MistareFusion's Dragon Ball Dissection! (Updated 5/11/26!)

[Captain Space]

All right, thanks.

Of course, if he ever does it'll be in quite a while from now...not that that's a bad thing, the thoroughness of these videos is a large part of what makes them so good. In any case, it'll probably give time for this current 'phase' of new material to grow to be a bit more substantial (or at least in terms of the canon new stuff, which is currently one and a half movies and barely one chapter of manga).

[FoolsGil]

DBD TV: The 22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai Arc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fwrc328u3w

[Gaffer Tape]

Yeah, what he said... =P

DBD TV: The 22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai Arc

I had a lot of fun with this one, so I hope you do too. Sorry I haven't responded to this thread in a while. I've just been ridiculously busy. I've seen all the comments and questions, and I'll try to reply to them very soon.

[FoolsGil]

@Gaffer:

You may not like Chaozu's extra filler moment, but his spinning headbutt was what made me fall in love with the little guy, that and Tenkaichi 3.

[Kid Buu]

You know, I never saw those early episodes where Goku meets Tenshinhan and Chaozu early. Only parts of DB Media I haven't seen.

Nice to see Lunch save the day.

I wonder where the audience stayed during the 4-days the tournament?

A couple of characters get their own theme in Kai, although I guess you wont including that considering you said "in the original run."

Uh, Saiyan arc? I thought you were gonna do Anime!Daimao and Anime!23rdBudokai first? Not that I'm complaining.

[JulieYBM]

With Seigasha's animation you're describing their use of the Kanada style. Kanada Yoshinori began experimenting with timing and the poses of his key animation to create more exciting movement during the 1970s. His style impressed directors who wanted to be able to do more on the limited number of drawings they were allowed per episode, so he was allowed to refine his style. Others took note of what Kanada was doing and either copied his techniques to try and refine them or went off in their own directions. Kanada is definitely the most influential figure in Japanese animation and is the exact reason why we see timing and layouts show such individuality. You can view some of Kanada's work on Sakugabooru. Kanada also invented the 'Kanada Dragon' (as it has come to be called). The Kanada Dragon is a technique used to depict energy in the shame of...dragons. Plenty of animators employ the technique now. I don't think Dragon Ball ever had a Kanada Dragon, though. When Hisada Kazuya was finally promoted to key animation in Dragon Ball Z he truly embodied Seigasha's love of Kanada Yoshinori. In your video you showed an example of Zarbon kicking that Namekian. That was Hisada's work. He also did that shot from Gokuu versus Freeza that you showed. You can learn more about Kanada and his influence on Anipages. Kanada passed away in 2009 of a heart attack. One of his last works was for the Opening of Gaiking: Legend of Dark-ryuu as the behest of Oobari Masami.

[Gaffer Tape]

Alright. Let me try to catch up on this thread as best as I can.

I know your doing FF memories. Anything else?

In case you hadn't seen, I also recently put out The Facts of Life/Star Trek III Conspiracy! video, which is much in the same vein as my The Star Trek V/Dragon Ball Z Conspiracy! video from several years ago, although this one seems to much more of an amazing coincidence than a planned reference.

I had also hoped to get a new Batman video in before I returned to Dragon Ball Dissection. But, as often happens lately when I try to venture outside of DBD, my technology tries to punish me for it, so the two Final Fantasy Memories videos and the FOL/ST3 videos all took much, much longer than they should have. For the former, it took me forever to get a working capture device because I really wanted to get game footage this time around. For the latter, my regular editing computer would give me nothing but a blank screen whenever I tried to use any footage from FOL or ST3, so I had to go to my old computer, which is slow as hell. So I actually recorded both of those videos back in January and, well, you know the rest. And also, not too long ago, a more popular DB YouTuber, blackenfist, had me on his channel to talk about Bardock, and it gave me a huge explosion of new subscribers, so I figured I'd better hurry up and get a new DBD up. Plus, the burnout I'd experienced on Dragon Ball after pushing through the last arc finally wore off, and I've been in a very big Dragon Ball mood as of late. Figured I'd better take advantage of that while it lasts.

If I may ask a question Gaffer: Do you think Piccolo Junior and King Piccolo are the same person(IE Piccolo Junior has all of King Piccolo's memories, is responsible for the king's actions, etc.), or distinct?

I think it's both. He's a reincarnation, so the soul is the same. But that doesn't mean that it's the same character. To use another example from the series, is Oob responsible for Majin Boo's actions? I would say no. You could also think of the Trills from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, where the symbiont inside is the same, but the host is different in every lifetime. So they have the memories of their past lives, but they are treated as wholly new people, free from any debts or ties from a past life. Hell, I'd say they even take it too far, flat out forbidding Trills to get involved with future incarnations of lovers in past lives under basically penalty of death. But now I'm getting off-topic...

