How does Golden Frieza fare off against fighters in GT

[Saiga]

that "alternate timeline" is the main timeline. trunks created a different timeline by going back to the past. the main timeline followed in dbz is not the original timeline.

While it is true that Trunks' timeline is the original, the game specifically treats the story from Raditz to Beerus as the "main" timeline for the game's events and GT is acknowledged as a timeline alternate from that.

Are you sure? I played this story yesterday and to me it seemed like Trunks was saying that the GT timeline was the one he saved, therefore it's also the Raditz to Beerus timeline.

[Demon187]

Except that only explains why Godku was super excited for Uub the extremely brilliant prospect and future hero of the universe, but it doesn't explain why Godku thought Uub might actually win a tournament consisting of himself, VegeGod, Mystic Gohan, Boo, etc etc. Or why Uub right off the bat without any Godly training was able to match Godku (who was stated to be going full power) pretty much blow for blow, and actually cause damage to him with a single kick that wobbled Godku's arm pretty hard, and a Ki Cannon that made Godku look like a homeless man afterwards.

That is literally not possible since Uub is merely a Kid Boo reincarnate, and was never stated to ever recieve any type of training - much less GODLY training - prior to the tournament. In fact, given that Godku was eager to teach him everything, and given that Uub didn't even know how to fly, it is clear Uub didn't even train nor had a master at all.

Actually, it is possible because Buu originally had a gift of learning things very quickly while fighting. The fat Majin Buu learned how to do the Kamehameha AND that attack that Vegeta does where he showers people with Ki blasts. Uub is reincarnated from Buu so he started learning how to fight in the MIDDLE of the fight with Goku, like Vegeta says. He didn't need prior training to keep up with Goku, he had his natural strength from Buu and he figured out how to defend himself after Goku pissed him off.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

that "alternate timeline" is the main timeline. trunks created a different timeline by going back to the past. the main timeline followed in dbz is not the original timeline.

While it is true that Trunks' timeline is the original, the game specifically treats the story from Raditz to Beerus as the "main" timeline for the game's events and GT is acknowledged as a timeline alternate from that.

Are you sure? I played this story yesterday and to me it seemed like Trunks was saying that the GT timeline was the one he saved, therefore it's also the Raditz to Beerus timeline.

Same here. XenoVerse includes DBZ, BoG, TV Special 1, Movies 8 & 10, and GT to the main timeline.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Are you sure? I played this story yesterday and to me it seemed like Trunks was saying that the GT timeline was the one he saved, therefore it's also the Raditz to Beerus timeline.

Same here. XenoVerse includes DBZ, BoG, TV Special 1, Movies 8 & 10, and GT to the main timeline.

I'm not talking about Trunks' rambling where he sounds half confused, I'm talking about the mission descriptions in the Time Vault. It specifically says you travel to the timeline where the Ultimate Dragon Balls were used to turn Goku into a kid, and the only time "timelines" are mentioned are on the start of the missions for where you travel to Trunks' timeline and the GT timeline.

The description for the Bardock and Broli mission says that the "histories from other dimensions will blend together, causing another distortion", which miiiight imply they're not part of the main timeline either. That one's not as clear. (I'd like parts of the game to be overlooked by Herms in Japanese, but there isn't much access.)

Also a note, despite calling himself a god throughout most of the story, Demigra is only stated to become one in the descriptions once he gets his hands on Toki Toki.

[Marlowe89]

Same here. XenoVerse includes DBZ, BoG, TV Special 1, Movies 8 & 10, and GT to the main timeline.

I just played it again yesterday, and besides the Time Vault description mentioned above, Trunks specifically uses phrases like "this other, additional timeline" when referring to the whole GT story. It's pretty obvious that they're separating this from the main timeline.

[Dyno]

All Dragon Ball Xenoverse covers is Bardock vs Freeza.

A fight that is in the manga, so... It does not matter what a simple description says, that TV Special scene is not "another dimension".

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The year in which the events take place can cause it to be in an alternate timeline (TV Special vs. manga/minus). I don't really care either way, as it's just a bonus story, but the game goes with AGE 737 so it very well could be an alternate timeline.

[Dyno]

To the game itself, then. No way that could be said to the Dragon Ball continuity.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

No, the same can be said for the series too. The manga has planet Vegeta being destroyed in AGE 739 thanks to Jaco and Battle of Gods, while the anime gains a little inconsistency by using the TV Special (for now anyway, due to the lack of animated Minus material) and AGE 737 for the planet's last moments. The events with Bardock can be roughly the same, where he charges Freeza as the last Saiyan standing and gets eradicated with the planet, but the year in which they occur is still a big enough difference on the timeline/continuity.

[Dyno]

Well, neither in the TV Special or during the fight it was said the destruction of planet Vegeta occurs in Age 737, so how could that be an inconsistency?

The Bardock vs Freeza scene in the TV Special can perfectly be "transported" to the Age 739 as well, representing what was seen in Chapter 307.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Because we know when it takes place. There is enough supplemental content telling us exactly what year the Bardock TV Special events happen in. It doesn't exactly seem practical to ignore one entry if you 're going to use this same material as a source for when other content takes place.

I just said the "fight" can play out the same in both timelines. It's actually very likely that it does, seeing how we know how the battle ends in the manga (with Bardock above planet Vegeta and then vaporized with it). It's the context of the material from before that fights that causes problems and splits it into alternate timelines/continuities.

If Xenoverse decided that Minus' 739 events are what precede the events of the game's main timeline, and then Demigra uses a wormhole to transport TV Special Bardock from an alternate timelines AGE 737, that's okay. There's no problem with that, it just following along with the game's expanded universe. Neither is invalidated or anything, so I don't see why people make such a big fuss over it.

