Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

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Post by Noah » Thu Apr 23, 2015 11:10 am

FutureGohanSSJ2 wrote:Except these aren't just clothes. If this was like a change of t-shirts or something, I would understand getting annoyed. But this is Goku's gi we're talking about here. His everso famous gi. That would be like if Mickey Mouse suddenly decided to wear Green Plants and Blue Gloves. You wouldn't have the same reaction as these other folks who are merely wondering where there new clothes came from? Especially since now they're training under Gods.

I for one, do hope we hear an explanation for Goku's blue gi towards the end of Z. Where he got it, why Blue and no more Orange, etc.

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:To be fair, costume changes for the main cast were something that was usually covered via character dialogue in the manga: "Oh, Kaio sent it.", "I made an outfit just like Mr. Piccolo", "I want the same clothes my dad wears.", etc. So I don't really find it strange that someone would like an explanation for the change, though I also don't think their clothes are the most pressing issue to be addressed either. If we had gotten one, great. We didn't though, so oh well. Maybe Toriyama will bring it up in Q&As if we get them this time around (we should?).

And that's was my point about they suddenly decide to change their clothes, glad someone has understood.

Big Momma wrote:...to get stronger. Why else? It's a known fact that Goku will train simply to get stronger. Vegeta tagged along because he's not gonna sit by and let Kakarot train under a God's attendant without him. These are blanks you can easily fill in yourself if you'd take the time to think about it.


That's right, I know their motives, but what about the Whis reasons to start training them? This is something curious.

Big Momma wrote:"Okay, Freeza never trained... But where he trained? Which methods he choose? Showing Freeza passing through a harsh training, his desires, frustrations and fears all that showing how he feels about his past humiliations and how he will feel about finally achieving the power that he think it will be enough to have his revenge would be a great way to develop his character even more."

That stuff would be cool but...at the end of the day, why doesn't it matter in the long run? The focus/point of the film is Freeza coming back to fight our heroes. Showing all of that does little for his development...especially when he ends up dying again anyway.


Because a lot of people here really complained about Freeza recently discovery that he's a "prodigy" and only 4 months of training would give him the biggest Power Jump of all franchise and we get not about his training? Another wasted oportunity, really.
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Post by saunasolmu » Thu Apr 23, 2015 11:17 am

Whis trained them in exhange for getting some Earth food.

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Post by Chuquita » Thu Apr 23, 2015 11:21 am

I'd really like it if there's a third movie where Whis reveals he did train them for a reason.
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Post by sintzu » Thu Apr 23, 2015 11:25 am

Chuquita wrote:I'd really like it if there's a third movie where Whis reveals he did train them for a reason.
I'll be surprised if there isn't.
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Post by Rocketman » Thu Apr 23, 2015 11:56 am

Goku's gi is pretty neat as a midway between his old one and the end-of-Z one. Vegeta's change is weirder since he's worn the same thing for like fifty years.

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Post by FortuneSSJ » Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:10 pm

sintzu wrote:
Chuquita wrote:I'd really like it if there's a third movie where Whis reveals he did train them for a reason.
I'll be surprised if there isn't.
Yup me too. All this training isn't for nothing. I'm expecting something big will happen in the future.
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Post by SansrivaaL » Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:12 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8_nu9m ... e=youtu.be

Ah the nostalgia of this is very strong.... I have a feeling we'll be getting DB KAI soon, just a feeling :lol:

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Post by FortuneSSJ » Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:16 pm

SansrivaaL wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8_nu9m ... e=youtu.be

Ah the nostalgia of this is very strong.... I have a feeling we'll be getting DB KAI soon, just a feeling :lol:
That's where they should have started in the first place! Unfortunately seems like the new Digimon anime may replace DB Kai.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:52 pm

saunasolmu wrote:Whis trained them in exhange for getting some Earth food.
Hey...if someone offered me one of these

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Post by ShadowWolf87 » Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:09 pm

Noah wrote:
Big Momma wrote:"Okay, Freeza never trained... But where he trained? Which methods he choose? Showing Freeza passing through a harsh training, his desires, frustrations and fears all that showing how he feels about his past humiliations and how he will feel about finally achieving the power that he think it will be enough to have his revenge would be a great way to develop his character even more."

That stuff would be cool but...at the end of the day, why doesn't it matter in the long run? The focus/point of the film is Freeza coming back to fight our heroes. Showing all of that does little for his development...especially when he ends up dying again anyway.


Because a lot of people here really complained about Freeza recently discovery that he's a "prodigy" and only 4 months of training would give him the biggest Power Jump of all franchise and we get not about his training? Another wasted oportunity, really.
But then people would start to complain as to why Goku/Vegeta/Gohan/etc Don't just go there/do that to get stronger and essentially max themselves out or wind up on an even playing field. Vegeta especially isn't above using artificial means to try to get stronger, why would he not run off to try to get stronger on his own as opposed to submitting to a teacher? Or why would some of the humans not try it for the sake of doing so?

