Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Polyphase Avatron]

Well if you get in a surprise attack and catch someone off-guard a much weaker person can beat a much stronger person. Like how Sorbet hurt Goku with his ring.

[Doctor.]

Like how Sorbet hurt Goku with his ring.

Don't remind me of that major inconsistency, please.

[sintzu]

Don't remind me of that major inconsistency, please.

Krillin was able to hurt a Ssj Goku with a rock.

[rereboy]

Don't remind me of that major inconsistency, please.

Krillin was able to hurt a Ssj Goku with a rock.

That's filler.

In the manga, kid Goku took surprise bullets to the head and even rockets, without getting hurt, just some pain.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Don't remind me of that major inconsistency, please.

Krillin was able to hurt a Ssj Goku with a rock.

That's filler.

In the manga, kid Goku took surprise bullets to the head and even rockets, without getting hurt, just some pain.

Isn't pain the same thing as hurt?

[GoldLiger]

Not if the pain is only surface deep.

[rereboy]

Isn't pain the same thing as hurt?

Being hurt can mean actual injury. Some pain is just some pain. Even a normal slap can cause pain, but not an injury.

[Gyt Kaliba]

To be honest, that sounds like needless nitpicking though. Bulma's slap still hurt Goku at the end of Battle of Gods for example. It shouldn't matter that he wasn't injured by it, it did hurt him, and enough so that he didn't want to get hit any more. By the same token, Bulma's hand didn't explode from the mere act of hitting him either. It seems pretty clear to me that a gap in power is not going to automatically mean a weaker person is incapable of getting a good shot in on a much stronger person if they catch them unaware.

[ekrolo2]

To be honest, that sounds like needless nitpicking though. Bulma's slap still hurt Goku at the end of Battle of Gods for example. It shouldn't matter that he wasn't injured by it, it did hurt him, and enough so that he didn't want to get hit any more. By the same token, Bulma's hand didn't explode from the mere act of hitting him either. It seems pretty clear to me that a gap in power is not going to automatically mean a weaker person is incapable of getting a good shot in on a much stronger person if they catch them unaware.

Goku most likely relaxed himself considerably where as he probably had his guard up during most of the movie, so her slapping him in his relaxed base form isn't really the same as a f*cking ring blasting SSGSS Goku who's fighting Freeza.

[GeeRod]

Kuririn didn't cut Freeza's tail when his guard was down? What is the problem that Goku got injured by Sorbet?

[rereboy]

To be honest, that sounds like needless nitpicking though. Bulma's slap still hurt Goku at the end of Battle of Gods for example. It shouldn't matter that he wasn't injured by it, it did hurt him, and enough so that he didn't want to get hit any more. By the same token, Bulma's hand didn't explode from the mere act of hitting him either. It seems pretty clear to me that a gap in power is not going to automatically mean a weaker person is incapable of getting a good shot in on a much stronger person if they catch them unaware.

Except that's clearly not a serious scene at all, and something like that exists more for light humor than anything else.

Imo, something like that is completely incomparable to an actual serious fighting moment.

Kuririn didn't cut Freeza's tail when his guard was down? What is the problem that Goku got injured by Sorbet?

Kienzan was demonstrated to be able to cut vastly stronger opponents than Krillin. It had nothing to do with Freeza letting his guard down.

[GeeRod]

Kuririn didn't cut Freeza's tail when his guard was down? What is the problem that Goku got injured by Sorbet?

Kienzan was demonstrated to be able to cut vastly stronger opponents than Krillin. It had nothing to do with Freeza letting his guard down.

So what? Sorbet's ring may be powerful enough to injury a very strong opponent. Stop trying to find inconsistence everywhere...is annoying.

[Gyt Kaliba]

The scenes are very different, yes, but it doesn't change the fact that they both happen, and involve someone much weaker inflicting pain of any kind on someone much stronger. Goku may have been in a transformed state, but from the way the scene sounds like it's set up, Freeza's before him. He has no reason to expect an attack from behind. Therefore, he was caught off guard, and an attack that might not normally do anything to him apparently did.

[Bonus Stage]

New Weekly Shonen Jump Scan # 22-23/2015

[Ajay]

Still working on my proper review, but I wrote up a load of general thoughts. They're not in any order or anything, but hopefully you'll get a general overview of how I felt, and maybe some extra info.

Spoiler:

- Pilaf bringing Freeza's eye to Sorbet and Tagoma is amazing. Their freaked out reaction as it opens to stare at them is wonderful.

- Maximum the Hormones' 'F' feels very out of place as it plays during Freeza's emergence from the tank. His revival is pretty cool, though. You can see his muscles growing back. It's pretty grim, but I guess it works in making the audience feel uncomfortable.

- It's very strange to see Freeza walking around in his first form. His wiggling tail is very creepy.

