Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

[BlazingBarrrager]

What's the use of trying to integrate the new movie if everything in it is going to be useless anyway?

He said he wasn't integrating Revival of F, and Battle of Gods was already integrated into the comic.

[fexus]

What's the use of trying to integrate the new movie if everything in it is going to be useless anyway?

He said he wasn't integrating Revival of F, and Battle of Gods was already integrated into the comic.

That's what I want to ask. Why did he integrate BoG? Everything in it becomes useless anyway. The powerlevel still stayed the same.

[Malik_DBNA]

What's the use of trying to integrate the new movie if everything in it is going to be useless anyway?

He said he wasn't integrating Revival of F, and Battle of Gods was already integrated into the comic.

That's what I want to ask. Why did he integrate BoG? Everything in it becomes useless anyway. The powerlevel still stayed the same.

I can only assume you're referring to SSJ GOD correct?

[fexus]

I can only assume you're referring to SSJ GOD correct?

Beerus too.

[Malik_DBNA]

I can only assume you're referring to SSJ GOD correct?

Beerus too.

I find it staggering that some people think the only valuable contributions BoG made were Beerus/Whis, SSJ God, and astonomical power levels.

From a story standpoint, I value more the interesting dynamic of the Gods, the divine hierarchy, and things like that. I like things that expand the world itself. why do I need to include Beerus and Whis? Why does everything have to be settled by a God or by Super Saiyan God? How lame is that to just say "powerful bad guy. Instead of challenging ourselves, lets go SSJ God and just annihilate him. End of story". Lets be perfectly honest: With Goku and Vegeta pretty much becoming Gods, what's the point of the story continuing? Besides Gods, there will now be no one who is a challenge (Goku and Vegeta are really gonna display this in Resurrection F). Constantly fighting Gods is so stale. "Who are Goku and Vegeta fighting now? -insert name of God here-". That's lame.

I don't include SSJ God and Beerus visually because of the possibility of new movies and the effect they have on my own story. If I have to keep revising the story every time a new movie comes out, its going to get tedious. I included BoG because it could be easily integrated with a few simply rewrites, and because I value its story contributions and dynamics, not its power levels.

[fexus]

I can only assume you're referring to SSJ GOD correct?

Beerus too.

I find it staggering that some people think the only valuable contributions BoG made were Beerus/Whis, SSJ God, and astonomical power levels.

From a story standpoint, I value more the interesting dynamic of the Gods, the divine hierarchy, and things like that. I like things that expand the world itself. why do I need to include Beerus and Whis? Why does everything have to be settled by a God or by Super Saiyan God? How lame is that to just say "powerful bad guy. Instead of challenging ourselves, lets go SSJ God and just annihilate him. End of story". Lets be perfectly honest: With Goku and Vegeta pretty much becoming Gods, what's the point of the story continuing? Besides Gods, there will now be no one who is a challenge (Goku and Vegeta are really gonna display this in Resurrection F). Constantly fighting Gods is so stale. "Who are Goku and Vegeta fighting now? -insert name of God here-". That's lame.

I don't include SSJ God and Beerus visually because of the possibility of new movies and the effect they have on my own story. If I have to keep revising the story every time a new movie comes out, its going to get tedious. I included BoG because it could be easily integrated with a few simply rewrites, and because I value its story contributions and dynamics, not its power levels.

It wasn't the only valuable contribution but it's one of the biggest valuable contribution. Making anybody other than Rigor the strongest is really hard for you right? Rigor's drawback only seem to be added because you need something to justify him being the strongest. There is really nothing to justify Rigor being the strongest. Even Freeza is still below Beerus. The story could continue without having some random no name suddenly being the strongest. Making the story continue with "Suddenly a powerful enemy comes out from nowhere are stronger than anybody in the universe." are equally stupid.

Than don't include SSJ God, Beerus and Whis at all if you will make them job to Rigor anyway. At the so called story contribution and dynamics. Include the SSJ God legend but not the part where Goku turns into a SSJ God. Add the concept about the God of Destruction but don't add Beerus and Whis. You adding them just make it looks like that you want your character to be stronger than the current strongest character.

