Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Doctor.]

I don't mind Freeza knowing about Beerus and Boo. But if he knew about those two, begs the question of why he didn't know about Dabra and Kaioshin too.

[dbzfan7]

I don't mind Freeza knowing about Beerus and Boo. But if he knew about those two, begs the question of why he didn't know about Dabra and Kaioshin too.

Maybe cause they didn't want Freeza to have some funny interaction with them and had no plans to have Freeza play off them. Unlike with Beerus where I guess they just wanted Freeza to be nervous around him, for laughs I suppose.

[Doctor.]

I don't mind Freeza knowing about Beerus and Boo. But if he knew about those two, begs the question of why he didn't know about Dabra and Kaioshin too.

Maybe cause they didn't want Freeza to have some funny interaction with them and had no plans to have Freeza play off them. Unlike with Beerus where I guess they just wanted Freeza to be nervous around him, for laughs I suppose.

That'd work if they didn't mention Boo (whom even Beerus and Whis apparently knew nothing about) as well and then inexplicably having Boo hibernating during Freeza's invasion.

[dbzfan7]

I don't mind Freeza knowing about Beerus and Boo. But if he knew about those two, begs the question of why he didn't know about Dabra and Kaioshin too.

Maybe cause they didn't want Freeza to have some funny interaction with them and had no plans to have Freeza play off them. Unlike with Beerus where I guess they just wanted Freeza to be nervous around him, for laughs I suppose.

That'd work if they didn't mention Boo (whom even Beerus and Whis apparently knew nothing about) as well and then inexplicably having Boo hibernating during Freeza's invasion.

I guess mentioning Boo was a way for Freeza to finally accept he was outclassed, and had to do something....even though he kinda already admitted that when he returned as a Cyborg. Even said he would need his dad to help him beat Goku, and that maybe he could win by himself.

Also to throw this out here, I want more Bulma and Vegeta. Fuck Goku & Vegeta I had enough of that. I want more between Bulma and Vegeta. That chemistry is way more interesting.

[rereboy]

Even said he would need his dad to help him beat Goku, and that maybe he could win by himself.

Even though he knew he could train for 4 months and become almost Beerus' level. Freeza logic.

[FortuneSSJ]

So, there seems to be rumors that RF may get an extended edition. What kind of scenes would guys like to seen in the extended edition of the movie, if it does indeed exist?

Definitely hope so. Only good things would come from this.

As for new scenes:
- Freeza training
- Yamcha joins the party
- Tights meeting Jaco and the gang
- Extended Vegeta vs Freeza fight (with some flahsbacks from the saiyans back then)
- Jaco meeting Goku
- Cliffhanger ending that teases the next movie.

As for editing:
- Uncut version, where we don't get stupid censorship
Talking about Sorbet piercing Goku and Freeza stomping him. Don't know if there are any other scenes.

[fadeddreams5]

I would love to move on to another subject.

*ahem*

So, there seems to be rumors that RF may get an extended edition. What kind of scenes would guys like to seen in the extended edition of the movie, if it does indeed exist?

A montage of Gohan's lack of training and losing his powers.

*sigh*

I had to. <3

On a serious note, I'd like Buu, Goten, Trunks, and Yamcha to make cameos. Buu sleeping, Goten and Trunks playing video games, and Yamcha failing to communicate with girls while Chiaotzu and Puar facepalm.

Also, some of the scenes from the manga, like that visual of magenta Goku and Frieza's flashback of SSJ1 Goku.

[Marco Polo]

Even said he would need his dad to help him beat Goku, and that maybe he could win by himself.

Even though he knew he could train for 4 months and become almost Beerus' level. Freeza logic.

Maybe having a cyborg body was preventing him from gaining power from training or something.

[Marlowe89]

He got about as weaker as Krillin did, which was not at all. Even in the past he had a hard time tapping into his rage before the time skip. So nothing has changed.

The difference is, his rage is no longer the only source of power he has difficulty tapping into. Going into the first Super Saiyan stage or his unlocked potential form in the Buu saga wasn't an issue at all at the time. His inability to tap into higher forms now, however, is a clear indication that he's no longer at the level he used to be. My point is that being a prodigy isn't enough to change the fact that he would need to get re-acquainted with these forms, which should take some unspecified amount of time, otherwise he wouldn't have made the Super Saiyan comment in the first place.

No that comment of being unable to maybe tap into SSJ is bullshit and unreasonable. It's been like a year later after he had no issues, and now he has a problem? Bullshit. It's been shown when the half breeds try, they surpass the full bloods. That is a fact. It won't take years.

I never said it would take years, I said it would take more time than Gohan cares to dedicate. There would have to be some kind of training involved at the very least to absolve him of his "rustiness", but it wouldn't be in-character for Gohan to do something like that with his current circumstances, viewpoints and overall lifestyle. He isn't interested in training or fighting, and that's exactly why he was rusty to begin with.

It gives them padding. Nothing of worth. Nothing for their characters. It's fan service, and poorly done at that. Wow Krillin is so cool beating up weaklings, that's gonna mean so much for him. We could cut out the entire sequence for more story, and we'd have something much more worth it than pointless fighting.

Honestly, we could argue about this point for days on end, but I don't think either of our opinions are going to budge here. Your whole argument that saving the planet from an army of super aliens amounts to "pointless fighting" is an overly reductive approach in my eyes. The fact that they were given this kind of screentime in the first place is a pretty huge service to their characters in a series where most of these exact same characters have often received very little screentime at all, particularly in the manga's later arcs.

