Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Blade]

And how many months did it take Gotenks to achieve Super Saiyan 3 in the Room of Spirit and Time?

Why is it hard to fathom that a being who was born so powerful that they could become galactic overload without ever training could achieve God-level strength in four months, whereas it's perfectly viable that two kids could achieve a level of strength, without guidance, that only one of their fathers, already a martial arts master, could only achieve himself through years of training?

[vegitot]

If we are tossing apples then according to IMDb this film is amazing:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3819668/

9.5/10!!

from 1 user?

[Birusu16]

I can definitely see why people would be greatly disappointed with this film. It does nothing to expand on the huge cliffhanger that BoGs set. RoF is pretty much a fanservice movie. And don't get me wrong as that's not entirely a bad thing, but when you have such a huge cliffhanger like 11 more universes existing in DB and then do absolutely nothing to build on that in a sequel it's going to anger a lot of fans.

I'm not very happy that nothing came of it either.

There was no cliffhanger in BoG at all.

Cliffhanger was probably the wrong word. More like BoGs left us with a huge expanding plot that could be explored and nothing came of it in RoF, which is pretty disappointing.

[fadeddreams5]

TL;DR - People tend to excuse Gohan's modern day pansy ass by saying he never liked to fight and is now too busy to train. The former is not true, and the latter is not a valid excuse from a writing point of view... at all. Gohan can be like Clark Kent (scholar) / Superman (Ultimate/Mystic) if they wanted him to.

Actually...

Spoiler:

Not the most accurate translation is the poor scans online but this is accurate enough. Kid didn't throw himself into fighting like Goku or Vegeta did, didn't particularly enjoy it. And there is indeed precedent for him not training during times of peace. It's in-character.

Folks gotta let that go.

He doesn't claim he doesn't like fighting. He says he doesn't enjoy fighting like Goku does. That is, unless that really is a poor translation and he directly says he generally dislikes fighting in the original. From what I saw in the series, Gohan does enjoy it, and this is shown prior to this and after it too. It's just not his passion either. He fights because he needs to, and as a sport, not to maximize his capabilities as a fighter and be/fight the best.

I do admit, my vision may be a tad skewed due to some Toei movies and filler , where he sneaks out from studying, but I always felt that was in-character too. =P

[fexus]

I can definitely see why people would be greatly disappointed with this film. It does nothing to expand on the huge cliffhanger that BoGs set. RoF is pretty much a fanservice movie. And don't get me wrong as that's not entirely a bad thing, but when you have such a huge cliffhanger like 11 more universes existing in DB and then do absolutely nothing to build on that in a sequel it's going to anger a lot of fans.

I'm not very happy that nothing came of it either.

There was no cliffhanger in BoG at all.

Cliffhanger was probably the wrong word. More like BoGs left us with a huge expanding plot that could be explored and nothing came of it in RoF, which is pretty disappointing.

But we did get more about SSJ God and Beerus and Whis.

[Birusu16]

But we did get more about SSJ God and Beerus and Whis.

Not a whole lot. The point is that why mention DB having a multiverse if you're not going to expand on it in anyway in the following movies?

[Baggie_Saiyan]

If we are tossing apples then according to IMDb this film is amazing:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3819668/

9.5/10!!

from 1 user?

150 actually.

I can definitely see why people would be greatly disappointed with this film. It does nothing to expand on the huge cliffhanger that BoGs set. RoF is pretty much a fanservice movie. And don't get me wrong as that's not entirely a bad thing, but when you have such a huge cliffhanger like 11 more universes existing in DB and then do absolutely nothing to build on that in a sequel it's going to anger a lot of fans.

I'm not very happy that nothing came of it either.

There was no cliffhanger in BoG at all.

Cliffhanger was probably the wrong word. More like BoGs left us with a huge expanding plot that could be explored and nothing came of it in RoF, which is pretty disappointing.

Not really. It's not like they promised to visit or explore these universes. If Beerus had said something like next time we meet we shall explore these, then yeah I can understand being disappointed. If there isn't a good story to tell then it shouldn't be told. I'd much rather they take their time with that whole 12 universe stuff.

