Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[FortuneSSJ]

So, how are the tickets selling?!

[buutenks]

So basically gohan became kinda useless hehe.What a way to write him off.

If you call being useless mollywhopping all of Freeza's forces then yeah very useless.

Ye he is useless,he got one shotted by first form freeza a villain.Thats up there with yamcha.

Also,gohan in 7 years could still go ssj2 just fine,and didnt lose much power,yes he was weaker but not astronomically.So i dont see how in 1 year he went from ultimate to not knowing if he can go ssj.

[SRB2Unleashed]

Since other countries seem to be getting this within the next 1-3 months, when do you think North America will get a theatrical release? June? July? August like Battle of Gods?

My impatience really wants a dub trailer to drop, if they even started yet.

[fexus]

That's why I add the "tell them of incoming threat.". It's like if the force field isn't strong enough, it will tell the Z-fighters where the threat are and evacuate people near there. Again I never said it is a sin, it is bad or anything about the character. I'm just saying that it wouldn't be in character for Gohan. Sure you could add a reason like, Gohan has a stomach ache, he has a fever, his dog died but that would likely make people more mad.

They can sense a strong energy if it's on it's way. They have Kai's and Kaioshin to tell them if a really powerful threat emerges. How come 18 who is stronger than Krillin stays home to protect the family, but Gohan can't stay home to protect his own family? Why can't he just do that so then more time can go to Freeza or the gods or the lesser fortunate characters than Gohan?

His raw potential has already been fully reached. There's no more raw potential anymore. Just reached potential.

So did Goku and Vegeta as after the Cell arc they hardly got stronger beyond new forms. SSJ God would open up a whole new world.

Goten and Trunks also have to fusion to achieve that which grants him an enormous amount of Ki. You know why it takes Goku so long? Because he have to figure it out first. He's the one that founded SSJ3.

Vegeta is as powerful as Goku and never reaches SSJ3. Goten and Trunks are PRODIGIES. They reached it because they are that talented. They are listed as SUPER ULTRA PRODIGIES. Goku didn't even teach them SSJ3, they did that themselves.

I'm just saying there's a lot of ways so that they could be more prepared but they didn't do that. You know what? Aren't 18 reason already explained and isn't it in character? Your right but alas they didn't do that in this movie and made him job just to show how strong Freeza is. Finally, as a Krillin fan I hate how people treat Krillin badly so it's nice that it's Gohan turn to job. So, not only that Gohan jobbing is justifiable but I also like it.

It was never stated that they already reached their peaks. Stop making things up. BoG proves that Vegeta and Goku haven't reached their full potential yet.

That's because Vegeta never had the chance to train when his Ki is basically unlimited like Gotenks and when Goku is in the afterlife. Gotenks only reached it because he knows about it when Goku transformed. If Goku didn't transform, they would really likely wouldn't even know what a SSJ3.

I'm done with this. It seems like people just don't want Gohan to job and would likely not get mad if Gohan suddenly gets SSGSS 5 and beats the shit out of a universe destroying time controlling monster just because.

[dbzfan7]

They play fought and never took things seriously. Even later they aren't interested in fighting either as shown by End of Z. Gohan and the boys have shown time and time again they can catch up and get stronger, or learn new forms in record time. I find the defense frankly laughable as people want characters to remain weak or unable to affect plot in any way. I find it laughable everyone mocks GT, and yet were right back there again. This time everyone but Goku and Vegeta are useless. We have gods but they aren't really ones who are gonna keep helping.

Your definition of "play fighting" is very, very wanting if you think that two half-Saiyans that exerted themselves enough to obtain the Super Saiyan transformation at an even younger age than Gohan "never took things seriously". See, there's this central point that you appear to keep missing - GOHAN IS RUSTY. This whole "prodigy" argument is extremely weak because it ignores the fact that Gohan himself ACTUALLY became weaker over the years as a direct result of his own priorities. If he demonstrably lacks strength and combat abilities in comparison to his earlier self and if he wasn't even confident that he could still transform into SSJ1 alone, there's very little reason to think that he can just achieve his God mode in the same way that Goku did in a short period of time. He could probably do it eventually, but again, it would take far more time than he's willing to dedicate. Plain and simple.

Also, he did affect the plot. You can choose to ignore his efforts against Freeza's army as much as you want, but it's not magically going to erase that part from existence.