- As he announces he's going to train, he's surrounded by a very fierce aura. Lots of beautiful effects and sounds. Short but sweet.

- Jaco spends a majority of the time interacting with Bulma. Their dynamic is a highlight of the film. They're hilarious together.

- Jaco's drawing of Freeza is amazingly bad.

- Kuririn's bike chase is surprisingly cool. Tanaka's Kuririn is sounding a lot like Luffy, though.

- One Piece theme tune ringtone!!

- Physically seeing Kuririn with half a shaved head is very weird. 18 and Kuririn's interactions are pleasant. Her 'cool' or 'handsome' (kakkoii?) line as he flies off is cute.

- Bulma going off on Freeza is amazing. Jaco is absolutely mortified at her actions. I noticed that the Kanzenshuu summary says Kuririn tells her that Freeza has powered up, but unless I'm misremembering, it's Gohan who says that to her. I distinctly remember laughing at his 'sumimasen' since Bulma turns to Freeza is yells 'GOMENNASAIIIIII!!’ My Japanese isn't great so maybe I missed something.

- The mass battle is amazing. Kame Sen'nin's staff breaking after some fancy moves is hilarious. Jaco spinning around in circles firing off his gun only to stand up and strike a fancy pose is just perfect for his character.

- Duplicates in Freeza's CGI army are extremely obvious and very unsightly.

- Kuririn having a George of the Jungle moment and crashing into a tree is amazing. Gohan saving him afterwards is very cool. Don't think we've ever seen time slow down for everyone but the character in Dragon Ball?

- Piccolo crushing enemies with his weighted clothing is yet another comedy highlight. Lots of Toriyama-esque gags in this segment. Though maybe Yamamuro, going by that Imagine-Nation interview?

- Gohan seems to get the most screen time in the section. His transformation scene as he steps in for Piccolo against Shisami is great. Horrifying when Freeza kills him. Sumitomo's score really stands out in that part. Extremely dark.

- Goku and Vegeta fighting Whis is one of the best parts of the film. The animation combined with the setting is beautiful. Lots of flowers and trees, petals flying around. Really pretty stuff. I don't think we've seen proper 2 vs 1 fighting in the series for a while. Not with this amount of fluidity, at least.

- Whis making total fools of Goku and Vegeta is nice to see. Really makes you want to see Whis in action properly. Maybe in the third film? Feels like such a tease as is.

- Beerus destroying a planet by sneezing is perfect. As is his drooling over pizza.

- Beerus and Whis are totally drawn in by Bulma's sundae offering after the Oracle Fish tells them about the message. Very funny moment when they call her back and she starts shouting at them.

- Vegeta's hesitance to hold Goku's hand is great. He looks so embarrassed and pulls his hand away the second they arrive at the scene.

- Kame Sen'nin's bulky muscles seem to shrink in fear once Freeza transforms. Quite a funny bit.

- Lots of chanting in Sumitomo's score this time around.

- Jaco's reaction after Bulma points out the Saiyans is another great moment.

- Goku talks very low for a lot of the later parts of the film. Very serious side of the character that wasn't present in Battle of Gods. Quite cocky at times, too.

- Similarly, Vegeta is very serious and stern this time. Lots of power behind Horikawa's performance.

- Similar shot to Battle of Gods - http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/ ... 40-360.jpg - Goku stood against Freeza but against the clouds.

- Animation is a significant improvement over Battle of Gods. CGI aside, a lot of the film is very pretty. Despite Yamamuro's reluctance to actually move the camera, the movement within the static shots is highly detailed. It's like real kung fu in the air. I liked it, but I wished it felt more dynamic.

- Both transformations felt a bit underwhelming. Sumitomo's chanty music tries to spice things up a bit, but it lacks the power that we had in the series. Battle of Gods was fairly similar. I think the issue is that there's no real struggle behind them, they just kinda happen. They do look very cool, I'll give them that. I'm all for the Blueper Saiyan and Golden PokeFreeza.

- Freeza acknowledging Beerus was amusing but felt out of place. Shen Long's reaction felt strange in Battle of Gods, too. I understand they're trying to establish this character, but it's at the cost of making familiar characters act in a way we're not used to. In the middle of a fierce battle, it's a bit incongruous.

- Fighting on top of a volcano and underwater was cool. The latter especially as it reminded me of the original Freeza arc.

- Amazing music as Goku takes a direct punch to the face before one-inch punching Freeza. Scenes that follow this are very impressive. Very detailed throws and jabs. Fast paced, too, so they feel like they belong.

- Freeza's tantrum after being Kamehameha'd is indescribable. Nakao absolutely kills it. It's truly horrifying. I was actually a bit disappointed that he just falls to his knees afterwards. A proper last ditch fight after that would have been amazing. I guess it might have lessened Vegeta's moment, though.