[fexus]

But we did get more about SSJ God and Beerus and Whis.

Not a whole lot. The point is that why mention DB having a multiverse if you're not going to expand on it in anyway in the following movies?

Why mention it? If you saw BoG, in context, they mention other universe just to show that there are more stronger people than Goku.

[Birusu16]

Not really. It's not like they promised to visit or explore these universes. If Beerus had said something like next time we meet we shall explore these, then yeah I can understand being disappointed. If there isn't a good story to tell then it shouldn't be told. I'd much rather they take their time with that whole 12 universe stuff.

You can take your time with it and still somewhat expand on it in the following movie. This movie did none of that. We got no mention of it. No implications of it. Nothing. It's like it was just mentioned in BoGs just for the sake of mentioning it.

That IMO and probably in the eyes of many others is disappointing. It may not be for you, but it certainly is for me.

Why mention it? If you saw BoG, in context, they mention other universe just to show that there are more stronger people than Goku.

That in and of itself was already proven with Whis and Beerus.

[fadeddreams5]

And how many months did it take Gotenks to achieve Super Saiyan 3 in the Room of Spirit and Time?

Why is it hard to fathom that a being who was born so powerful that they could become galactic overload without ever training could achieve God-level strength in four months, whereas it's perfectly viable that two kids could achieve a level of strength, without guidance, that only one of their fathers, already a martial arts master, could only achieve himself through years of training?

Well, you can make the argument that Gotenks is a fused being. Double the ki output may facilitate power increases. Besides, even a super fast SSJ3 transformation pales in comparison to a being that could get one-shotted by Goten and Trunks, individually, achieving a level of strength comparable to a SSJG in 4 months. Frieza, someone who was never previously shown to have any special talents (e.g. zenkai) besides raw power, closed the gap between the androids, Cell, SSJ2 Gohan, Dabura, SSJ3 Goku, Gotenks, Super Buu, Buuhan, Vegito, and SSJG Goku in 4 months. SSJG, by the way, being a mode that Goku admitted he could likely never achieve on his own in his lifetime.

I mean, anybody can accept him becoming stronger. It's that number--4 months--that bothers people. Why not have him revived immediately after the Buu arc and have him train for 5 years? That itsy bitsy number is all that annoys people.

[NavonWise]

TL;DR - People tend to excuse Gohan's modern day pansy ass by saying he never liked to fight and is now too busy to train. The former is not true, and the latter is not a valid excuse from a writing point of view... at all. Gohan can be like Clark Kent (scholar) / Superman (Ultimate/Mystic) if they wanted him to.

Actually...

Spoiler:

Not the most accurate translation is the poor scans online but this is accurate enough. Kid didn't throw himself into fighting like Goku or Vegeta did, didn't particularly enjoy it. And there is indeed precedent for him not training during times of peace. It's in-character.

Folks gotta let that go.

He doesn't claim he doesn't like fighting. He says he doesn't enjoy fighting like Goku does. That is, unless that really is a poor translation and he directly says he generally dislikes fighting in the original. From what I saw in the series, Gohan does enjoy it, and this is shown prior to this and after it too. It's just not his passion either. He fights because he needs to, and as a sport, not to maximize his capabilities as a fighter and be/fight the best.

I do admit, my vision may be a tad skewed due to some Toei movies and filler , where he sneaks out from studying, but I always felt that was in-character too. =P

Yeah your vision is skewed due to filler. Gohan never sneaks out to train, and like he says, he doesn't enjoy it like his father which is why we get 7 years of Gohan not training. He's not interested in it, that's just how he is.

[AvatarReiko]

It's not that Gohan didn't want to fight; it's that he knew he had to be the one to KILL Cell, which was a responsibility he didn't want to bear or saw the need to since a) he had no connections with the creature and b) Cell could just stop being evil and call it a day.

Except Gohan flat-out told Cell that he had absolutely no desire to fight. It's never been his thing and I'm not sure why a lot of people pretend as if it was.

