Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[dbgtFO]

Thanks for the review Ajay!
I just want to know, if the SSGSS hair color is the same as it was in those screenshots you posted and not the colour it is in Doctor's avatar.
Starting to remind me of Broly and his inconsistent hair colour with Xenoverse, Zenkai Battle Royale, trailers and promos failing to have a consistent coulour...

[Piririn]

I'm pretty sure freeza's blast vaporized earth,so it wasnt namek style explosion,aka a core bust.

According to Kanzenshuu's current movie summary: "Freeza sends a ball of energy straight into the ground below him. The Earth’s crust cracks and distorts, revealing magma underneath that rushes to the surface. Earth is engulfed in fire, and explodes in a giant shockwave."

[buutenks]

I'm pretty sure freeza's blast vaporized earth,so it wasnt namek style explosion,aka a core bust.

According to Kanzenshuu's current movie summary: "Freeza sends a ball of energy straight into the ground below him. The Earth’s crust cracks and distorts, revealing magma underneath that rushes to the surface. Earth is engulfed in fire, and explodes in a giant shockwave."

Hmm,ye i guess it had some reaction,so yes proly not vaporized.

Well either way,vegeta surely died,now weather it was from lack of air or heat of the planet or the shockwave idk.

[fadeddreams5]

Clearly Toriyama and/or Toei's writers simply don't give a fabulous flying fishstick about fans' preconceptions on power gaps and damage feasibility.

This. Of all the things to criticize about RoF's plot, I don't think the prospect of Freeza's top grunt being able to shoot a ki blast through Goku's Saiyan physiology specifically while his guard happens to be down is one of them.

It kind of is. Imagine if when Goku arrived to Namek, a random minion spotted and head-shotted him while he was off-guard.

This whole being-off-guard-results-in-becoming-weak-enough-to-be-killed-by-a-mook thing was pulled out of their asses for this movie. The only other time this was a thing was in that one filler episode where Krillin hits Goku with a rock, which was clearly a joke scene. On or off guard, Goku should be able to sense ki and react fast enough to evade or block any beam thrown at him, unless it's from Beerus, Whis, or Vegeta.

The worst part about this is that it applies to Frieza as well. Basically, any minion could have killed him at any time in the past. Or how about the androids from Trunks' time? They can't even sense Ki, so idk why Trunk didn't just ki snipe them...

[buutenks]

Heh,the off guard thing was obviously some plot stupidity to make goku lose but not lose to freeza;s power directly so vegeta can stand a chance without being stronger than goku ^^

Best not to think to much about it.

[ShadowWolf87]

Spoiler:

- Kuririn having a George of the Jungle moment and crashing into a tree is amazing. Gohan saving him afterwards is very cool.

At this point I dunno why I expected them to not have something like that in there for him... -sigh-

[Saiga]

Clearly Toriyama and/or Toei's writers simply don't give a fabulous flying fishstick about fans' preconceptions on power gaps and damage feasibility.

More like them not caring about being consistent with the original manga. Because several examples have already been used to show the inconsistency, it's not just fan perception.

[Sparko33]

Heh,the off guard thing was obviously some plot stupidity to make goku lose but not lose to freeza;s power directly so vegeta can stand a chance without being stronger than goku ^^

Best not to think to much about it.

except for the fact that Vegeta and Goku are pretty close in power this time round, so he'd probably would have been able to take on a full Freeza just like Goku did; let's not over-think things now...

[Lord Beerus]

Clearly Toriyama and/or Toei's writers simply don't give a fabulous flying fishstick about fans' preconceptions on power gaps and damage feasibility.

This. Of all the things to criticize about RoF's plot, I don't think the prospect of Freeza's top grunt being able to shoot a ki blast through Goku's Saiyan physiology specifically while his guard happens to be down is one of them.

It kind of is. Imagine if when Goku arrived to Namek, a random minion spotted and head-shotted him while he was off-guard.

If that happened, it would be a case of Reality Ensues. I mean, it doesn't matter how strong you are, dropping your guard leaves you vulnerable; and a surprise attack could be fatal.

[Saiyan007]

I mean, it doesn't matter how strong you are, dropping your guard leaves you vulnerable; and a surprise attack could be fatal.

So Goku dropping his guard to make himself billions of times weaker while still in his God form so his power lvl can be weaker than Zarbon,while Golden Freeza is still in front of him makes sense?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Been looking through Volume F. Lots of fun stuff in there, even when you can't read it. One of the parts I find most interesting is the little timeline-esque section they have. While Bardock and Gine's pictures on the family tree section are taken from Dragon Ball Minus, they don't seem to visually acknowledge those events anywhere else in the section (presumably to ignore the hell out of the contradictions). It has a lot of the expected dates, like the various years Freeza was defeated and when he destroyed planet Vegeta (in the apparently ignoring the actual events of Jaco continuity), but places Resurrection F around AGE 779 and apparently the interaction with Beerus and Freeza was around AGE 731? Obviously can't read the text, but it shows an image of Beerus, Whis and Golden Freeza (the portion where Freeza recognizes him?). Kinda interesting, as this should be right around when Freeza was annexing the Saiyans via most of the series' timelines...

