BoG/Rof & GT are not in the same universe.

[Mystic Tien]

Toriyama's statement doesn't say anything that contradicts the notion that Enma pulled strings to affect the reincarnation process, just that because Buu was pure evil, it helped speed things along quickly.

It directly says that Buu reincarnated that fast because of him being pure evil. What wasn't said - wasn't said. So Enma doesn't have anything to do with this according to Toriyama.

Daimao transferred his spirit into the egg moments before he died, so his "reincarnation" wasn't related to the afterlife at all. If anything, his actions cheated death. As for Freeza, again, Goku surmised that Enma pulled strings for Uub's reincarnation, and there's no reason to assume that his belief in that matter was baseless. So since Goku wanted to fight a good version of Buu, Enma pulled strings to get Uub reincarnated quickly, and since the same courtesy wasn't given to Freeza, the process of punishment/reincarnation was still in the works.

But you can't cheat the death. Every person who dies goes to the after life, with the only exception being people killed by members of Mazoku clan. Goku's assumptions always tend to be proven false. He thought he would defeat Cell, he lost. He thought that his son could defeat Cell, but it took Android 16 dying, Goku dying and Vegeta helping for this finally been able to happen. He also thought that kids would defeat Buu, they failed, he thought that Gohan would defeat Buu, he failed. Pretty much most of Goku's assumptions failed, I don't see why his assumptions should be viewed as something definite, while he barely knows something about how after life works and barely knows anything at all.

The god ki is, currently though, a part of their base form. It's not something that they can just ignore or not. Besides, even if it was something they didn't have to manifest when they transformed (that their transformations could ignore any god ki they had), given how significantly both Goku and Vegeta get throttled in their non Ssj4 forms, don't you think that they'd want to use that god ki if they had access to it? People aren't going to say that Goku lost Ssj2 in GT because he clearly used it at least once. With Ssj God Ssj though, there's no sign of it at any point in GT, even when they're getting pummeled by their opponents.

It can't be, though, that they can't use their usual ki now, it means, that they will never be able to be felt by anyone else now. And that means, that they lost their usual energy. How exactly this could have happened? Moreover Kaio's ki was felt by Goku, and he is a deity as well. They most likely have two forms of ki. As for why Goku didn't use this godly energy, why should he? Maybe it had too much of a strain for him in his child's body. For that exact reason he used SSJ3 only once in the whole GT series. We don't know how low capabilities of saiyans in children's body are. It is also very possible that SSJ4 exceeded the power of SSJ God, we don't know what is stronger as for now. These are just speculations. But again this doesn't matter much, as for me BoG and GT are two different timelines. And inconsistencies don't matter anyway.

But Super Saiya-jin 3 is the only thing that Goku had over Vegeta at the time he stated that line. Thanks to the Ma-jin seal, which was established to bring an individual past their limits, Vegeta closed the gap he had with Goku, to where they were completely even in their respective forms.

But Vegeta didn't achieve it even now, and even after Ma-jin seal and rage boost in BoG, that means that Goku had muuuuuch more training than Vegeta, and he still didn't keep up with him even now.

The context of the statement is what matters most. He isn't saying that he would write a continuation of the manga serialization using GT as the premise, but that he liked the idea of turning Goku young, and could have used that as a premise to continue the manga, but he didn't want to draw it.

Nah. He is exactly saying that he would draw a new manga using the story of GT if he wanted to, as for him not wanting to draw manga, he doesn't want to do it even now. Hence why there is a manga adaptation of FnF made by Toyble out of all people. There is no difference between his statement about BoG and GT, they are the same.

People are doing that with Battle of Gods and Revival of F because not only are we given the time frame of when the movies take place, but we're given indication that they take place in the same continuity as the manga, so naturally people are going to try and figure out how to make them work with one another. With GT though, it's always existed as a continuation of the anime, not the manga, and since Battle of Gods and Revival of F are in the manga's continuity, the two continuities don't align with one another.

No proof at all, just people's speculations. I may say that GT is in manga continuity as well, because Toriyama said:

If you are able, along with me, to enjoy watching the original Dragon Ball's grand side-story Dragon Ball GT

He didn't say Z, he said "original Dragon Ball", which means his manga, which means that GT is a side-story of his manga, not anime.

And no one will be able to prove me otherwise. But I don't say it, because it doesn't make any sense, as anime can't be in the same continuity as manga. And there are countless examples including a lot of shonens.

The Bardock movie was actualy canon too

Actually Minus overrides Bardock's special from being manga canon, though it is canon to the anime canon.

Bardock's special was never in manga continuity.

[Dyno]

Yes it was (and Bardock vs Freeza scene continues to be part of the manga). Don't overstate things you don't know.