Which is why he later told Goku and Vegeta to fight Dabura for him instead of him taking a turn, and went into early retirement as a Super Hero....oh wait...

Thats nice. But at the end of the day, he is under no obligation to train and now has a family to attend to, his new born daughter in particular.

[fexus]

Why mention it? If you saw BoG, in context, they mention other universe just to show that there are more stronger people than Goku.

That in and of itself was already proven with Whis and Beerus.

There are more stronger people than Goku. Whis and Beerus is a sure fact because they are already introduced but this statement was to show that he still have a long way to go. It's the usual, "There are a lot more people stronger than me in this world" line.

[NavonWise]

And how many months did it take Gotenks to achieve Super Saiyan 3 in the Room of Spirit and Time?

Why is it hard to fathom that a being who was born so powerful that they could become galactic overload without ever training could achieve God-level strength in four months, whereas it's perfectly viable that two kids could achieve a level of strength, without guidance, that only one of their fathers, already a martial arts master, could only achieve himself through years of training?

Well, you can make the argument that Gotenks is a fused being. Double the ki output may facilitate power increases. Besides, even a super fast SSJ3 transformation pales in comparison to a being that could get one-shotted by Goten and Trunks, individually, achieving a level of strength comparable to a SSJG in 4 months. Freeza, someone who was never previously shown to have any special talents (e.g. zenkai) besides raw power, closed the gap between the androids, Cell, SSJ2 Gohan, Dabura, SSJ3 Goku, Gotenks, Super Buu, Buuhan, Vegito, and SSJG Goku in 4 months. SSJG, by the way, being a mode that Goku admitted he could likely never achieve on his own in his lifetime.

I mean, anybody can accept him becoming stronger. It's that number--4 months--that bothers people. Why not have him revived immediately after the Buu arc and have him train for 5 years? That itsy bitsy number is all that annoys people.

Because people are being stupid really. Like I keep repeating, it didn't bother them when Gohan closes the power gap between himself and Goku in just one year, but get angry that Freeza, a muted life form that was born with the power level of WAY over 1 million with a tremendous amount of hidden potential gets a power up in 4 months?

[dbzfan7]

Goku himself said he could never reach the realm of the gods. Without the power up he'd eternally pale to the likes of Beerus and Whis. Freeza does it in 4 month's.

Yeah your vision is skewed due to filler. Gohan never sneaks out to train, and like he says, he doesn't enjoy it like his father which is why we get 7 years of Gohan not training. He's not interested in it, that's just how he is.

Agreed. Problem is instead of just letting him just be a non-fighter, they have the need to keep bringing him into fights to job and then cheer. If Gohan is retiring, let him retire already and be done with him.

Thats nice. But at the end of the day, he is under no obligation to train and now has a family to attend to, his new born daughter in particular. Life is not all about fighting. He is not Goku.

And what happened? He nearly died because of it. Life isn't always fair. He's regressed back into the child who has to count on Goku to save him time and time again. Goku is protecting his family, not him.

[NavonWise]

Goku himself said he could never reach the realm of the gods. Without the power up he'd eternally pale to the likes of Beerus and Whis. Freeza does it in 4 month's.

Yeah your vision is skewed due to filler. Gohan never sneaks out to train, and like he says, he doesn't enjoy it like his father which is why we get 7 years of Gohan not training. He's not interested in it, that's just how he is.

Agreed. Problem is instead of just letting him just be a non-fighter, they have the need to keep bringing him into fights to job and then cheer. If Gohan is retiring, let him retire already and be done with him.

Thats nice. But at the end of the day, he is under no obligation to train and now has a family to attend to, his new born daughter in particular. Life is not all about fighting. He is not Goku.

And what happened? He nearly died because of it. Life isn't always fair. He's regressed back into the child who has to count on Goku to save him time and time again.

Gohan won't sit there and watch innocent people get hurt either, if there's something he can do, he will do it.

[fadeddreams5]

Yeah your vision is skewed due to filler. Gohan never sneaks out to train, and like he says, he doesn't enjoy it like his father which is why we get 7 years of Gohan not training. He's not interested in it, that's just how he is.