Speaking of other projects, I'm rewatching your Mighty Morphin Zyuranger video, and it got me curious if you knew that Shout Factory put out Zyuranger on DVD (and if so, if you bought it). Watched all but the last disc so far on my set.

I've definitely heard of it, but I haven't purchased it. My last Shout! Factory purchase was The Facts of Life Complete Series, and that's about all I have time and money for right now.

What's the schedule for future DBD videos?

Well, just put up the TV 22nd Budoukai arc. After that is the Saiyan arc. Have no idea how many videos that's planned for. I haven't written the scripts yet. DBZ Movie 1 will be covered towards the end of it, around the time Vegeta transforms. Then I'm thinking TV Piccolo and TV 23rd, but at the very least TV Piccolo. As for exactly when those will be released... not sure. With any luck, I might get to start writing the scripts for the Saiyan arc today... maybe... I am really, really, really busy in real life right now. So much so that my brain feels like it's going to explode into a sad, crying ball of nothing.

But yeah, on the matter of DBD, do you think you might cover the recent specials/movies after you finish the manga? Would be interesting to see.

Oh, yeah. I definitely hope to do those at some point, but it won't be for a very, very long time. Not sure if I can even think about it right now.

A couple of characters get their own theme in Kai, although I guess you wont including that considering you said "in the original run."

Uh, Saiyan arc? I thought you were gonna do Anime!Daimao and Anime!23rdBudokai first? Not that I'm complaining.

Yep. That is exactly why I worded it like that because the last thing I wanted was 100 comments asking, "What about 'Saiyan Blood'?"

And, I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to go ahead and just copy and paste the answer I gave to someone who asked this on YouTube because, well, what's the point in writing it from scratch when I already have, and it feels like I've already spent over half an hour on this post.

"Yeah, it had been my plan to do the remaining three TV arcs here and get caught up. But then I realized if I did it that way then I would end up covering certain things out of order because the anime, as I've said, likes to introduce things from the manga chronologically earlier.

For example, had I been following from the beginning and done the RRA TV video directly before the manga 22nd Budoukai video, then Tenshinhan and Chaozu would be introduced in Dragon Ball Dissection before their "real" introduction. Gyumao gets his grandpa makeover in the Saiyan arc, but the anime uses it earlier in the wedding dress filler episodes. South Kaio appears in the Boo arc, but the anime introduces him in the afterlife tournament episodes. Stuff like that. So in light of that realization, I decided to re-organize a bit."

With Seigasha's animation you're describing their use of the Kanada style. Kanada Yoshinori began experimenting with timing and the poses of his key animation to create more exciting movement during the 1970s. His style impressed directors who wanted to be able to do more on the limited number of drawings they were allowed per episode, so he was allowed to refine his style. Others took note of what Kanada was doing and either copied his techniques to try and refine them or went off in their own directions. Kanada is definitely the most influential figure in Japanese animation and is the exact reason why we see timing and layouts show such individuality. You can view some of Kanada's work on Sakugabooru. Kanada also invented the 'Kanada Dragon' (as it has come to be called). The Kanada Dragon is a technique used to depict energy in the shame of...dragons. Plenty of animators employ the technique now. I don't think Dragon Ball ever had a Kanada Dragon, though. When Hisada Kazuya was finally promoted to key animation in Dragon Ball Z he truly embodied Seigasha's love of Kanada Yoshinori. In your video you showed an example of Zarbon kicking that Namekian. That was Hisada's work. He also did that shot from Gokuu versus Freeza that you showed. You can learn more about Kanada and his influence on Anipages. Kanada passed away in 2009 of a heart attack. One of his last works was for the Opening of Gaiking: Legend of Dark-ryuu as the behest of Oobari Masami.

You were the specific person I was thinking about when I wrote that because you and I have talked/disagreed about Seigasha's animation before, and I so thought you were going to skewer me for my comments. But I would definitely want to use some of this, if you don't mind, when I get back to Seigasha during the Hisada/Shimanuki eras. In general, I should probably run any animation-related content past your desk before I put it out there.

[TheGmGoken]

Just curious. My memory is a bit...fuzzy ATM
Why is it weird that Goku..feels something is wrong? There's real life scenarios when this happens too. Bulma did this in manga with Vegeta as well.

[Gaffer Tape]

I didn't say there was anything wrong with Goku feeling something amiss. In fact, I praised it. The thing I poked a little bit of fun at was the moment later when Goku pretty much knew Kuririn was dead and ran all the way back to the tournament grounds to confirm it. That was going a bit too far, I thought. To use your own example, yeah, Blooma gets a feeling when Vegeta dies. As in, she feels that something is wrong. But she doesn't have the kind of certainty to freak out and yell to Yamucha, "Turn the plane around! We have to go to Vegeta right now!"