Basically, revealing it would just open the door to more pointless complaining and debate. I, for one, would prefer we avoid that and just assume Freeza put himself through hell to acquire that level of power, which would also explain why he stopped as soon as he felt he could.
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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:46 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:
saunasolmu wrote:Whis trained them in exhange for getting some Earth food.
Hey...if someone offered me one of these
Id train them too.
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Post by SuperSaiyanQ » Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:47 pm

Just seen a 15 second video of SSGSS Goku fighting Golden Frieza , dunno if it was the one leaked a couple days ago ?
But it seems pretty decent , CGI doesn't seem terrible but is noticeable

Goku does look sweet though !

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Post by Big Momma » Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:56 pm

Noah wrote:
Big Momma wrote:...to get stronger. Why else? It's a known fact that Goku will train simply to get stronger. Vegeta tagged along because he's not gonna sit by and let Kakarot train under a God's attendant without him. These are blanks you can easily fill in yourself if you'd take the time to think about it.


That's right, I know their motives, but what about the Whis reasons to start training them? This is something curious.

Pretty sure it's said that it's because Bulma offered him Ice Cream or something. And, even if not...maybe it's just because Goku/Vegeta asked, and Whis is a nice guy?
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Because a lot of people here really complained about Freeza recently discovery that he's a "prodigy" and only 4 months of training would give him the biggest Power Jump of all franchise and we get not about his training? Another wasted oportunity, really.
I think it's a valid reason. If other people don't like it, that's on them.
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Post by Marlowe89 » Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:49 pm

SuperSaiyanQ wrote:CGI doesn't seem terrible but is noticeable
Personally, I don't have a problem with CGI sequences as long as they provide some pretty good fluidity and don't overstay their welcome. I liked them in BoG.

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Post by batistabus » Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:51 pm

FutureGohanSSJ2 wrote:I for one, do hope we hear an explanation for Goku's blue gi towards the end of Z. Where he got it, why Blue and no more Orange, etc.
The short and most accurate answer? Toriyama wanted to draw it that way.

The in-universe answer? Why do we need one? Is this really that interesting/important to you? Do you expect there to be some deep explanation? Goku didn't ALWAYS wear his regular dogi. He is seen wearing casual clothing throughout the series and films, and started off the series with a different outfit. Maybe he just wanted to mix it up a bit. Maybe he retired his formal attire because he's living in a time of peace. Since he has long since surpassed his masters (except for possibly Whis who didn't exist at this time), maybe it's time for him to come up with his own robes.

Sorry for being kind of snappy about this. If this is for some reason super important and interesting to you, then that's totally fine. It's just that if people are going to be asking Toriyama questions about the series/universe, I would prefer one million other things be asked than waste a question on something like this.
Rocketman wrote:Goku's gi is pretty neat as a midway between his old one and the end-of-Z one. Vegeta's change is weirder since he's worn the same thing for like fifty years.
Vegeta has a costume change just about every arc. They're always within the same general aesthetic style of outfit, and his RoF getup is no exception.

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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Thu Apr 23, 2015 5:07 pm

I thought he was training them to become the new Gods of Destruction, Goku said he didn't want to but Vegeta might want to.
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:02 pm

Some Herms' translated Volume F tidbits from over on Twitter:
  • Toriyama thought he couldn't make Freeza's design any simpler, so he changed the color instead. Thus Golden Freeza was born!
  • SSGSS's blue hair was in order to emphasize that Goku is tranquil in this form, and keeps a level head in battle.
  • Bulma had Capsule Corp's development department knock up Vegeta's (slightly) new-and-improved armor under her instructions.
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Post by Dyno » Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:14 pm

These information are already on the film's page, by the way. xD

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Post by Lord Beerus » Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:24 pm

Toriyama thought he couldn't make Freeza's design any simpler, so he changed the color instead. Thus Golden Freeza was born!
Of course. Keeping it simple. Classic Toriyama. :)
SSGSS's blue hair was in order to emphasize that Goku is tranquil in this form, and keeps a level head in battle.
It's kind of ironic that Goku's new form was supposed to emphasize him being more tranquil and level headed in battle, yet his relaxed attitude lead to him being pierced through the heart. Irony.
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Post by Chuquita » Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:59 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Some Herms' translated Volume F tidbits from over on Twitter:
  • Toriyama thought he couldn't make Freeza's design any simpler, so he changed the color instead. Thus Golden Freeza was born!
  • SSGSS's blue hair was in order to emphasize that Goku is tranquil in this form, and keeps a level head in battle.
  • Bulma had Capsule Corp's development department knock up Vegeta's (slightly) new-and-improved armor under her instructions.
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Golden Freeza is at least fun to say out loud. :3
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