[Confidence Matters]

Except that only explains why Godku was super excited for Uub the extremely brilliant prospect and future hero of the universe, but it doesn't explain why Godku thought Uub might actually win a tournament consisting of himself, VegeGod, Mystic Gohan, Boo, etc etc. Or why Uub right off the bat without any Godly training was able to match Godku (who was stated to be going full power) pretty much blow for blow, and actually cause damage to him with a single kick that wobbled Godku's arm pretty hard, and a Ki Cannon that made Godku look like a homeless man afterwards.

That is literally not possible since Uub is merely a Kid Boo reincarnate, and was never stated to ever recieve any type of training - much less GODLY training - prior to the tournament. In fact, given that Godku was eager to teach him everything, and given that Uub didn't even know how to fly, it is clear Uub didn't even train nor had a master at all.

Actually, it is possible because Buu originally had a gift of learning things very quickly while fighting. The fat Majin Buu learned how to do the Kamehameha AND that attack that Vegeta does where he showers people with Ki blasts. Uub is reincarnated from Buu so he started learning how to fight in the MIDDLE of the fight with Goku, like Vegeta says. He didn't need prior training to keep up with Goku, he had his natural strength from Buu and he figured out how to defend himself after Goku pissed him off.

1. This proves that Uub & Goku in GT are FAR stronger than they ever were in Z, and 2. if Uub is so gifted, how didn't he learn how to fly after watching Goku do it?

[Polyphase Avatron]

There's not an effective basis of comparison for the characters, but I suppose I imagine Freeza being at or much higher than the level the stronger GT characters reach.

This is also my answer.

[Dyno]

Because we know when it takes place. There is enough supplemental content telling us exactly what year the Bardock TV Special events happen in. It doesn't exactly seem practical to ignore one entry if you 're going to use this same material as a source for when other content takes place.

I just said the "fight" can play out the same in both timelines. It's actually very likely that it does, seeing how we know how the battle ends in the manga (with Bardock above planet Vegeta and then vaporized with it). It's the context of the material from before that fights that causes problems and splits it into alternate timelines/continuities.

If Xenoverse decided that Minus' 739 events are what precede the events of the game's main timeline, and then Demigra uses a wormhole to transport TV Special Bardock from an alternate timelines AGE 737, that's okay. There's no problem with that, it just following along with the game's expanded universe. Neither is invalidated or anything, so I don't see why people make such a big fuss over it.

Think I got it, but what context precedes what was seen in the manga? Both Xenoverse and the manga just shows the fight with no mention at all to what was seen in the TV Special, don't remember Bardock even mentioning Toma and the others, the problem is just the year that appears on the screen.

[Captain Sauza]

While there's no direct comparison, I think the characters in these new movies are above any of the GT characters. It just seems weird that a transformation called 'Super Saiyan God' and a God of Destruction and his tutor (Beers and Whis) would be weaker than random villains in GT.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Gods are always surpassed in Dragon Ball. Kami-sama, Kaio-sama, Kaioshit, etc..

Logically half the villains in GT should be weaker than even Freeza, but that's certainly not the case.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Minus now precedes the events of the manga, which contradict the TV Special in both date and content. Fans can attempt to combine the two into their own headcanon if they want, the same way they've cherry picked content from across the rest of the franchise for years. They just need to realize that official material is almost certainly not going to adhere to said fanon.

In Xenoverse, the date is basically the only thing that's important. It says AGE 737, which sets it in the timeline of the TV Special. In addition to that though, Freeza asks Zarbon to open the ship hatch (he wasn't there in Minus) and Bardock is outright stated to be able to see the future multiple times (meaning he did the Kanassa job). Trying to say they made a typo and explain that all that stuff somehow happened within Minus' 1 month and this is actually the Minus AGE 739 timeline would require a lot of assumptions. It's best to just follow Occam's Razor and accept the answer with the least number of assumptions; that it's the TV Special version of those events and that it might be an alternate timeline in the game's view of events.

[Hellspawn28]

Can we even use Xenoverse in these type of topics since it's a video game that deals with time travel? Due to how time travel works in the DB universe, everything in that game is likely set in another timeline. We all know that a OC never came out to fight Goku during his battles in DBZ.

[Barunks]

I just imagine him to be stronger than baby but weaker than super 17.

[Dyno]

Minus now precedes the events of the manga, which contradict the TV Special in both date and content. Fans can attempt to combine the two into their own headcanon if they want, the same way they've cherry picked content from across the rest of the franchise for years. They just need to realize that official material is almost certainly not going to adhere to said fanon.

In Xenoverse, the date is basically the only thing that's important. It says AGE 737, which sets it in the timeline of the TV Special. In addition to that though, Freeza asks Zarbon to open the ship hatch (he wasn't there in Minus) and Bardock is outright stated to be able to see the future multiple times (meaning he did the Kanassa job). Trying to say they made a typo and explain that all that stuff somehow happened within Minus' 1 month and this is actually the Minus AGE 739 timeline would require a lot of assumptions. It's best to just follow Occam's Razor and accept the answer with the least number of assumptions; that it's the TV Special version of those events and that it might be an alternate timeline in the game's view of events.

Well, of course he is not there because Minus didn't even get to that point, it was lazily ended way before. And I remember Trunks saying once he can see the future, but in that thing's scenario, I'll check it later if he says the same in Bardock's scenario as well.

But I really can't understand how a single moment without context shown in the manga and the game (excluding the year) contradicts something, but okay.