GT versus the new movies

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Personally, I love GT, almost as much as the original series, if not more. I like the unique character designs, I like the humorous tone of the 1st arc, I like Goku/Pan/Trunks as a team, I like Super Saiyan 4, I like the concept of Baby, I like the concept of Shadow Dragons, but I don't like the concept of 'Super Android #17' . I don't know why people complain about the 'Goku wanking', it's not like BoG or FnF are any better, in fact, they wank both Goku and Vegeta.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Well from how horrible FnF's plot was, and BoG's lack of a plot; GT isn't looking so bad at this point.

[SSJGFrieza]

GT doesn't even exist

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

If it doesn't exist, this thread wouldn't exist..

[fadeddreams5]

They both have good and awful ideas. However, the movies are actually fun. GT is boring.

[dae428]

I didn't necessarily hate Dragon Ball GT, but there were many things about the series that I just outright despised about it. The new Dragon Ball Z movies do have their own problems, but there was nothing (though I've yet to see the newest one) that really ruined the experience for me like Dragon Ball GT. Ultimately, the new movies were just a better experience for me than Dragon Ball GT.

[EXBadguy]

At first I prefer the new movies over GT, but after looking at BoG deeply(inconsistencies galore!) and the way FnF turned out(plot synopsis and the dumb transformations), I now prefer GT over the movies, basically becuz SSJ4's a better transformation and I find the stories more fun and consistent then both of the new movies combined, though that's only from Baby to the end, the first saga of GT is just as shitty as the new movies.

[Zephyr]

At first I prefer the new movies over GT, but after looking at BoG deeply(inconsistencies galore!) and the way FnF turned out(plot synopsis and the dumb transformations), I now prefer GT over the movies, basically becuz SSJ4's a better transformation and I find the stories more fun and consistent then both of the new movies combined, though that's only from Baby to the end, the first saga of GT is just as shitty as the new movies.

I really hope you aren't implying that the Super 17 arc is at all more consistent with the manga than the new films.

[EXBadguy]

I really hope you aren't implying that the Super 17 arc is at all more consistent with the manga than the new films.

You're right, that arc isn't that much consistent with the manga, but still beats the shit out of the two new movies when it comes to storytelling, it's more sensible compared to the new movies, even if the saga itself isn't really great. Even better than that Frieza transformation, the phoney SSG history crap, along with its ritual and the transformation itself. It's like they're purposely making shit up just for the freaking moolah. And the worst part about it is if Toei did the EXACT. SAME. THING. all hell would break lose here just like the riots that happened in Baltimore the other day.

For now on I call Ressurrection "F" the Freeza saga: The Recolored Edition.

[Hellspawn28]

I take Golden Freeza over Super 17. With Freeza, he was a major villain and felt like a major threat while #17 never did since he got over shadowed by Cell quickly. Having Freeza return and become stronger again made more sense then having the idea of fusing two #17's into one which always sound kinda dumb to me.

[vegitot]

BOGS introduced something could led to the new series.
ROF is useless

[90sDBZ]

I haven't seen RoF yet but BoG was awesome. To me both GT and BoG are great, and both have their place in the franchise. GT didn't start off great but it got much better after awhile. I will say that GT had a more consistent tone than BoG. I much preferred how Pilaf and co. were handled in GT to BoG were they felt out of place and stuck out like a sore thumb. Although some of the comedy scenes in BoG were hit and miss you gotta love a bit of "Bingo!".

[Baggie_Saiyan]

GT does not have Beeus and Whis and by that fact alone GT loses.

[sbk]

I have to agree

Same. I have yet to be impressed with anything recent and the acceptance of Super Saiyan God....*sigh*....Super Saiyan is very odd to me.

Feels like an elaborate trolling just to see how much nonsense the fans base will accept as long as Toriyama is attached to it, then again the series is so off the rails I have no idea what constitutes as nonsense anymore.

I'm going back to sulking now.

I don't like GT but the Baby Arc and the Shadow Dragons Arc are easily better than the movies

Super Saiyan God, SSSSSSSGSSSSSSS, the entire Revival of F plot, are stuff of bad fanfictions. I'm sad that all that mess is gonna carry over to the new series

Let me sulk too

[Zephyr]

SSJ4's a better transformation and I find the stories more fun and consistent then both of the new movies combined, though that's only from Baby to the end, the first saga of GT is just as shitty as the new movies.

I really hope you aren't implying that the Super 17 arc is at all more consistent with the manga than the new films.