Actually he didn't become weaker. He only couldn't tap into his hidden power with rage. Rustier yes, but weaker no. Also Krillin didn't train either during those 7 years, but you hear nothing about him. It even says so in the guides. My point is the half breeds always shown they can catch up and adapt to things faster than the full bloods. They always have. So yes Gohan and the boys could get God Form. There's no way it'd take forever considering their track records. It's only argued against so there's an excuse for them to be nothing.

No he didn't. The army thing was pointless. Even Freeza said so as he knew the result before sending them out. We could easily have just cut all that useless fighting for more development for Freeza and the gods, and the movie would be better of with it. Instead have Goku teleport back once Freeza arrives, and we lose nothing important at all.

I'm just saying there's a lot of ways so that they could be more prepared but they didn't do that. You know what? Aren't 18 reason already explained and isn't it in character? Your right but alas they didn't do that in this movie and made him job just to show how strong Freeza is. Finally, as a Krillin fan I hate how people treat Krillin badly so it's nice that it's Gohan turn to job. So, not only that Gohan jobbing is justifiable but I also like it.

Gohan losing isn't my big problem, it's that he never learns from the loss. If he trained before the fight, then lost. I'd be happy. He learned that threats are always coming, so he takes time to prepare. He doesn't throw away his family, but takes some time to care. Then the movie plays out the same, but this time Gohan had already learned his lesson. He tried his best, but it wasn't enough. Instead no he didn't learn shit. He just repeated his Boo saga mistake again.

It was never stated that they already reached their peaks. Stop making things up. BoG proves that Vegeta and Goku haven't reached their full potential yet.

That's because Vegeta never had the chance to train when his Ki is basically unlimited like Gotenks and when Goku is in the afterlife. Gotenks only reached it because he knows about it when Goku transformed. If Goku didn't transform, they would really likely wouldn't even know what a SSJ3.

I'm done with this. It seems like people just don't want Gohan to job and would likely not get mad if Gohan suddenly gets SSGSS 5 and beats the shit out of a universe destroying time controlling monster just because.

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Goku and Vegeta after 7 years of training are still comparable to SSJ2 Gohan. That means they didn't get much stronger without transformations. They were still around the top tier of the Cell games. Gotenks is a fusion of TWO SUPER PRODIGIES. Goten and Trunks alone were extremely talented, and now two super talented folk fused. Also Goku saw two Metamorians show him the fusion dance which took him a lot longer to understand, and yet Goten and Trunks learn it in a much shorter time.

I want Gohan to learn his lesson. He doesn't have to be the strongest to do that. In GT it's stated he trains according to guides, so there he actually put some effort into protecting people. He hasn't changed since his Boo saga self. He doesn't even care to get strong to protect his own family as he counts on Goku to do that for him. He'll do what he can with his current power, but it's really Goku protecting his family for him. If my family was in danger and I needed to protect them, I'd hit the gym and take Martial Arts classes. I don't like working out or doing that, but if my family will always some day be a target, I'd prepare. I'd count on my other stronger family members, but I'd damn well contribute and at least try to improve as they can't always watch over me.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

So, how are the tickets selling?!

We have a thread for that. Looks like it's doing well and on track to selling better than Battle of Gods did.

[AvatarReiko]

No if he trained and even joined on the free ritual power up, he wouldn't have

Fair point. But AT clearly had other plans. Perhaps he did not want it to be a SSJ God bargain sale. Moreover, you are making the assumption that Gohan would even be able retain the god power and absorb, which of course is speculation.

His family is related to one of the wealthiest men in the world. They are set for life.

I am not talking about financially. Gohan, as a father, will be busy helping Videl raise Pan for the first several months. Looking after a newborn is hard work and mentally taxing. Not much time for anything else.

He won't be gone for years and years.

Goku says hi

They did. Krillin doesn't train and is an officer now, Yamcha has retired, and Tenshinhan may be the only human who still trains.

So whats the issue then? They all participated in the fight, but its a problem for Gohan? He one shotted that Shisami dude who gave Piccolo trouble. His only crime it would seem is that he was one shotted by a character vastly stronger than SSJ Vegetto.

Didn't stop him from training for previous threats before while Goku was around.

Goku is dead in the future timeline along with all the other Z-senshu. That Gohan was the only one left that could opposed 17 & 18, who were both rampaging. As I said, he was Earth's last line of defence and was compelled to fight them.

Videl is not some helpless damsel who can't provide. Gohan doesn't have to abandon his family to train. He can do both.