I don't find a problem with Gohan's portrayal in RoF. You do. It's probably best for us to part ways amicably at this point and admit that we're just not going to see eye to eye in this regard.

[fadeddreams5]

Something that I truly don't understand is this: how does Frieza know how much training is enough? He can't sense ki, right? So how does he know exactly how strong he needs to become to defeat Goku? To me, it seems wayyy to coincidental that Frieza attained comparable power to Goku's god form when he didn't even know Goku had met Beerus, let alone achieved anything like that.

[Lord Beerus]

On a serious note, I'd like Buu, Goten, Trunks, and Yamcha to make cameos. Buu sleeping, Goten and Trunks playing video games, and Yamcha failing to communicate with girls while Chiaotzu and Puar facepalm.

Also, some of the scenes from the manga, like that visual of magenta Goku and Freeza's flashback of SSJ1 Goku.

I though Yamcha got over his issues with communicating with women?

[TheGmGoken]

On a serious note, I'd like Buu, Goten, Trunks, and Yamcha to make cameos. Buu sleeping, Goten and Trunks playing video games, and Yamcha failing to communicate with girls while Chiaotzu and Puar facepalm.

Also, some of the scenes from the manga, like that visual of magenta Goku and Freeza's flashback of SSJ1 Goku.

I though Yamcha got over his issues with communicating with women?

Toriyama said he still has it.

[fadeddreams5]

On a serious note, I'd like Buu, Goten, Trunks, and Yamcha to make cameos. Buu sleeping, Goten and Trunks playing video games, and Yamcha failing to communicate with girls while Chiaotzu and Puar facepalm.

Also, some of the scenes from the manga, like that visual of magenta Goku and Freeza's flashback of SSJ1 Goku.

I though Yamcha got over his issues with communicating with women?

I vaguely remember, but in one of those modern Toriyama interviews, he wrote that Yamcha currently works as a bartender and is still shy around women. Forgot which one it was.

[rereboy]

Even said he would need his dad to help him beat Goku, and that maybe he could win by himself.

Even though he knew he could train for 4 months and become almost Beerus' level. Freeza logic.

Maybe having a cyborg body was preventing him from gaining power from training or something.

Seriously doubt that. He still has natural Ki and a great deal of his natural body left. Even the actual androids which don't seem to have natural Ki that can be sensed were stated to be able to become stronger by Toriyama.

[Marlowe89]

Even said he would need his dad to help him beat Goku, and that maybe he could win by himself.

Even though he knew he could train for 4 months and become almost Beerus' level. Freeza logic.

I'm not so sure he did know that. When he mentioned that he could do this in RoF, wasn't it worded along the lines of "I wonder what would happen if..."? Seems more like he just recently reached that conclusion through simple contemplation.

[dbzfan7]

I don't find a problem with Gohan's portrayal in RoF. You do. It's probably best for us to part ways amicably at this point and admit that we're just not going to see eye to eye in this regard.

If you paid attention, you'd notice that's exactly what I was doing. I agree with others and put the conversation aside. Then you had to need to bring up the argument all over again. Screen time isn't what's good, it's how it's used. Tails in Sonic has loads of screen time, but most of it is garbage since they went in a new direction that deteriorated the character horribly. From generic Jimmy Neutron, to unable to fight, to only used to further plot, a lot of screen time doesn't mean good screen time. I'll end it there.

[Lord Beerus]

I vaguely remember, but in one of those modern Toriyama interviews, he wrote that Yamcha currently works as a bartender and is still shy around women. Forgot which one it was.

Toriyama said he still has it.

Damn. I mean.... damn.

I don't find a problem with Gohan's portrayal in RoF. You do. It's probably best for us to part ways amicably at this point and admit that we're just not going to see eye to eye in this regard.

If you paid attention, you'd notice that's exactly what I was doing. Then you had to need to bring up the argument all over again.

No, he doesn't. We need to move on from Gohan-gate, for the better of the thread.

[rereboy]

Even said he would need his dad to help him beat Goku, and that maybe he could win by himself.

Even though he knew he could train for 4 months and become almost Beerus' level. Freeza logic.

I'm not so sure he did know that. When he mentioned that he could do this in RoF, wasn't it worded along the lines of "I wonder what would happen if..."? Seems more like he just recently reached that conclusion through simple contemplation.

A contemplation he didn't reach after losing horribly in Namek, getting half his body destroyed and even while knowing that he might not be able to defeat Goku alone which is why he brings his father with him to Earth as he specifically mentions?

[Chuquita]

So, there seems to be rumors that RF may get an extended edition. What kind of scenes would guys like to seen in the extended edition of the movie, if it does indeed exist?

*Points at her avatar intensely.* That scene that's in Toyotaro's manga adaption with ssjg Gokû, but not in the movie. Hell, any ssjg Gokû would be super-appreciated. TuT

Also I second "Freeza training montage", "Jaco meeting Gokû", and add a "mention something about the 11 universes and if/when Gokû and Vegeta will be ready to take a field trip to one of them.". :3

[dbzfan7]

If you paid attention, you'd notice that's exactly what I was doing. Then you had to need to bring up the argument all over again.

No, he doesn't. We need to move on from Gohan-gate, for the better of the thread.

I agree. If he read the responses up to the current spot, he'd have seen I put the conversation aside and agreed to move on. Hence I didn't retort any of his arguments so we could move on.