Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[fexus]

You guys might not care about them; you guys might refuse to acknowledge them, but the powerlevels being iffy are a legitimate complaint.

The power levels are as iffy as half the series.

[ShadowWolf87]

Not the most accurate translation is the poor scans online but this is accurate enough. Kid didn't throw himself into fighting like Goku or Vegeta did, didn't particularly enjoy it. And there is indeed precedent for him not training during times of peace. It's in-character.

Folks gotta let that go.

While it is indeed in-character, it's about damn time he receives that character development that he has been needing since the Cell arc (and that when he gets close to receiving it, it's just tossed aside), as in that he actually takes on the mantle and puts his own desires to the side for the protection of the Earth. Training one hour per day won't make his life that difficult, would it? He's lazy.

Just now thought to ask; are there any comedic "Vegeta reaction faces" in this movie? Those are always fun (Movie 12 has a slew of them. BOG has a nice handful, and more that were in the mook that went unused).

We saw one in those movie pamphlets posted a while back of Vegeta arguing with Goku (possibly right after Goku kills Freeza).

But why would he need to? He was needed once, but now he's not. There's nothing wrong with him leaving fighting behind to have a normal life, especially with a family.

[AvatarReiko]

I have never really understood why people bash Gohan for not training. He does not have as much interest for fighting as Vegeta and Goku. He never has done. He says as much in his conversation with Cell. It is not something he enjoys. Piccolo even had point this to Goku. He only ever fought out of necessity or when compelled, and was repeatedly put in situations where he had to fight. When Cell and Buu were defeated, guess what he did? He stopped training to study. Gohan actually wanted to do something with his life by becoming a scholar, unlike Goku who is as thick as brick.

Whats more, Gohan now has a family to provide for, not like Goku would know anything about that, considering he up and leaves his whenever the opportunity to fight or get stronger presents itself. It is even stated by AT that Goku fights for selfish reasons. Gohan, unlike Goku, has actually got his priorities in order. And believe it or not, I caring for a baby takes a lot of time and dedication, especially in the first several months. So no. He is not lazy. Just a dedicated father.

While it is indeed in-character, it's about damn time he receives that character development that he has been needing since the Cell arc (and that when he gets close to receiving it, it's just tossed aside), as in that he actually takes on the mantle and puts his own desires to the side for the protection of the Earth. Training one hour per day won't make his life that difficult, would it? He's lazy.

Nothing to do with laziness at all. He doesn't train simply because he doesn't want to. Gohan is under no obligation to train. None whatsoever. He has a family to provide for now and that is where his priorities lies at the moment. Moreover, Gohan is so far behind Goku and Vegeta that training wouldn't even make a difference. If they cant handle it, then the world is over.

[BlackCatScott]

I would plead with people to not take them too seriously. I remember reading a hell of a lot of negative comments from fans about Battle of Gods and when I finally got the opportunity to watch it I loved it. I was like a giddy child on Christmas morning after watching it, yet I still seen loads of hate for it. I fully expect a similar feeling after watching Resurrection F, it's just about waiting to see it for myself - and until then, taking everything I hear with a pinch of salt.

[Marco Polo]

Guys this is Yahoo user ratings. I trust them as much as I trust GameFAQs user ratings for video games.

[EA575]

How many of those reviews are actually talking about the movie rather than power levels?

Like I said earlier, browsing through with Google Translate it seemed like half the negative reviews were "This wasn't like BOG" and the other half was "it's garbage; power levels don't make sense".

Looks like those reviews are basically was has been discussed to death in this thread. In other words, if one is expecting less humor and more action without being too critical on power levels, the movie is fine.

[TheGmGoken]

Guys this is Yahoo user ratings. I trust them as much as I trust GameFAQs user ratings for video games.

I don't know you. So how much do you trust GameFAQS?

[Doctor.]

You guys might not care about them; you guys might refuse to acknowledge them, but the powerlevels being iffy are a legitimate complaint.

The power levels are as iffy as half the series.

