Marlowe89 wrote:dbzfan7 wrote:I do agree with you that he isn't a fighter, nor interested. My issue is they can't let Gohan have either way. He can't retire and remove himself from battle because he's not interested, nor actually get stronger because he still keeps getting into fights anyways. We can't have a retired non fighter Gohan, nor a Gohan who grows. Instead we are left with a throw away character used to build up tension for the plot.
That's where we differ. You see him as a throw-away character, whereas I think that the notion of him "retiring" from combat altogether would
by definition make him a throw-away character. I see his portrayal in RoF as a natural consequence of Gohan's lifestyle and preferences when a lot of peaceful time on Earth has passed before a new baddie comes along, and I think it's entertaining in a sense. What I love about Gohan is his self-awareness, and I think that RoF in particular nails it.
What's the point of a consequence if nothing is learned from it? Him retiring is not making him a throw away character. Did that make Kame Sennin a throw away character when he retired? It just means his time is up and he's done fighting. Let him stop fighting if he's retired. Let him be a non fighter character.
fexus wrote:Wait, what you're saying is that he should stop trying to save people. He shouldn't fight and just stay at home and take care of his family when the earth is in danger just so that he doesn't job. That's it. You only don't want him to job. You don't care for his character or even try to bring it up. You only don't want him to job.
But when is jobbing a bad thing. It's just to show how strong the enemy has become and it wouldn't even degrade his character when you know that he jobs to the strongest villain.
So is Yamcha a horrible person for not constantly saving people when he retired? Is Kame Sennin a horrible person for not saving people when he retired? Hell I can flip this. He shouldn't just skip out on training when the earth is in danger. Goku wasn't around and he nearly died since he kept slacking off. What happens if Goku and Vegeta are training again with Whis and someone else shows up? Jobbing is a bad thing when it's constantly the only thing a character gets. If a characters role is too constantly lose to build up someone else, then that's a pretty shit role. When has jobbing ever made a character who loses look good when their entire role is to constantly lose over and over? It doesn't. Super Saiyan God is something he doesn't even have to train for. He's always caught up and masters abilities faster than Goku so I doubt he couldn't do it.
AvatarReiko wrote:He would have nearly died regardless of wether he had trained or not.
No if he trained and even joined on the free ritual power up, he wouldn't have. Super Saiyan God would already have allowed him to wreck Freeza before his transformation.
He is not relying on Goku anymore than the next person.
Again, not much time to train when you have a family took after. Believe or not, caring for child in the first several months can be very time consuming and stressful. Gohan has got other things to be worrying about than fighting. Unlike Goku, his family is his first priority. He is not going to up leave Videl for her to carry all the weight does extra-extracurricular activities. Besides, it is not like he is the planet's last and only line of defence
His family is related to one of the wealthiest men in the world. They are set for life. Gohan doesn't have to disappear for a long time to get relevant. He won't be gone for years and years. Name what he even does for his family, cause that's not explained either. Super Saiyan God would allow him to get real strong fast, without even taking a long time.
Fair enough. But going by that that logic, anyone not named Goku, Piccolo and Vegeta needs to retire since no one other than them train to get stronger.
They did. Krillin doesn't train and is an officer now, Yamcha has retired, and Tenshinhan may be the only human who still trains.
Even if he did train, what difference would it have made? Piccolo presumably trains and he still struggled with the Red Bull. Moreover, Its no like he is going to be able to compete with Freeza anyway do its moot. Besides, he dispatched the Red Bull fairly easily when he went SSJ. So I do not know what all the fuss is about.
He was already on Vegeta's level if not higher before the boost. You have a free happy fun time circle power up that will instantly boost him to god level. He learns and catches up to everyone's level pretty much every saga. Super Saiyan God is that broken. After usage he'd have been more than enough for Pre Golden Freeza.
Yes, because he was the Earth's last line of defence. There was no one else but him.
Didn't stop him from training for previous threats before while Goku was around. Videl is not some helpless damsel who can't provide. Gohan doesn't have to abandon his family to train. He can do both. Super Saiyan God pretty much gives him this power in a ridiculously short time frame.
