To make the movies canon, what changes would you make?

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Re: To make the movies canon, what changes would you make?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:26 am

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Movie 6: There's just too much wrong with this movie, and trying to find a place in the timeline just makes it worst.
The movie can take place before the android saga if they remove the scene with Dende.
If it takes before #17 and #18 arrives then how does Goku and the others go to New Namek if no one knew where it was at until Goku went to King Kai's place.
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Re: To make the movies canon, what changes would you make?

Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:32 am

Goku and Gohan should be rivals in strength and so I'd have Gohan put up a good fight with Broly in his 1st movie.
Instead, what we got was Goku getting the spotlight, and Toei made Gohan a total push over. He flies away from Broly then gets knocked out. :roll:

If any movies need major changes, Tree of Might should be first on the list. All of the characters who were killed in the Saiyan Saga simply shouldn't be in the movie. Or just place this movie in a completely different spot in the story line altogether, problem solved.

I would also only do 2 Broly movies, not 3. Bio-Broly was just.. very random.
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Re: To make the movies canon, what changes would you make?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:51 am

How I would redo the changes to the movies in order for them to fit.

DBZ Movie 1: Remove Krillin, Bluma and Goku being surprise by Piccolo's weight clothes. Otherwise the movie almost fits. The movie be reference via flash blacks in the anime and have Garlic Jr's hechmen escape from Hell in GT. So we know that the events of the movie happens.

DBZ Movie 2: Have it set after Namek. Remove the Garlic Jr saga from happening and you have DBZ Movie 2 instead. Have Vegeta end up killing Dr. Uiro with Goku not around. I would have the movie be reference by having some flash backs of the events in the show and the bio warriors escaping out of Hell in GT.

DBZ Movie 3: Just remove it completely. I think DBZ Movie 2 can work by taking place after Freeza and before Future Trunks arrives.

DBZ Movie 4: Remove it along with DBZ Movie 3.

DBZ Movie 5: Keep it the same and have Goku try to talk Coola out of fighting to tell him that Trunks is the real killer behind his family.

DBZ Movie 6: Remove it. Just can't work along with DBZ Movie 3, 4, 7, 11.

DBZ Movie 7: Remove it.

DBZ Movie 8: Have set before the Cell games. Remove the interview scenes of Goku and Chi Chi. Have Goku and Gohan be FPSSj and not normal SSj. Have Broli be reference more then once in the show.

DBZ Movie 9: Keep the same. Have Bojack be reference at least once and have Bojack and his gang work with Cell and Freeza in Hell against Goku and Pikkon. Even have Bojack watch Goku fight Buu in Hell with Freeza, Cell and the others.

DBZ Movie 10: Remove Videl and have Goten not know who Goku is. Even have Broli watch Goku fight Kid Buu in Hell.

DBZ Movie 11: Remove it for good.

DBZ Movie 12: Just do what Buu Furry did. Simple as that.

DBZ Movie 13: Keep it the same.
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Re: To make the movies canon, what changes would you make?

Post by sintzu » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:30 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:
DBZ Movie 6: Remove it. Just can't work along with DBZ Movie 3, 4, 7, 11.
It works fine as a story set before the android arc if you remove the part with Dende.
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Re: To make the movies canon, what changes would you make?

Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:35 am

Movie 1: The movie actually fits pretty well. If I were to nitpick, I'd remove Piccolo and in his place put in Yamcha and/or Tien, just to give the Earthlings more moments to shine. Otherwise, I'd wouldn't really change anything.

Movie 2: I'd have the movie take place during the period in which Goku was still in space after the conclusion of the Freeza arc and have the Earthlings who trained on King Kai's Planet (Tien, Yamcha and Chaozu) take centre stage to display the new strength they gained for King Kai's traning.

Movie 3: Nope. This move just can't fit into the canon. Period.

Movie 4: Nope. This move just can't fit into the canon. Period.

Movie 5: Nope. This move just can't fit into the canon. Period.

Movie 6: Nope. This move just can't fit into the canon. Period.

Movie 7: Nope. This move just can't fit into the canon. Period.

Movie 8: The movie can take place during the 9 day waiting period before the Cell Games. It fits perfectly fine.

Movie 9: The movie can take places months or weeks after the Cell Games. It fits perfectly fine.

Movie 10: The movie can take place a short time before the 25th World Martial Arts Tournament begins but you'd have to remove any mention of Videl knowing what the Dragon Balls are

Movie 11: Nope. This move just can't fit into the canon. Period.

Movie 12: Oh, God. As Hellspawn28 noted, just do what Buu's Fury did.