[Lord Beerus]

I mean, it doesn't matter how strong you are, dropping your guard leaves you vulnerable; and a surprise attack could be fatal.

So Goku dropping his guard to make himself billions of times weaker while still in his God form so his power lvl can be weaker than Zarbon,while 4th form Freeza is still in front of him makes sense?

Remember when Yajirobe was able to slice through Oozaru Vegeta's tail? Or when Krillin cut of second form Freeza's tail? Or when Yajirobe cut throw Vegeta's armor and sliced his back? Or when Piccolo drop kicked final form Freeza into a river?

The power gap in all those scenarios was immense and in all of those scenarios, the combatant that got injured was not expecting that attack to happen.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

Didn't we have an in-universe/battle power thread for this movie?

No one seems to have explicitly said this yet, but I think a big reason for why people are finding a lot of the criticism for this movie so intolerable is because a good portion of it seems to centre around strength comparisons. I honestly don't mind if people have a few issues with it, since it can have an effect on whether you fully invest yourself in the story, but there just seems to be so much emphasis on it.

Back to the movie itself, I read an article on Cinema Today yesterday, that was reporting that DBZ was again the fastest to sell a million tickets for its respective year (so far, anyway).

I'm on my phone right now, so please excuse the lack of a link, as well any typos that might be around...

[Saiyan007]

I mean, it doesn't matter how strong you are, dropping your guard leaves you vulnerable; and a surprise attack could be fatal.

So Goku dropping his guard to make himself billions of times weaker while still in his God form so his power lvl can be weaker than Zarbon,while 4th form Freeza is still in front of him makes sense?

Remember when Yajirobe was able to slice through Oozaru Vegeta's tail? Or when Krillin cut of second form Freeza's tail? Or when Yajirobe cut throw Vegeta's armor and sliced his back? Or when Piccolo drop kicked final form Freeza into a river?

The power gap in all those scenarios was immense and in all of those scenarios, the combatant that got injured was not expecting that attack to happen.

1.Tails are saiyans weak points

2.Krillin's destructo disk has been shown to have no limit on who's durability it can bypass,Base Goku used it on Buutenks when through him with ease

3.Vegeta was nearly half dead at the time so the power gap wasn't that huge

4.Yeah i also remember Piccolo doing no damage to Freeza at all

[Marlowe89]

It kind of is. Imagine if when Goku arrived to Namek, a random minion spotted and head-shotted him

Why would that ever happen in a fictional story though (particularly without the plot significance demonstrated here when Sorbet caught Goku off-guard)? To me, that's like lamenting the fact that the bad guys in a shounen manga like Naruto aren't instantly killed by a surprise kunai to the neck.

I just can't help but feel like some people are a little on the defensive due to the possibility that preconceptions they've held for so long have effectively been rendered irrelevant by an authoritative source.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Question about Volume F: Does it really mention the JSAT & EoB? Does it mention anything other work?

In the manga, kid Goku took surprise bullets to the head and even rockets, without getting hurt, just some pain.

It is implied that Goku can tank bullets because of his Saiyan skin been hard enough, not because of his battle power.

Sorbet's ki blast hurting Goku when ki isn't protecting his body means that his ki blast was more powerful than a bullet.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Question about Volume F: Does it really mention the JSAT & EoB? Does it mention anything other work?

I can't read the text itself, but that's part of the family tree section. It shows the familial and minion relationships between the relevant parties (Goku, Vegeta, Freeza) and then shoves Tarble, Abo, Kado, Chilled, Kurieza, Coola's Armored Squad and Coola himself in a disjointed box that at least acknowledges them.

[Dyno]

I would like to see an image of that Bardock and Gine section. But oh well...

Hope Raditz is there too, finally the family united.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

There's no point. Its just portions of the original panels. Bardock's is from the the panel where he's dodging the alien "Death Beams" and Gine's is one of her shocked panels.

And yes, Raditz is there. That's the point of a family tree.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I can't read the text itself, but that's part of the family tree section. It shows the familial and minion relationships between the relevant parties (Goku, Vegeta, Freeza) and then shoves Tarble, Abo, Kado, Chilled, Kurieza, Coola's Armored Squad and Coola himself in a disjointed box that at least acknowledges them.

Do we have a picture of this?