- Goku being shot through the heart still took me by surprise even though I knew it was coming. Freeza beating the ever loving crap out of him afterwards is horrible. Nozawa absolutely nails the screams. They're truly painful in the best way.

- Again, Vegeta's transformation feels a bit lacklustre. Maybe because I knew it was coming? Either way, the beat down that follows is amazing. The ramped slow mo effect is very unusual, but I really appreciated it. It's nice to have a battle fought on the ground, for once.

- Beams of fire shooting out of the earth are a nice call-back to Namek.

- No real tension following this as the information about being able to restore planets is always in the back of your minds. Even if you didn't remember that from earlier in the film, it's Dragon Ball, you know how these things work. Would have preferred a tenser fight rather than relying on contrivances like this. If this was released in chronological order, then sure, but it doesn't work nearly as well with the information we have.

- Cheesy black and white rewind and the weird half CG/half animation Kamehameha saves the day. Feels a bit like an anti-climax.

- Funny character interaction at the end between Goku and Vegeta. Vegeta isn't happy about Goku stealing that kill. Nothing to open up new doors for a sequel. Feels like a neatly tied up Toei film ending.

- Freeza's post-credits 'noooooooo' is perfect.

Should have the full review wrapped up within the hour! It's a bit more critical that this might lead you to believe, though.

[rereboy]

The scenes are very different, yes, but it doesn't change the fact that they both happen, and involve someone much weaker inflicting pain of any kind on someone much stronger.

By that reasoning we would have to take every gag and humorous scene seriously since they "happened", which is precisely why I don't agree with that reasoning.

Goku may have been in a transformed state, but from the way the scene sounds like it's set up, Freeza's before him. He has no reason to expect an attack from behind. Therefore, he was caught off guard, and an attack that might not normally do anything to him apparently did.

When Goku reached Oolong's village, a villager hit Goku's head with an axe from behind and Goku wasn't expecting that at all. It just caused him some pain, that's all. Following the logic in this movie, he would be seriously injured.

When storming the red ribbon base Goku took bullets from snipers from places he didn't expect at all. They just caused him some pain, that's all. Following the logic in this movie, he would be seriously injured.

[Lord Beerus]

- Beerus destroying a planet by sneezing is perfect. As is his drooling over pizza.

That happened!?

Oh. My. God.

[rereboy]

So what? Sorbet's ring may be powerful enough to injury a very strong opponent. Stop trying to find inconsistence everywhere...is annoying.

A laser ring that can seriously injure or kill someone as powerful as Goku? Why don't they just focus on arming the soldiers with laser rings then? No one would be able to resist them.

The inconsistency easily pops out for itself, I don't need to look for it. And telling people to stop using logical arguments to criticize the plot of the movie just sounds like you are uncomfortable hearing critique.

[Doctor.]

To be honest, that sounds like needless nitpicking though. Bulma's slap still hurt Goku at the end of Battle of Gods for example. It shouldn't matter that he wasn't injured by it, it did hurt him, and enough so that he didn't want to get hit any more. By the same token, Bulma's hand didn't explode from the mere act of hitting him either. It seems pretty clear to me that a gap in power is not going to automatically mean a weaker person is incapable of getting a good shot in on a much stronger person if they catch them unaware.

But it does, it isn't a needless nitpick. Yamcha got a shot on God; Kuririn and Gohan got a shot on Nappa; Vegeta got a shot on second form Freeza; most of them hurt but they didn't cause any significant damage to their opponents; it has been established that if your opponents are so weak, they can't hurt you. That example you gave was just a gag moment, this was serious business; it would be like Mr. Satan coming in when Goku was fighting Cell and explode Cell into pieces with a rocket launcher, except the gap there would probably be smaller than the gap between Sorbet and Goku.

[Polyphase Avatron]

The scenes are very different, yes, but it doesn't change the fact that they both happen, and involve someone much weaker inflicting pain of any kind on someone much stronger.

By that reasoning we would have to take every gag and humorous scene seriously since they "happened", which is precisely why I don't agree with that reasoning.

Goku may have been in a transformed state, but from the way the scene sounds like it's set up, Freeza's before him. He has no reason to expect an attack from behind. Therefore, he was caught off guard, and an attack that might not normally do anything to him apparently did.

When Goku reached Oolong's village, a villager hit Goku's head with an axe from behind and Goku wasn't expecting that at all. It just caused him some pain, that's all. Following the logic in this movie, he would be seriously injured.

When storming the red ribbon base Goku took bullets from snipers from places he didn't expect at all. They just caused him some pain, that's all. Following the logic in this movie, he would be seriously injured.

Actually I think the explanation for that is that Saiyans are naturally tougher than humans and can survive things like that but without mastering the use of ki their basic durability is still not very high. Once they could master ki they can survive much tougher things unless their guard is down.