Official DBZ 2015 Movie Power Discussion: "Resurrection F"

[ZombieVito]

Why training?! Is it hard to believe that Shisami is a new recruit, stronger than the rest?! At least, that's how i think.

He apparently was stated to be on par with Zarbon.

He had to train for 4 months as well.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Why training?! Is it hard to believe that Shisami is a new recruit, stronger than the rest?! At least, that's how i think.

Sorbet said that he & Tagoma are on par with Zarbon & Dodoria at the time of Freeza's revival, and 1st Form Freeza easily killed Tagoma.

[FortuneSSJ]

Oh, I didn't know that. My bad then.

We still don't have confirmation about their training?
Some time ago, I read comments saying Freeza did gravity training. Don't know if thats true.

[jcogginsa]

Shisame and Tagoma being on par with Zarbon and Dodoria was said in a way where it wasn't explicitly refering to power levels.

[supercat]

Shisame and Tagoma being on par with Zarbon and Dodoria was said in a way where it wasn't explicitly refering to power levels.

Although I'm sure it certainly is possible there were other factors being compared, the fact that first form Frieza (prior to training) was able to finish off Tagoma so easily implies that both Shisami and Tagoma are still well below first form Frieza -- which means even if they are above Zarbon in strength, it probably isn't a very significant gap. Therefore, strength being the topic of comparison here seems the most logical.

[Hugo Boss]

Freeza was impressed that a Super Saiyan managed to defeat Shisami, meaning that Shisami is stronger than Freeza was on Namek. Shisami most likely did training during these months, like Freeza.

It seems that Freeza was surprised that Gohan was able to transform, in fact. Is Shisame's training real? I don't remember to have read it in the detailed summary. He is supposed to be equal to Dodoria in ability at least.

[ZombieVito]

He battled with Piccolo evenly and Gohan had to transform into Super Saiyan to defeat him.

He is not Zarbon level on Earth, no way.

[saunasolmu]

So... Base Gohan is stronger than Piccolo? He could finish the whole army in an instant but Piccolo is struggling against Shisami.

Spoiler:

Piccolo is having a hard time against Shisami, the best warrior in Freeza’s army.

Sorbet: “I-I can’t believe it!...These guys are…!”
Freeza: “There’s nothing surprising about it. If he felt like it, Son Goku’s son over there could finish them all in an instant.

Sorbet: “I'm-Impossible…Even Shisami’s no match…”
Freeza: “You’ve only ever seen videos of Super Saiyans, so you can’t really know how fearsome they truly are. Still, I didn’t expect that the son would also be able to transform.”

[Doctor.]

So... Base Gohan is stronger than Piccolo? He could finish the whole army in an instant but Piccolo is struggling against Shisami.

Spoiler:

Piccolo is having a hard time against Shisami, the best warrior in Freeza’s army.

Sorbet: “I-I can’t believe it!...These guys are…!”
Freeza: “There’s nothing surprising about it. If he felt like it, Son Goku’s son over there could finish them all in an instant.

Sorbet: “I'm-Impossible…Even Shisami’s no match…”
Freeza: “You’ve only ever seen videos of Super Saiyans, so you can’t really know how fearsome they truly are. Still, I didn’t expect that the son would also be able to transform.”

Gohan needed to use SSJ to defeat Shisami, so no.

[saunasolmu]

So... Base Gohan is stronger than Piccolo? He could finish the whole army in an instant but Piccolo is struggling against Shisami.

Spoiler:

Piccolo is having a hard time against Shisami, the best warrior in Freeza’s army.

Sorbet: “I-I can’t believe it!...These guys are…!”
Freeza: “There’s nothing surprising about it. If he felt like it, Son Goku’s son over there could finish them all in an instant.

Sorbet: “I'm-Impossible…Even Shisami’s no match…”
Freeza: “You’ve only ever seen videos of Super Saiyans, so you can’t really know how fearsome they truly are. Still, I didn’t expect that the son would also be able to transform.”