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Whoever said she was some helpless damsel? What I am saying is that there is very little time to engage in extra curricular activities when you have just had a child. Pan is Gohan's priority at the moment and he will be busy helping Videl out with the workload. That is what he is focused on at this point in time.

[dbzfan7]

Fair point. But AT clearly had other plans. Perhaps he did not want it to be a SSJ God bargain sale. You also making the assumption that Gohan would even be able retain the god power and absorb, which of course is speculation.

So the alternative is to have 2 useful figures, and a bunch of people to simply watch them be awesome. Oh yeah...so much better. My assumption is based on previous facts of the half breeds always learning and adapting faster than Goku and Vegeta. Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan 3, Fusion, simply catching up in power, they've always done this every time. Why would God form suddenly be different?

I am not talking about finically. Gohan, as a father, will be busy helping Videl raise Pan for the first several months. Looking after a newborn is hard work and mentally taxing. Not much time for anything else.

I've been there during that process considering my two baby half brothers. Gohan doesn't need to spend 24/7 every day around Pan. There isn't gonna be much of a bright future for Pan if threats keep on coming, and her daddy dies cause he wasn't ready. Almost did in this movie.

Goku digress

Gohan is superior when it comes to gaining power, he doesn't even have to be as strong as those two. To simply try and put some time in would show he's learned. GT Gohan learned this fact and at least trained enough to keep his power.

As I mentioned above, he will be helping Videl raise Pan.

That isn't a 24/7 job. I've been there during this process. There's many work arounds and ways to do both. My father and I have done this.

So whats the issue then? They all participated in the fight, but its a problem for Gohan? He one shotted that Shisami dude who gave Piccolo trouble. His only crime it would seem is that he was one shotted by a character vastly stronger than SSJ Vegetto.

His crime is he repeatedly falls for the Boo saga mistake again and again. He was criticized for it then, and still is now. Gohan and the boys are the only one's capable of getting super powerful. Yet daddy will solve all their problems. What happens when the next bad guy shows up, they'll be useless again.

Goku is dead in the future timeline along with all the other Z-senshu. That Gohan was the only one left that could opposed 17 & 18, who were both rampaging. As I said, he was Earth's last line of defence and was compelled to fight them.

And that's the fucking consequence because he doesn't train. People die. He squanders potential and people die. Hell if he didn't commit suicide like an idiot, he could have gone back in time with Trunks. This can and may happen again because he squanders his potential that surpasses even Goku himself.

Whoever said she was some helpless damsel? What I am saying is that there is very little time to engage in extra curricular activities when you have just had a child. Pan is Gohan's priority at the moment and he will be busy helping Videl out with the weight load. Thats what he is focused on at this point in time.

And I've been there. You don't need Gohan 24/7 to handle this. Videl is capable of watching Pan with Gohan helping, but still taking time to preserve a future for them. My father does the same thing with both his new kids, and he has plenty of time for several other things to outside of work. You don't need daddy around 24/7 to raise a child. You don't need both mommy and daddy 24/7 to raise a child.

[FortuneSSJ]

-About Gohan becoming God-
I don't want it. I'm all for bringing back Gohan and the rest to the frontlines. But not following the God road for the half-saiyans.
I feel like SSJG should be dealed different than SSJ was and made it only unlockable for pure saiyans. The ones directly connected to Planet Vegeta. Make it special.

My concept idea would be: Any Saiyan can join the ritual but, only pure saiyans can successfully unlock the form.
I would like Toriyama to go this way.

Piccolo, in other hand, I wouldn't mind If he just found a God connected to the namekian race, to help him climb higher.

So, how are the tickets selling?!

We have a thread for that. Looks like it's doing well and on track to selling better than Battle of Gods did.

Thanks, I will follow that.

[buutenks]

I doubt much thought was put in it.Toriyama and funi wanted goku to be the top man and apparently vegeta a little,they had no interest in keeping gohan and the rest up to speed so they write them off with well hes busy doing this or that or what not.

This happens everywhere in fiction,dbz is no different.It would have been if it would have not continued with the movies,but seems not.

[dbzfan7]

This happens everywhere in fiction,dbz is no different.It would have been if it would have not continued with the movies,but seems not.

I agree. This is not the first series to do this. My shock is people are ok with that. They're ok with Gohan, Piccolo, Vegeta (for a while), Krillin, Tenshinhan, and the others just becoming more and more irrelevant. So much so that the only moments they get, are beating up people much weaker than them. The manga shifted protagonists and power constantly. Imagine if the entire manga had Goku the strongest, and Vegeta being second strongest. No one else ever caught up.