[KaiserNeko]

I didn't say there was anything wrong with Goku feeling something amiss. In fact, I praised it. The thing I poked a little bit of fun at was the moment later when Goku pretty much knew Kuririn was dead and ran all the way back to the tournament grounds to confirm it. That was going a bit too far, I thought. To use your own example, yeah, Blooma gets a feeling when Vegeta dies. As in, she feels that something is wrong. But she doesn't have the kind of certainty to freak out and yell to Yamucha, "Turn the plane around! We have to go to Vegeta right now!"

I think it makes more sense with Goku, as he often runs on instinct. Especially considering that moment of tension he has before Kuririn runs off; he felt something was wrong from the start, but that second instance just confirms it.

[Gaffer Tape]

Well, like I said, it wasn't a huge problem for me. I just thought it was a bit too much. And maybe it's because I'm so familiar with the manga version, but it kind of came across to me as the writers sort of going, "Well, we left the tournament grounds. We need them to get back to the tournament grounds somehow because that's where the death scene takes place. So how are we going to do that?" So it just feels a bit more forced to me than them actually responding to a tangible stimulus like in the manga. But, again, just a minor quibble in a great reinterpretation.

[Zephyr]

I always interpreted it as Goku being somewhat able to feel a disruption in Krillin's ki from afar. Still not a fully developed skill, which is why he had to go confirm his sensation-based suspicions, but able to sense some sort of twinkle in the ki nonetheless.

[Regarder]

It's basically a psychic premonition of death. I think it's more esoteric and dramatic than just "ki". Goku knew something was wrong even before Krillin was actually in trouble (though ki fits once Krillin is actually fighting).

Why couldn't he do stuff like that later? Because it's more of a dramatic device than an actual ability or power. It's there to A: create tension, B: show the connection between Goku and Krillin, and C: make Goku feel more responsible for Krillin's death, contextualizing his anger on another level than just getting the enemy who did it.

[Kid Buu]

A couple of characters get their own theme in Kai, although I guess you wont including that considering you said "in the original run."

Uh, Saiyan arc? I thought you were gonna do Anime!Daimao and Anime!23rdBudokai first? Not that I'm complaining.

Yep. That is exactly why I worded it like that because the last thing I wanted was 100 comments asking, "What about 'Saiyan Blood'?"

And, I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to go ahead and just copy and paste the answer I gave to someone who asked this on YouTube because, well, what's the point in writing it from scratch when I already have, and it feels like I've already spent over half an hour on this post.

"Yeah, it had been my plan to do the remaining three TV arcs here and get caught up. But then I realized if I did it that way then I would end up covering certain things out of order because the anime, as I've said, likes to introduce things from the manga chronologically earlier.

For example, had I been following from the beginning and done the RRA TV video directly before the manga 22nd Budoukai video, then Tenshinhan and Chaozu would be introduced in Dragon Ball Dissection before their "real" introduction. Gyumao gets his grandpa makeover in the Saiyan arc, but the anime uses it earlier in the wedding dress filler episodes. South Kaio appears in the Boo arc, but the anime introduces him in the afterlife tournament episodes. Stuff like that. So in light of that realization, I decided to re-organize a bit."

I see. Probably for the best. I look forward to discussing the Saiyan arc with you.

[dbzfan7]

Well, like I said, it wasn't a huge problem for me. I just thought it was a bit too much. And maybe it's because I'm so familiar with the manga version, but it kind of came across to me as the writers sort of going, "Well, we left the tournament grounds. We need them to get back to the tournament grounds somehow because that's where the death scene takes place. So how are we going to do that?" So it just feels a bit more forced to me than them actually responding to a tangible stimulus like in the manga. But, again, just a minor quibble in a great reinterpretation.

Gotta agree with ya. He just so happens to know when Krillin dies. I mean it works great for drama's sake, but it is a little silly. The scene still is powerful to me though.

[Mewzard]

Man, I'm glad I finally caught up on the videos after falling behind on the Red Ribbon vids long ago (rewatched it up to there as well to refresh). This has been a fun series.

The Saiyan Saga coming up is exciting, because like many others, that's where I started with DBZ. I was one of the few who started watching Toonami from the beginning, back when it was airing stuff like Superfriends, Voltron, the Real Adventures of Johnny Quest, Thundercats, etc, so I watched those Saiyan Saga episodes plus some for like the 5-6 times it aired before the Funi dub started (watched the redubs of it, watched it in Kai).

Between that and the manga (regular and full color), I've seen this saga many times.

[Kid Buu]

So....

....gonna review Super?

[Vegitofaxx]

So....

....gonna review Super?

https://youtu.be/3bbzK6PGlok
All your answers are belong to him

[Kid Buu]

Just watched it.

Although, so far at least, it does seem like the 10 years of peace holds true. Since Beerus only crashed a birthday party and quickly became friends with the cast, and Freeza was a total joke. It's not like the Saiyan Saga, which was full of despair over the course of a year for the Z Fighters.

[jcogginsa]

Frieza did blow up the dang planet