[Malik_DBNA]

It wasn't the only valuable contribution but it's one of the biggest valuable contribution. Making anybody other than Rigor the strongest is really hard for you right? Rigor's drawback only seem to be added because you need something to justify him being the strongest. There is really nothing to justify Rigor being the strongest. Even Freeza is still below Beerus. The story could continue without having some random no name suddenly being the strongest. Making the story continue with "Suddenly a powerful enemy comes out from nowhere are stronger than anybody in the universe." are equally stupid.

Than don't include SSJ God, Beerus and Whis at all if you will make them job to Rigor anyway. At the so called story contribution and dynamics. Include the SSJ God legend but not the part where Goku turns into a SSJ God. Add the concept about the God of Destruction but don't add Beerus and Whis. You adding them just make it looks like that you want your character to be stronger than the current strongest characaster.

Actually, when I started formulating a power scale for DBNA, I scaled back Rigor and the rest. I didn't start out trying to make him stronger than Beerus or Whis. It just happened to occur that way. I spent weeks with mathematical formulas and power multipliers to get the character's PLs where they are. Rigor, based on multipliers alone, actually wasn't much stronger than Son Goku or Vegeta before becoming a Super Saiyan 5. If you took the True SSJ4 multiplier from my story (24000 x base) and divide Rigor's base maximum (which is his True SSJ4 power), his base is almost equal with Goku or Vegeta. SSJ5 in my story isn't even the strongest Super Saiyan form. SSJ God still grossly outclasses It. Rigor in himself is simply an anomaly. He's simply a mutation. The original Super saiyan legend stated that only one appears every thousand years. Yet we have five In the canon story. To me, its not too much of stretch that the forms Goku and the others take are accessible by any Saiyan so long as they have the potential for It. Rigor is just different. He is the one that fulfills the legend of a Super Saiyan with no equal In the universe.

As far as him surpassing Gods, its a thing that has been done several times before in the canon story. Goku and company have surpassed dozens of Gods in terms of power. Local Gods, Kaio, Kaioshin, and its Implied that he and Vegeta may possibly have surpassed Beerus already. Just being a god doesn't mean they get to stay the strongest and unrivaled forever. The Kaioshin were supposedly unsurpassable beings, yet Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta had already far surpassed them by the time the Boo arc began, and they didn't even know they existed at that point.

To go a step further, its my story. I thought Battle of Gods would be the last movie and it was canon, so I decided to include It. I can include whatever I want. At no point have I said "I made Rigor the strongest because I want him to beat Beerus and Whis." If when I did the scales, Rigor wasn't even close to Beerus, I wouldn't care. Its just the way it turned out. Just because I don't make them the focal point of the story and Involve them In everything doesn't demean their part or existence in the story.

[rereboy]

The problem with including BOG is that BOG happens before DBGT, which makes us assume that, in DB New Age continuity, the events of DBGT happened in DB New Age without any reference, use or appearance of SSJG, Beerus or Whis, until the fight with Rigor.

[fexus]

Actually, when I started formulating a power scale for DBNA, I scaled back Rigor and the rest. I didn't start out trying to make him stronger than Beerus or Whis. It just happened to occur that way. I spent weeks with mathematical formulas and power multipliers to get the character's PLs where they are. Rigor, based on multipliers alone, actually wasn't much stronger than Son Goku or Vegeta before becoming a Super Saiyan 5. If you took the True SSJ4 multiplier from my story (24000 x base) and divide Rigor's base maximum (which is his True SSJ4 power), his base is almost equal with Goku or Vegeta. SSJ5 in my story isn't even the strongest Super Saiyan form. SSJ God still grossly outclasses It. Rigor in himself is simply an anomaly. He's simply a mutation. The original Super saiyan legend stated that only one appears every thousand years. Yet we have five In the canon story. To me, its not too much of stretch that the forms Goku and the others take are accessible by any Saiyan so long as they have the potential for It. Rigor is just different. He is the one that fulfills the legend of a Super Saiyan with no equal In the universe.

As far as him surpassing Gods, its a thing that has been done several times before in the canon story. Goku and company have surpassed dozens of Gods in terms of power. Local Gods, Kaio, Kaioshin, and its Implied that he and Vegeta may possibly have surpassed Beerus already. Just being a god doesn't mean they get to stay the strongest and unrivaled forever. The Kaioshin were supposedly unsurpassable beings, yet Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta had already far surpassed them by the time the Boo arc began, and they didn't even know they existed at that point.