Seriously imagine if Goku was always the strongest protagonist or the only one who could push the plot every time. Imagine if Piccolo came back on namek, only to have Freeza beat him down in his second form anyways. Imagine if Vegeta went to fight Semi Perfect Cell only to lose. It's hard to imagine Piccolo was once the strongest at a point and the only one who could do something. Imagine if on Trunks debut he had his butt kicked and Goku had to save him, before he talked about the future.

If Freeza can pull this power out of his ass, then we can have more relevant characters become powerful too. People should honestly shut up about GT since we're seeing the same stuff here, but with characters feeling more like themselves. Stat wise and useful wise, it's the same damn thing.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

These are movies, not a manga arcs though and don't allow for the same luxuries. We already have people bitching that Toriyama is writing these films with manga pacing. Trying to shift the power dynamic to multiple people, especially within a single film, is really going to just make things worse IMO.

[buutenks]

This happens everywhere in fiction,dbz is no different.It would have been if it would have not continued with the movies,but seems not.

I agree. This is not the first series to do this. My shock is people are ok with that. They're ok with Gohan, Piccolo, Vegeta (for a while), Krillin, Tenshinhan, and the others just becoming more and more irrelevant. So much so that the only moments they get, are beating up people much weaker than them. The manga shifted protagonists and power constantly. Imagine if the entire manga had Goku the strongest, and Vegeta being second strongest. No one else ever caught up.

Seriously imagine if Goku was always the strongest protagonist or the only one who could push the plot every time. Imagine if Piccolo came back on namek, only to have Freeza beat him down in his second form anyways. Imagine if Vegeta went to fight Semi Perfect Cell only to lose. It's hard to imagine Piccolo was once the strongest at a point and the only one who could do something. Imagine if on Trunks debut he had his butt kicked and Goku had to save him, before he talked about the future.

If Freeza can pull this power out of his ass, then we can have more relevant characters become powerful too. People should honestly shut up about GT since we're seeing the same stuff here, but with characters feeling more like themselves. Stat wise and useful wise, it's the same damn thing.

You know,i bet if this whole bog and rof thing would have been a manga things would have been so much different.Due to more time to explain things and a chance for other characters to power up.

I myself never liked gohan slacking off,i mean he has so much power and he wastes it on studying.

As for being a productive member of society,eh there r billions of people in dbz who are productive members of society so i doubt they'd give a rats ass if there will be one more,its not like gohan is bulma;s father who revolutionized the dbz world with his capsule technology.

Basically gohan just stops training in hopes nothing stronger than him comes.He will never learn apparently.

He;s actually worse than freeza,since atleast freeza went and exterminated what he thought was a threat to his safety and the safety of his empire.He didnt go oh i hope these saiyans wont surpass me one day

[dbzfan7]

These are movies, not a manga arcs though and don't allow for the same luxuries. We already have people bitching that Toriyama is writing these films with manga pacing. Trying to shift the power dynamic to multiple people, especially within a single film, is really going to just make things worse IMO.

Not in the same movie no we don't do that, that's where the seeds of change take effect for next time. Have growth happen over the course of the movies. Have changes occur. Freeza abruptly got uber strong so anyone probably could too. Introduce another god or another character who can help accomplish this. Have Piccolo join Goku and Vegeta with training from Whis. Do something. Instead we're forever relegated to the same formula. Here are the padding folk. Here's the enemy. Enemy beats up or scares padding folk. Goku and Vegeta (Til he might get axed too) fight bad guy. Padding folk cheer. Ending varies or Goku wins. Rinse and repeat in another 2 years.

You know,i bet if this whole bog and rof thing would have been a manga things would have been so much different.Due to more time to explain things and a chance for other characters to power up.

I myself never liked gohan slacking off,i mean he has so much power and he wastes it on studying.

As for being a productive member of society,eh there r billions of people in dbz who are productive members of society so i doubt they'd give a rats ass if there will be one more,its not like gohan is bulma;s father who revolutionized the dbz world with his capsule technology.

Basically gohan just stops training in hopes nothing stronger than him comes.He will never learn apparently.

I want anyone else at this point. I don't give a shit who. Let it be Piccolo who does train, joins with Goku and Vegeta, then he becomes super awesome again. I'd be done for that. I'll take anyone at this point. If Freeza can do it, then Piccolo can get super strong too. Then we have a non saiyan, and someone who's not Goku or Vegeta who's right up to relevancy again. I'll take Piccolo, I'll take Gohan, I'll take Gotenks, I'll take a super powerful god accidentally giving Mr. Satan the greatest power in the universe. ANYONE but those two.