Movie 13: The movie can take places months or weeks after the Majin Boo arc. It fits perfectly fine.

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Re: To make the movies canon, what changes would you make?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:21 pm

sintzu wrote:
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DBZ Movie 6: Remove it. Just can't work along with DBZ Movie 3, 4, 7, 11.
It works fine as a story set before the android arc if you remove the part with Dende.
The problem with that is that no one knew where New Namek was until later in the Cell saga when Goku ask King Kai where it was. So how can they make a space ship to New Namek if no one knows where it is at? Also they should be all training during that three year time period. DBZ Movie 5 can fit if you have Goku reference Future Trunks but I would imagine Coola would not believe him anyways.
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Re: To make the movies canon, what changes would you make?

Post by Duo » Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:32 pm

Rocketman wrote:Gohan defeats Buu. Movie 12 serves as the epilogue to the series, with Goku's adventures continuing in the afterlife while Gohan and Gotenks protect the Earth without him.
Absolutely this. If this were a "change anything about the series at all" thread, that would by a #1 now and forever.

I suppose I'll participate in the main idea of the thread, though it seems like most of the best idea's have already been covered. Also, I believe the term "main continuity" is more appropriate.

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M1: Sub out Kuririn for Tenshinhan. Have him beat one of the members of the spice rack. Fixes the Gohan / Kuririn plothole. Do not include Gohan unleashing his hidden power in front of Goku and Piccolo.

M2: Jesus. Alright. Set the story a year or two after the 23rd Tenka'ichi Budokai. Omit Piccolo and Gohan. Tenshinhan gets mind controlled instead of Piccolo (create drama by having him try to harm Chaozu), and otherwise have the events play out the same way sans Kaio-ken and the Genki-dama. Maybe make a giant group Kamehameha save the day at the end or something.

M3: Sweet fuckery. Push this one until Goku is on Yardrat? Remove Goku from the initial scenario and remove the forest fire thing. Have Piccolo deal with the Gohan ape situation while holding his own against Tullece. Everybody else loses, per norm. Vegeta shows up and kicks a ton of ass. Tullece eats the fruit, owns Vegeta back. Gohan, Piccolo, and Vegeta work together in some meaningful way to save the day, then use the Dragon Balls to restore the Earth to normal.

M4: Ugh. I guess move this to shortly after Trunks visits Earth. Goku goes Super Saiyan to battle Slugg. They break about even. Slugg takes the upper hand using a unique skill or technique. Goku is forced to use the Genki-dama while the others distract Slugg using whistling or whatever. This brings back the Genki-dama as a relevant skill and makes the viewer question the all-powerful Super Saiyan. Not really sure what to do with Vegeta, so maybe he sustains a training injury around this time.

M5: Changing a couple of details repairs this one, at least. Correct Gohan's age/appearance. Extend Goku's injury time period while Vegeta battles Coola until Coola transforms. Goku comes into play after Vegeta is thoroughly owned. Super Saiyan Goku and Coola have some level of entertaining battle that ends with Goku soundly prevailing.

M6: No star, just Coola. Make Goku deal with it when he goes to Namek. Maybe make the fight humorously one-sided, just because Freeza already did the robot thing.

M7: Have them wake up a couple years after the Cell Game to give Gohan and/or Vegeta something to do for a bit. Basically just an excuse to show the characters during this interim.

M8: What Multiverse did.

M9: No significant changes necessary. I'd happily take Goku out of it altogether and have Gohan muster the manliness to deal with shit on his own. Seeing Piccolo and the others beat to snot should have been enough to do the trick.

M10: What Multiverse did, maybe without including Goku.

M11: Remove the "Broli" part (just an O/P mutant works), invent some reason that the others couldn't sense the Ki of Goten/Trunks/Kuririn fighting.

M12: See: above

M13: Maintain the scenario sans Goku/Vegeta (see the M12 scenario at the top of the post), and reversion the Dragon Fist to be a technique that Gohan developed after fighting Majin Buu. Maybe under the pretense that he wanted to invent a technique that could have made killing Majin Buu much easier.

I guess this would create a continuity that makes BoG impossible. Oh well.

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Re: To make the movies canon, what changes would you make?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Tue Apr 21, 2015 2:07 am

I always believe in the idea that Movie 7 is set in a different timeline. In the anime and manga, it already stated that Dr. Gero destroyed the first fifteen cyborgs that he designed. I don't think #13, #14 and #15 can exist in the anime and manga if Dr. Gero already destroy them early on.
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