To go a step further, its my story. I thought Battle of Gods would be the last movie and it was canon, so I decided to include It. I can include whatever I want. At no point have I said "I made Rigor the strongest because I want him to beat Beerus and Whis." If when I did the scales, Rigor wasn't even close to Beerus, I wouldn't care. Its just the way it turned out. Just because I don't make them the focal point of the story and Involve them In everything doesn't demean their part or existence in the story.

It just happened that way? You cannot make a scale without actually making the multiplier. I don't even know where the hell did you get the multiplier from. Where did you get the powerlevel of Beerus, Whis and SSJ God Goku? Did you even factor in the time when they train and increase their power? Yes, Rigor is different. He's special. He fulfills legend just like Broly. Having Broly was enough. We don't need more unexplained circumstances.

I don't care about surpassing Gods. If Rigor suddenly has the power to surpass Beerus and Whis, Goku and Vegeta should have done that first a long time ago.

Lastly, lets talk how BoG is canon to DBGT. Really I need to know how does that work? Did you change a lot of it so you can include BoG and compare it with Beerus and Whis? Or is your DBGT vastly different from the DBGT I've seen.

[Malik_DBNA]

It just happened that way? You cannot make a scale without actually making the multiplier. I don't even know where the hell did you get the multiplier from. Where did you get the powerlevel of Beerus, Whis and SSJ God Goku? Did you even factor in the time when they train and increase their power? Yes, Rigor is different. He's special. He fulfills legend just like Broly. Having Broly was enough. We don't need more unexplained circumstances.

I don't care about surpassing Gods. If Rigor suddenly has the power to surpass Beerus and Whis, Goku and Vegeta should have done that first a long time ago.

Lastly, lets talk how BoG is canon to DBGT. Really I need to know how does that work? Did you change a lot of it so you can include BoG and compare it with Beerus and Whis? Or is your DBGT vastly different from the DBGT I've seen.

I have a group of about 12 people, all of whom have a deep knowledge of the Dragon Ball World and such, and we formulated power levels and multipliers the same way everyone has post-Freeza: educated guesses based on information that we have. The scales I developed were just so we could have a linear scale to attempt to create a workable power creep and not something ridiculous. So Beerus, Whis, and Super Saiyan God Goku were formated based on Akira Toriyama' s small scale numbers and about two weeks worth of math and debate.

And had you read Chapter Zero, that was explained. Both Battle of Gods and GT were altered. The alterations are minor for Battle of Gods and heavy for GT. No other movies are considered canon and no alterations occur to the original manga. Plus, this continuity is an alternate timeline.

Short list of changes:
- SSJ God power gradually fades from the user
- Tarble Is never mentioned (Rigor is his alt. Timeline Counterpart)
- SSJ4's method of obtainment is different
- GT powerscale is dialed back (Goku is not Z SSJ3 tier in base, Rilldo is not stronger than Boo, etc)
- Super 17 arc is completely revised
- Ending of GT is changed

[fexus]

It just happened that way? You cannot make a scale without actually making the multiplier. I don't even know where the hell did you get the multiplier from. Where did you get the powerlevel of Beerus, Whis and SSJ God Goku? Did you even factor in the time when they train and increase their power? Yes, Rigor is different. He's special. He fulfills legend just like Broly. Having Broly was enough. We don't need more unexplained circumstances.

I don't care about surpassing Gods. If Rigor suddenly has the power to surpass Beerus and Whis, Goku and Vegeta should have done that first a long time ago.

Lastly, lets talk how BoG is canon to DBGT. Really I need to know how does that work? Did you change a lot of it so you can include BoG and compare it with Beerus and Whis? Or is your DBGT vastly different from the DBGT I've seen.

I have a group of about 12 people, all of whom have a deep knowledge of the Dragon Ball World and such, and we formulated power levels and multipliers the same way everyone has post-Freeza: educated guesses based on information that we have. The scales I developed were just so we could have a linear scale to attempt to create a workable power creep and not something ridiculous. So Beerus, Whis, and Super Saiyan God Goku were formated based on Akira Toriyama' s small scale numbers and about two weeks worth of math and debate.