[ZeroTheSuperSaiyan]

first ever post HELLO Kanzenshuu form

on topic me and a friend were discusing this very same thing about trying to still fit GT into the canon as we are fans of GT and we came up with many theorys to make it fit, from the SSJGSSJ form in Resurrection F/Fukkatsu no F being an un-mastered mix if SSJ & God Ki and once mastered their hair goes blond again to Goku not being able to use it in GT due to his child like body not being able to handle the power (there were a lot more we came up with and if your interested I can tell you them) but the fact of the matter is the only thing RF/FnF do that makes a plot hole for GT is the blue hair as for Freeza not going golden in GT remember that he and Cell was only ment to keep goku busy in hell until the hole between worlds closed

what I'm trying to say is I came up with a theory that I'm happy with that let's GT fit with BoG and FnF and I'm sure many can do the same and until Toei come out and say GT is no longer part of the franchise I'm happy keeping it in my DB canon

but with a series like Dragon Ball that's full of inconsistencies and a author like Akira Toriyama a man well known for forgeting things he previously did with his franchises rying to make a consitant canon is a fools errand

I can make GT fit for me, if you can make it fit for you too then do it because we all have our own DB canon (for example I consider he first Cooler movie, the Bojack movie and Wrath of the Dragon canon too)

[fexus]

Wait there are people that want GT to fit in with BoG/RoF? Why? Why do you want that?

[dbgtFO]

Wait there are people that want GT to fit in with BoG/RoF? Why? Why do you want that?

Exactly what is this supposed to imply?

[Hellspawn28]

Wait there are people that want GT to fit in with BoG/RoF? Why? Why do you want that?

Because you have fans that grew up with GT and do want it to be ignore. For me, I don't see the big deal if GT and the new movies are not set in the same timeline.

[fexus]

Wait there are people that want GT to fit in with BoG/RoF? Why? Why do you want that?

Exactly what is this supposed to imply?

It could imply something while still mean nothing. It could be that I was just asking a question. It could but could it?

I just don't understand why people want to try to even fit GT with BoG/RoF. It quite clearly contradict everything that happen in GT.

Wait there are people that want GT to fit in with BoG/RoF? Why? Why do you want that?

Because you have fans that grew up with GT and do want it to be ignore. For me, I don't see the big deal if GT and the new movies are not set in the same timeline.

I grew up with GT too. The only thing I remember was SSJ4. Tried to watch it again but everything just looks more horrible than what I remember it to be.

[ZeroTheSuperSaiyan]

Wait there are people that want GT to fit in with BoG/RoF? Why? Why do you want that?

we are just trying to bring order to a unordered world

[Marlowe89]

but the fact of the matter is the only thing RF/FnF do that makes a plot hole for GT is the blue hair as for Freeza not going golden in GT remember that he and Cell was only ment to keep goku busy in hell until the hole between worlds closed

Freeza isn't even the type of character to "just keep Goku busy". There's a laundry list of inconsistencies between the new films and GT, the replacement of SS and Freeza in general are simply the most notable ones.

[ZeroTheSuperSaiyan]

but the fact of the matter is the only thing RF/FnF do that makes a plot hole for GT is the blue hair as for Freeza not going golden in GT remember that he and Cell was only ment to keep goku busy in hell until the hole between worlds closed

Freeza isn't even the type of character to "just keep Goku busy". There's a laundry list of inconsistencies between the new films and GT, the replacement of SS and Freeza in general are simply the most notable ones.

I guess but like I also said ''Akira Toriyama a man well known for forgeting things he previously did with his franchises, trying to make a consitant canon is a fools errand''

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Yes it was (and Bardock vs Freeza scene continues to be part of the manga). Don't overstate things you don't know.

It's obvious you have a thing for Bardock, but there is no reason to be rude on such subjects. Nothing ever stated that the entirety of the Bardock TV Special was included within the manga's continuity. The only thing those two panels ever directly implied is that those two specific scenes occurred within the manga, and everything else is up in the air.

[bubibartra]

first ever post HELLO Kanzenshuu form

on topic me and a friend were discusing this very same thing about trying to still fit GT into the canon as we are fans of GT and we came up with many theorys to make it fit, from the SSJGSSJ form in Resurrection F/Fukkatsu no F being an un-mastered mix if SSJ & God Ki and once mastered their hair goes blond again to Goku not being able to use it in GT due to his child like body not being able to handle the power (there were a lot more we came up with and if your interested I can tell you them) but the fact of the matter is the only thing RF/FnF do that makes a plot hole for GT is the blue hair as for Freeza not going golden in GT remember that he and Cell was only ment to keep goku busy in hell until the hole between worlds closed

And Vegeta also become a child in GT?

vegeta uses SSJ2 can use the SSGSS? also, Vegeta base in FnF is far superior to a SSJ2. In fact, Vegeta base in FnF is stronger than a SSJ3....

this theory does not work considering Vegeta.

[bubibartra]

Wait there are people that want GT to fit in with BoG/RoF? Why? Why do you want that?