You don't have guys getting billions of times stronger in a ridiculously short amount of times in the series. This is the biggest power-jump in the series thus far and in a very short time-frame, with no coverage of the training yet whatsoever.
You don't have guys billions of times stronger than someone who would have been a threat in the early Namek arc having trouble with said individual in the series.
You don't have guys losing power-ups inexplicably in the series.
You don't have the Z-fighters having trouble to defeat beings weaker than Roshi in the series just because "there are a lot of them".
You don't have the fourth strongest being in the universe being taken down by a Zarbon level opponent (or weaker) just because he has his guard down in the series, when it has been established that when you reach a certain point of power, everyone beneath you is an ant that can't touch you.

For me personally, I can excuse most of these problems because they have some kind of explanation here or there, no matter how ridiculous it may be or how hard it may seem I'm reaching, but these are legitimate complaints and a problem against this film's storytelling. You can't simply brush off someone's opinion because they expect logic and consistency inside a series.

[Ajay]

More people take the time to rant than to praise. Do not take those reviews as indicative of the quality of the film.

Moreover, battle power continuity might be a legitimate complaint to some, but it does not and should not make or break a film.

Why we would take random Yahoo user reviews over well established fans' opinions is beyond me.

[EA575]

You guys might not care about them; you guys might refuse to acknowledge them, but the powerlevels being iffy are a legitimate complaint.

The power levels are as iffy as half the series.

You don't have guys getting billions of times stronger in a ridiculously short amount of times in the series.

Gohan. Buu arc.
Serously, why do people keep forgetting about this?

[TheGmGoken]

More people take the time to rant than to praise. Do not take those reviews as indicative of the quality of the film.

Moreover, battle power continuity might be a legitimate complaint to some, but it does not and should not make or break a film.

Why we would take random Yahoo user reviews over well established fans' opinions is beyond me.

What are "Well established fans"?.

[Marco Polo]

Guys this is Yahoo user ratings. I trust them as much as I trust GameFAQs user ratings for video games.

I don't know you. So how much do you trust GameFAQS?

I don't trust them at all. GameFAQs users are whiny and ridiculous.

[Doctor.]

Gohan. Buu arc.
Serously, why do people keep forgetting about this?

That was bad too, and most people seem to think so as well, lol.

Why we would take random Yahoo user reviews over well established fans' opinions is beyond me.

Why we would take anyone's opinion is beyond me.

[Big Momma]

Guys this is Yahoo user ratings. I trust them as much as I trust GameFAQs user ratings for video games.

I don't know you. So how much do you trust GameFAQS?

When people say things like that they are implying that they trust neither.

[fexus]

You don't have guys getting billions of times stronger in a ridiculously short amount of times in the series. This is the biggest power-jump in the series thus far and in a very short time-frame, with no coverage of the training yet whatsoever.
You don't have guys billions of times stronger than someone who would have been a threat in the early Namek arc having trouble with said individual in the series.
You don't have guys losing power-ups inexplicably in the series.
You don't have the Z-fighters having trouble to defeat beings weaker than Roshi in the series just because "there are a lot of them".
You don't have the fourth strongest being in the universe being taken down by a Zarbon level opponent (or weaker) just because he has his guard down in the series, when it has been established that when you reach a certain point of power, everyone beneath you is an ant that can't touch you.

For me personally, I can excuse most of these problems because they have some kind of explanation here or there, no matter how ridiculous it may be or how hard it may seem I'm reaching, but these are legitimate complaints and a problem against this film's storytelling. You can't simply brush off someone's opinion because they expect logic and consistency inside a series.

You do have guys get stronger in a short amount of time. If you think the amount they got stronger is the reason it's unreasonable, that's your problem.
It's because that threat was never stated to be at early Namek level. You said early Namek, if that means the bull guy, he was never stated to only be as strong as Zarbon. Maybe at the same rank as explained by kei17. If it means Freeza, that's because he trained.
They gave the reasons.
When and where did the Z-fighters have trouble? Is this ever stated? Is it because they don't just flick their finger and annihilate everyone?
The shot could be like the Kienzan where it could hurt people way above your powerlevel.

Is this all?

Gohan. Buu arc.
Serously, why do people keep forgetting about this?

That was bad too, and most people seem to think so as well, lol.

Does this mean that it isn't in the series?