Gohan needed to use SSJ to defeat Shisami, so no.

Freeza stated that Gohan could defeat all of his army in an instant without knowing he could go SSJ.

[Doctor.]

So... Base Gohan is stronger than Piccolo? He could finish the whole army in an instant but Piccolo is struggling against Shisami.

Spoiler:

Piccolo is having a hard time against Shisami, the best warrior in Freeza’s army.

Sorbet: “I-I can’t believe it!...These guys are…!”
Freeza: “There’s nothing surprising about it. If he felt like it, Son Goku’s son over there could finish them all in an instant.

Sorbet: “I'm-Impossible…Even Shisami’s no match…”
Freeza: “You’ve only ever seen videos of Super Saiyans, so you can’t really know how fearsome they truly are. Still, I didn’t expect that the son would also be able to transform.”

Gohan needed to use SSJ to defeat Shisami, so no.

Freeza stated that Gohan could defeat all of his army in an instant without knowing he could go SSJ.

Freeza was talking about the entire army besides Shisami; if Gohan could defeat him "in an instant" without SSJ, he would have.

[dbzfan7]

I would say Piccolo>Base Saiyans point....but it seems like the we now officially have both.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Wait, I just remembered something: Was the 1.87 million battle power about Freeza true after all, or it was false information?

[ZombieVito]

Wait, I just remembered something: Was the 1.87 million battle power about Freeza true after all, or it was false information?

It's false. It's not in the summary and Herms would have mentioned it if it was in the script.

[dbzfan7]

Wait, I just remembered something: Was the 1.87 million battle power about Freeza true after all, or it was false information?

From the script.

Freeza: “I’m a natural prodigy, so I’ve never trained, not even once. I’ve simply never needed to.”
Sorbet: “Yes…”
Freeza: “So I wonder what will happen…if I draw out my full potential through training…”
Sorbet: “Y-You can…become even stronger?...”
Freeza: “Is that so surprising? In my estimation, if I train hard for 4 months then…I should acquire a battle power of 1.30 million…”

The soldiers all tremble at this terrifying number.

Close up on Freeza as he sneers.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I see...

Where is everyone getting all these info from the script? Are they from past posts of Herms, or Herms is posting them somewhere?

[dbzfan7]

Wait, I just remembered something: Was the 1.87 million battle power about Freeza true after all, or it was false information?

It's false. It's not in the summary and Herms would have mentioned it if it was in the script.

It's in the Volume f script which I quoted above. However that could have been written out of the movie. I'd say unlikely cause then those other people who leaked that info would have nothing to go on.

[ZombieVito]

The editor from the movie has to be involved in Super... He just has to.

[Polyphase Avatron]

You know, I was thinking of something. This is mostly pure speculation, but bear with me on this:

Gohan was unsure if he could reach SSJ1 but did, so at the absolute minimum Gohan's PL would be 150 million (same as Goku on Namek). Probably a lot higher since he was also able to easily beat someone who was giving Piccolo trouble, and Piccolo was at that point stronger than 17 who was stronger than SSJ1 Vegeta and Trunks. Anyway, we can safely say that Gohan's PL at SSJ1 in RoF is higher than 150 million. Freeza in his first form was able to easily beat SSJ1 Gohan, so his power in that form would be even higher, but we don't how much higher. Anyway, on Namek, Freeza's full strength was 226.41509434 times stronger than his first form (120,000,000/530,000). Assuming that multiplier holds after his training, then in 4th form Freeza's PL cannot be any lower than 33,962,264,150 (and is probably much higher). We don't know how much his golden form increases his power but it would be even higher than that.

I wasn't sure if I should post this here or on the PLs thread.

[Hugo Boss]

Not to be nitpicky, but wasn't the number 1.37 million?

If this information was not included in the movie, maybe someone just decided that Mr. Toriyama's battle powers are off. I wonder if the team behind the scenes went in that kind of discussion with him. Anyway, I would like to see his position.