Okay, I'm a fan of Star Wars expanded universe but I know that does not fit with the new stories of the next films, I see EU-Star wars as a "side history" and not try to fit in anything, is a "side history", end

[Tectorman]

Wait there are people that want GT to fit in with BoG/RoF? Why? Why do you want that?

Okay, I'm a fan of Star Wars expanded universe but I know that does not fit with the new stories of the next films, I see EU-Star wars as a "side history" and not try to fit in anything, is a "side history", end

I haven't read Star Wars Crucible yet (Crucible being the last EU novel written), but the back cover implies that Luke, Han, and Leia are on some manner of adventure involving a universe-level threat, capable of, among other things, possibly time-travel. So it might not turn out like this (please, no spoilers), but it could be that they took a page out of Abrams's book and put the EU into continuity, though not in sequence, with the new Star Wars movies by having a reset event tying the two continuities together. Maybe. I suspect I'm going to be disappointed, that the EU is totally isolated from Star Wars 7, but until I read the book, I can always hope.

...

Actually, that could be a way to make GT and the new movies into the same continuity, though not in sequence. Whis is a walking reset button, after all. Maybe his GT self created a do-over and told the Oracle Fish to tell Beers about a SSJG rival, setting into motion the BoG/RoF timeline.

Probably too convenient an explanation.

[ZeroTheSuperSaiyan]

first ever post HELLO Kanzenshuu form

on topic me and a friend were discusing this very same thing about trying to still fit GT into the canon as we are fans of GT and we came up with many theorys to make it fit, from the SSJGSSJ form in Resurrection F/Fukkatsu no F being an un-mastered mix if SSJ & God Ki and once mastered their hair goes blond again to Goku not being able to use it in GT due to his child like body not being able to handle the power (there were a lot more we came up with and if your interested I can tell you them) but the fact of the matter is the only thing RF/FnF do that makes a plot hole for GT is the blue hair as for Freeza not going golden in GT remember that he and Cell was only ment to keep goku busy in hell until the hole between worlds closed

And Vegeta also become a child in GT?

vegeta uses SSJ2 can use the SSGSS? also, Vegeta base in FnF is far superior to a SSJ2. In fact, Vegeta base in FnF is stronger than a SSJ3....

this theory does not work considering Vegeta.

like i said we came up with a few they were just some of them but the theory we setteled on was that taking DBO or XenoVerse as part of the canon, the fight with the time breakers fractured the time line in the same way trunks did, creating an new time line where the events of BoG and/or FnF never happened thus GT happens in a time line where Goku and/or Vegeta never went SSJG and instead went SSJ4

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Xenoverse specifically states their time travel shenanigans don't cause timeline splits. Those are caused by primitive/incomplete time machines, which none of the characters are using in that game. They either use magic or time machines buit by the Time Kaioshin to avoid that exact issue.

DBO has another set of problems. It's specifically stated to be a continuation of the manga (because they didn't have the anime's rights), but despite that, it has continuity issues with Toriyama's newer material (Jaco/BOG/ROF). So it's questionable if any of those events would even happen to begin with, as well as if any of the potential timeline splits caused by the events in the game could lead to a GT like timeline (disregarding the rights issue) with some of the more basic changes. Like how GT's afterlife functions, which shouldn't be tweaked by the type of alternate timelines we see in the series.

[ZeroTheSuperSaiyan]

Xenoverse specifically states their time travel shenanigans don't cause timeline splits. Those are caused by primitive/incomplete time machines, which none of the characters are using in that game. They either use magic or time machines buit by the Time Kaioshin to avoid that exact issue.

true but they also state that these changes create time shards where the changed timeline continues to exsist in it's own pocket reality, this is the basis for the parallel quests in the game so me and my friend think either GT or FnF takes place in one of these pocket realitys

[TheDevilsCorpse]

It's been awhile since I played that part of the game (and sadly I can't go back and play it again without starting everything over), but aren't the Parallel Quests/Runaway Time Fragments destined to explode unless the Time Patrollers go an do their thing?

[ZeroTheSuperSaiyan]

It's been awhile since I played that part of the game (and sadly I can't go back and play it again without starting everything over), but aren't the Parallel Quests/Runaway Time Fragments destined to explode unless the Time Patrollers go an do their thing?

I'm not sure I don't remember that?

but as for your other point you can re-do the story mode anytime you like just go to the Time Vault in the Time Nest and you can replay any time patrol mission with any of your characters, it even reshows cutscenes with whatever character you are using, I'm currently redoing it with my Majin character

[TheDevilsCorpse]

No, I'm not talking about replaying the story mode itself. I'm aware of the Time Vault. The dialogue about what happens when you don't deal with them comes from a Trunks interaction near the Parallel Quest station (where Taino usually is) early in the game. You can't retrigger these events without restarting the game though.