You're right, that arc isn't that much consistent with the manga

So when you say you like GT more, you're saying you like select scattered bits of GT more.

It's like they're purposely making shit up just for the freaking moolah.

You can apply this statement to Dragon Ball at any point in its lifetime, any piece of work from any of the various authors, and it would be true.

still beats the shit out of the two new movies when it comes to storytelling, it's more sensible compared to the new movies, even if the saga itself isn't really great. Even better than that Freeza transformation, the phoney SSG history crap, along with its ritual and the transformation itself.

Care to elaborate on how it's better in regard to storytelling, how it is more sensible, or how it is better than Golden Freeza? I'm not sure what you mean by "phony". To be clear, I'm not saying that you're incorrect, but I'm curious as to what your reasoning is.

[Hellspawn28]

all hell would break lose here just like the riots that happened in Baltimore the other day.

Way too soon to make jokes about that. Some people here are close to Maryland and I don't take this post very lightly.

[EXBadguy]

all hell would break lose here just like the riots that happened in Baltimore the other day.

Way too soon to make jokes about that. Some people here are close to Maryland and I don't take this post very lightly.

Well, then I apologize to you, sir. I was only doing a comparison. Besides, I don't take those jokes lightly either, at least for now.

So when you say you like GT more, you're saying you like select scattered bits of GT more.

Well still, scattered bits of it still shits on the new movies.

You can apply this statement to Dragon Ball at any point in its lifetime, any piece of work from any of the various authors, and it would be true.

Nope, it depends. You can't just have established history(i.e. LSSJ) and then turn around and throw something else in.

Care to elaborate on how it's better in regard to storytelling, how it is more sensible, or how it is better than Golden Freeza? I'm not sure what you mean by "phony". To be clear, I'm not saying that you're incorrect, but I'm curious as to what your reasoning is.

It at least has story and details while the two movies have none(And I bet you know this too). All BoG did was have stupid gags and giggles and FnF is all about fighting and no story or character development, at all.

Plus as for the transformations, it's simple, Super 17 is an ACTUAL transformation when Golden Frieza's not. It's just a phony ripoff of his final form. "Super Evolution"? Dafuq is this shit. Super 17 actually has more interesting features like his arm decapitating to a machine gun, while what does Golden Frieza do, just more death beams and recolored balls. At least have those beams and balls have more elegance to them.

[Polyphase Avatron]

From what I've seen the animation on Freeza's attacks in RoF is actually very good-looking.

[Zephyr]

You can't just have established history(i.e. LSSJ) and then turn around and throw something else in.

This franchise has never shied away from doing this though. The manga adds all sorts of shit like alien origins, one new higher god after another, more and more powerful enemies out of nowhere, etc. The mere concept of the Dragon Balls going bad shits all over the concept of the Dragon Balls being beacons of hope, and it makes the gods out to be nigh-malicious assholes in their negligence to actually explain the risks of Dragon Ball overuse. The way the Buu arc depicts death-after-death is totally thrown out the window with the way GT handled death-after-death.

So I don't see how expanding the mythos of something and retconning things is something somehow unique to the new films that the manga and GT never do. Since they were always characteristic of the franchise, merely saying that the new films do these things does not suffice as reason for slighting them whilst championing the older material.

It at least has story and details while the two movies have none(And I bet you know this too). All BoG did was have stupid gags and giggles and FnF is all about fighting and no story or character development, at all.

I really don't know what you mean by 'story and details'. There are stories being told in the new films. There are plot details in the new films. We see an expansion of the pantheon and Saiyan mythology. There is character development for Vegeta, in that he is finally willing to sacrifice his dignity for the sake of his family and comrades. There is character development for Freeza, in that he finally realizes that he needs to improve himself. There is character development for Goku, in that he learns to not be as soft on his foes.

Also, please don't pretend that your subjective, very debatable perceptions are somehow "facts" that I "know".

Plus as for the transformations, it's simple, Super 17 is an ACTUAL transformation when Golden Freeza's not. It's just a phony ripoff of his final form. "Super Evolution"? Dafuq is this shit. Super 17 actually has more interesting features like his arm decapitating to a machine gun, while what does Golden Freeza do, just more death beams and recolored balls. At least have those beams and balls have more elegance to them.

Super 17's visual changes are certainly cool, and the machine gun arm is pretty sweet too. Let me remind you though that there are other physical changes to Freeza (albeit minimal), as well as the change to his aura.

I trust for the sake of consistency that you like the Super 17 transformation more than most of those in the manga.

[Zenkai]

I like both. How 'bout that?