[Marlowe89]

It's not. Both BoG & FnF show us that base Goku is almost as strong as Super Saiyan God, and Beerus even says that the decrease in power is insignificant, and it's shown in FnF that SSGSS is stronger than base with God power. Which means that SSGSS is stronger than SSG.

First of all, you're not replying to my most recent post to you, in which I show that both BoG and RoF indicate the opposite of what you're saying. Secondly, you're just repeating what you said in your previous post that was addressed to me.

So once again...

BoG never confirmed that. If if anything, it suggests the exact opposite - Goku wouldn't have relied on his Super Saiyan transformation after his absorption of Super Saiyan God if his base form was precisely on par with it, nor would he have absorbed Beerus' giant energy ball at the end of the movie by going back into SSG. The simple fact that he did those things in the first place is a direct indication that base Goku isn't quite as powerful as SSG Goku. Goku holding back in FnF only implies that SSGSS is stronger than himself in base, which is obvious to anyone remotely familiar with how the Super Saiyan transformations work; it doesn't automatically suggest that his base form would be just as powerful as his SSG transformation just because he absorbed a lot of its strength. In both the movie and limited manga for FnF, Goku even remarks that a casual attack from a half-asleep Beerus would have killed him during his training with Whis.

The only thing Toriyama ever confirms in his interview is that Goku wouldn't need SSG anymore because he'd previously absorbed its power. He never specifically says that base Goku is exactly as strong as SSG Goku, and that wouldn't be consistent with what we were shown in BoG anyhow. He needs Super Saiyan to draw out more of its power. I don't know how this could be any more apparent.

As it stands, you appear to be the only person here pretending that SSGSS is anything more than SS1 using SSG's power/ki. And that explanation is straight from Goku's mouth, word for word. It's not a literal fusion of two forms and was never implied to be anything of the sort. That notion is headcanon at best.

[Doctor.]

You do have guys get stronger in a short amount of time. If you think the amount they got stronger is the reason it's unreasonable, that's your problem.
It's because that threat was never stated to be at early Namek level. You said early Namek, if that means the bull guy he was never to be as strong as Zarbon. Maybe at the same rank as explained by kei17. If it means Freeza, that's because he trained.
They gave the reasons.
When and where did the Z-fighters have trouble? Is this ever stated? Is it because they don't just flick their finger and annihilate everyone?
The shot could be like the Kienzan where it could hurt people way above your powerlevel.

Is this all?

I'm not sure you read the last paragraph of what I posted, I don't have a problem with the power consistency in this film, for the most part. What I'm saying, however, is that when you're forced to come up with your own explanations to make them make sense, then you can't fault people for criticizing them. I'm not in the mood to discuss your counter-arguments to each one, nor was that my intention, my intention was simply to lay down the problems some people could have a problem with, and if you can't see why they could have a problem with those things, then the problem is yours my friend.

Does this mean that it isn't in the series?

No, but does this mean that just because something that is done badly in the movie is also present in the series, that it's excusable? No, bad writing is bad writing no matter where it's present.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

If we are tossing apples then according to IMDb this film is amazing:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3819668/

9.5/10!!

[Chuquita]

The reviews I'm looking forward to are the illustrated ones on pixiv. :3
Here's the F tag for reference: http://touch.pixiv.net/search.php?tag=% ... %E3%81%AEF

[fexus]

I'm not sure you read the last paragraph of what I posted, I don't have a problem with the power consistency in this film, for the most part. What I'm saying, however, is that when you're forced to come up with your own explanations to make them make sense, then you can't fault people for criticizing them. I'm not in the mood to discuss your counter-arguments to each one, nor was that my intention, my intention was simply to lay down the problems some people could have a problem with, and if you can't see why they could have a problem with those things, then the problem is yours my friend.

Does this mean that it isn't in the series?

No, but does this mean that just because something that is done badly in the movie is also present in the series, that it's excusable? No, bad writing is bad writing no matter where it's present.

It's only bad writing if it never state the reason as to why Freeza powered up. But this does state the reason. If you don't agree, please state the reason as to why it's bad writing. Sure it isn't good writing but it really isn't anywhere near bad writing.