Well, he sort of willingly went off to train against the androids with Goku and Piccolo. Never showed any signs of not wanting to. Annnd... he sort of DID push himself up and beyond his capabilities while training with his dad in the ROSAT, so there's that. Filler just borrowed from what was pretty much implied.

Him not training for 7 years was bad enough. Becoming a pansy later on after redeeming himself is just awful.

Because people are being stupid really. Like I keep repeating, it didn't bother them when Gohan closes the power gap between himself and Goku in just one year, but get angry that Freeza, a muted life form that was born with the power level of WAY over 1 million with a tremendous amount of hidden potential gets a power up in 4 months?

Gohan's potential was foreshadowed and demonstrated from the minute he was introduced. People EXPECTED that at one point or another.

Frieza was never shown to have any talents, and was NEVER referred to as a mutated being. Toriyama pulled that out of a hat years after the manga finished. But like I said, it isn't implausible for him to achieve great power. It's just how contrived it feels in this movie. Not that it should keep anyone from enjoying it.

[Birusu16]

Why mention it? If you saw BoG, in context, they mention other universe just to show that there are more stronger people than Goku.

That in and of itself was already proven with Whis and Beerus.

There are more stronger people than Goku. Whis and Beerus is a sure fact because they are already introduced but this statement was to show that he still have a long way to go. It's the usual, "There are a lot more people stronger than me in this world" line.

Goku had a long way to go just to measure up and surpass Beerus and Whis as of BoGs. Both of those characters were already an example of the "There's always someone out there stronger than you" trope.

The multiverse concept is a huge element in any verse, so to bring it up and just completely ignore it in the following film is quite a disappointment. If others don't agree then fine, but that's just my view on the matter.

[SansrivaaL]

And how many months did it take Gotenks to achieve Super Saiyan 3 in the Room of Spirit and Time?

Why is it hard to fathom that a being who was born so powerful that they could become galactic overload without ever training could achieve God-level strength in four months, whereas it's perfectly viable that two kids could achieve a level of strength, without guidance, that only one of their fathers, already a martial arts master, could only achieve himself through years of training?

Well, you can make the argument that Gotenks is a fused being. Double the ki output may facilitate power increases. Besides, even a super fast SSJ3 transformation pales in comparison to a being that could get one-shotted by Goten and Trunks, individually, achieving a level of strength comparable to a SSJG in 4 months. Freeza, someone who was never previously shown to have any special talents (e.g. zenkai) besides raw power, closed the gap between the androids, Cell, SSJ2 Gohan, Dabura, SSJ3 Goku, Gotenks, Super Buu, Buuhan, Vegito, and SSJG Goku in 4 months. SSJG, by the way, being a mode that Goku admitted he could likely never achieve on his own in his lifetime.

I mean, anybody can accept him becoming stronger. It's that number--4 months--that bothers people. Why not have him revived immediately after the Buu arc and have him train for 5 years? That itsy bitsy number is all that annoys people.

Because people are being stupid really. Like I keep repeating, it didn't bother them when Gohan closes the power gap between himself and Goku in just one year, but get angry that Freeza, a muted life form that was born with the power level of WAY over 1 million with a tremendous amount of hidden potential gets a power up in 4 months?

Btw I think Freeza trained for 5months or so since Piccolo mentioned Shenron's appearance as ''Hantoshi'' = ''half a year'' unless it took Freeza's spaceship 2mos to go to some weird planet to train in.

[NavonWise]

Well, he sort of willingly went off to train against the androids with Goku and Piccolo. Never showed any signs of not wanting to. Annnd... he sort of DID push himself up and beyond his capabilities while training with his dad in the ROSAT, so there's that. Filler just borrowed from what was pretty much implied.

Him not training for 7 years was bad enough. Becoming a pansy later on after redeeming himself is just awful.

Because he felt had to do it; the Earth is in danger so might as well try to get stronger. But it's not like he enjoyed it; when there's peace, he doesn't train because it's not his hobby to do so, when there is danger before hand, he will train to do what he can and help.