And had you read Chapter Zero, that was explained. Both Battle of Gods and GT were altered. The alterations are minor for Battle of Gods and heavy for GT. No other movies are considered canon and no alterations occur to the original manga. Plus, this continuity is an alternate timeline.

Short list of changes:
- SSJ God power gradually fades from the user
- Tarble Is never mentioned (Rigor is his alt. Timeline Counterpart)
- SSJ4's method of obtainment is different
- GT powerscale is dialed back (Goku is not Z SSJ3 tier in base, Rilldo is not stronger than Boo, etc)
- Super 17 arc is completely revised
- Ending of GT is changed

A group of 12 same minded people that can just agree on anything you say? What you have now isn't a workable creep but a vastly huge one.

Again if it's vastly altered, there would be no SSJ4.

SSJ God power does fades but it can be absorbed as shown by Goku in BoG. Unless you mean even the absorb power fades away but that means Goku never actually absorb the power in him making it contradict BoG.

[Doctor.]

Of course it contradicts BoG, he re-wrote it.

[Malik_DBNA]

When I say fades, I mean completely. Son Goku did indeed absorb it, but used up the risidual energy fighting against Beerus, so by the end of the BoG story, Goku is simply back to normal with no God energy whatsoever.
The Bebi Saga (where Goku obtains SSJ4) is relatively unchanged, but some alterations have taken place, such as the conditions for obtaining SSJ4.
And my 12 guys are far from like-minded. Hence why it took two weeks. Several of the guys thought my levels should have been higher.

[fexus]

When I say fades, I mean completely. Son Goku did indeed absorb it, but used up the risidual energy fighting against Beerus, so by the end of the BoG story, Goku is simply back to normal with no God energy whatsoever.
The Bebi Saga (where Goku obtains SSJ4) is relatively unchanged, but some alterations have taken place, such as the conditions for obtaining SSJ4.
And my 12 guys are far from like-minded. Hence why it took two weeks. Several of the guys thought my levels should have been higher.

So, Goku never did really absorb the power like in BoG. They never think to turn to SSJ God in GT. And there are people that think that this ridiculous power creep wasn't enough.

Well, okay than. I hope you can still continue to entertain your fans with this type of story. Good luck.

[Cetra]

"This type of story". The negative cloud floating around here again is very rude. It is Malik's story. He decides. And when it comes to Dragon Ball New Age I have never seen Malik adding an inconsistency like a Boo Saga Gohan being slower than a Saiyajin Saga Goku or a Cell regenerating even though he can't. He puts very much effort into the story and just because it is not perfect (which I have never seen from a Dragon Ball fan who thinks he could do better than the originals and Malik does not even claim that) it is nothing to be that negative about again. He even explains things easier by saying "I altered it and made it another timeline". And even that would not be necessary, because as an author he could just say "I retconned/altered one and the same timeline - so it is the original one just with a few details that always existed while the pre-retconned stuff never did" just like it happens in Dragon Ball and other stories all the time.

[Malik_DBNA]

They never go SSJ God in GT because none of the GT villains, Omega Shenron included, were strong enough to warrant SSJ God. In terms of the small numbers scale, only Super 17 and Omega Shenron rank higher than a 1, but even then they are weaker than BoG era SSJ God Goku.

And people in 158 countries seem to enjoy it well enough. Sorry that you're not one of them.

[fexus]

"This type of story". The negative cloud floating around here again is very rude. It is Malik's story. He decides. And when it comes to Dragon Ball New Age I have never seen Malik adding an inconsistency like a Boo Saga Gohan being slower than a Saiyajin Saga Goku or a Cell regenerating even though he can't. He puts very much effort into the story and just because it is not perfect (which I have never seen from a Dragon Ball fan who thinks he could do better than the originals and Malik does not even claim that) it is nothing to be that negative about again.

Yes, it is his story but I can still give my opinion on what his type of story is like. I could say it is bad and I wouldn't be wrong.