[Dyno]

Piccolo, in other hand, I wouldn't mind If he just found a God connected to the namekian race, to help him climb higher.

Yeah, that would be interesting, not to mention there could probably have more exploration about the inhabitants of Namekusei, something Dragon Ball lacks poorly.

[sintzu]

So the alternative is to have 2 useful figures, and a bunch of people to simply watch them be awesome. Oh yeah...so much better.

If it was up to Toie we'd only have 1 useful figure so it could have been worse and keep in mind this could change any time.

As long as there'll be more movies then there's a chance Toriyama will bring in someone else into the mix or completely change it.

The Cell arc went from Goku,Vegeta,Trunks&Piccolo being the main stars to Gohan in the last minute so you never know what he might do.

However if he's going to stick with 2 for the rest of the movies then thankfully he picked the right 2.

Can you imagine how boring it would be if he had Gohan be the one to star alongside Goku ? it wouldn't be bad because of Gohan himself but because of how similar his character is to Goku's unlike Vegeta which leads to funny moments and interesting back and forth conversations.

[buutenks]

I'm sure the movie is awesome,cool action nice powerups and the z fighters fighting those troops will be cool I'm sure.Plus i cant wait to see freeza;s reaction go vegeta going blue ssj.

But,how other characters are left behind,is very sad.And what bugs me r the inconsistencies.Like gohan not knowing if he can still go ssj while 1 year prior he can go ultimate,he went in ultimate mode vs beerus,yet one year later he just doesnt have it anymore?Come on if he didnt lose ssj2 in 7 years and just barely got a little weaker no way hed lose ultimate in 1 year.

[dbzfan7]

So the alternative is to have 2 useful figures, and a bunch of people to simply watch them be awesome. Oh yeah...so much better.

If it was up to Toie we'd only have 1 useful figure so it could have been worse and keep in mind this could change any time.

As long as there'll be more movies then there's a chance Toriyama will bring in someone else into the mix or completely change it.

The Cell arc went from Goku,Vegeta,Trunks&Piccolo being the main stars to Gohan in the last minute so you never know what he might do.

However if he's going to stick with 2 for the rest of the movies then thankfully he picked the right 2.

Can you imagine how boring it would be if he had Gohan be the one to star alongside Goku ? it wouldn't be bad because of Gohan himself but because of how similar his character is to Goku's unlike Vegeta which leads to funny moments and interesting back and forth conversations.

That wouldn't be much better as then it's just the Goku Gohan show which would get old. I need characters to shift and for more people to be relevant. I can't stand when it's always the same person. We expand on Goku and Vegeta, but no one else we've known for a long time.

Goku and Vegeta interactions have gotten old. They are so expected it's not even funny. It's as expected as Roshi's perversion, and that predictable. Gohan isn't the same as Goku, nor really that similar. As I said I'll take Piccolo over Gohan too even so long as someone else finally gets a chance. Piccolo trains and he definitely can be right up there alongside them

I'm sure the movie is awesome,cool action nice powerups and the z fighters fighting those troops will be cool I'm sure.Plus i cant wait to see freeza;s reaction go vegeta going blue ssj. But,how other characters are left behind,is very sad.

My biggest problem. I will like all the spectacle, but seeing those withering corpses known as characters depresses me.

[Doctor.]

How would people feel if a few new characters, like 3 or 4, were introduced and along with Goku, Veggie, Beerus and Whis, they become the main characters whilst everyone else did absolutely nothing?

[dbzfan7]

How would people feel if a few new characters, like 3 or 4, were introduced and along with Goku, Veggie, Beerus and Whis, they become the main characters whilst everyone else did absolutely nothing?

Depending on their personality and how they were developed, yes I'd like that. Personally if you have no care to develop old characters, then make way for new one's who can get that development. That's exactly what Dragon Ball did in the past when they pushed out the old characters for the new ones, and now it might be time to do that again. Goku and Vegeta can stick around, but perhaps the rest should just go. Perhaps the next movie has Goku and Vegeta spend time in another universe, and meet some new characters alongside Beerus and Whis. Those new characters become mainstays and replace the old one's who the writers have no real care for.

Either develop the older characters and make them more relevant, or sever the dead weight so new characters can allow us to have more relevant people. GT partially had the right idea as they cut out the old cast, but unfortunately left Goku as the only one who could do anything on the space adventure.