But there's a problem in Malik's story other than inconsistency. He plays favourites. Like really bad. The bad guy have a powerlevel that surpasses everybody in the story even the newly introduced Gods that isn't even around when he started his story. It's like he doesn't want anybody to surpass Rigor.

They never go SSJ God in GT because none of the GT villains, Omega Shenron included, were strong enough to warrant SSJ God. In terms of the small numbers scale, only Super 17 and Omega Shenron rank higher than a 1, but even then they are weaker than BoG era SSJ God Goku.

And people in 158 countries seem to enjoy it well enough. Sorry that you're not one of them.

So, they never go their most powerful form only to opt for SSJ4 when they meet more powerful enemies? Am I missing something here?

You see, I'm not the kind of people to go gaga for some random muscle villain that can go SSJ5. I always hated the look of SSJ4 and prefer SSJ God.

[Cetra]

Also good luck convincing Super 17 and Super YI Xing Long to wait for the god ritual. They could barely power up Goku or create Gogeta.

Yes, it is his story but I can still give my opinion on what his type of story is like. I could say it is bad and I wouldn't be wrong.

But there's a problem in Malik's story other than inconsistency. He plays favourites. Like really bad. The bad guy have a powerlevel that surpasses everybody in the story even the newly introduced Gods that isn't even around when he started his story. It's like he doesn't want anybody to surpass Rigor.

Beerus the Destroyer and Whis follow exactly the same pattern. They are introduced out of nothing and not even close to being surpassed by main characters. As well as Golden Globe Freeza was easily able to surpass everyone who is not Goku and Vegeta.

[fexus]

Also good luck convincing Super 17 and Super YI Xing Long to wait for the god ritual. They could barely power up Goku or create Gogeta.

Yes, it is his story but I can still give my opinion on what his type of story is like. I could say it is bad and I wouldn't be wrong.

But there's a problem in Malik's story other than inconsistency. He plays favourites. Like really bad. The bad guy have a powerlevel that surpasses everybody in the story even the newly introduced Gods that isn't even around when he started his story. It's like he doesn't want anybody to surpass Rigor.

Beerus the Destroyer and Whis follow exactly the same pattern. They are introduced out of nothing and not even close to being surpassed by main characters. As well as Golden Globe Freeza was easily able to surpass everyone who is not Goku and Vegeta.

Didn't Malik say that the God form could be absorb but fades away. So, even if they did the God form a little early. The absorb power would still be there for a while. Everybody could do it and we can get a team of absorbed SSJ God power. If no one else can absorb it Goku is enough.

Beerus and Whis expanded the universe with God of Destruction and 12 other universe. Freeza got killed again. What did Rigor brings? More power and special power since birth.

[Cetra]

Also good luck convincing Super 17 and Super YI Xing Long to wait for the god ritual. They could barely power up Goku or create Gogeta.

Yes, it is his story but I can still give my opinion on what his type of story is like. I could say it is bad and I wouldn't be wrong.

But there's a problem in Malik's story other than inconsistency. He plays favourites. Like really bad. The bad guy have a powerlevel that surpasses everybody in the story even the newly introduced Gods that isn't even around when he started his story. It's like he doesn't want anybody to surpass Rigor.

Beerus the Destroyer and Whis follow exactly the same pattern. They are introduced out of nothing and not even close to being surpassed by main characters. As well as Golden Globe Freeza was easily able to surpass everyone who is not Goku and Vegeta.

Didn't Malik say that the God form could be absorb but fades away. So, even if they did the God form a little early. The absorb power would still be there for a while. Everybody could do it and we can get a team of absorbed SSJ God power. If no one else can absorb it Goku is enough.

And when is "a little early"? Super 17 appeared when Goku was not on Earth and Super Yi Xing Long gave them like no chance at all - I would even say the power up they made has a bit in common with the god ritual. I mean, I would not explain it like that in my story because I would write that SSJ4 has the SSJ God energy in the first place but it is still Malik's story and there is really no gamebreaking inconsistency.

Rigor brought in an actual fleshed out character. He has a reason to hate Vegeta and good god, he even is a family man. And that comes from someone who does not like that Broly is not included because Broly is his favourite Dragon Ball character. Freeza is evil because he is evil and was revived and fought because he is evil and was defeated. I know what kind of written story I prefer.