"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Doctor.]

You should both calm down.

[Mystic Tien]

RF say's otherwise...

Yeah, Whis as well. Sorry, forgot about him.

It's not the thought of Piccolo getting a power up that bugs me, it's the bias thinking that it's perfectly logical and fine for him to catch up to Goku but it's apparently impossible for the humans too when they're at best a couple steps down from Piccolo who is a couple steps down from Trunks and Goten. Again, any power up that would be unbelievable for the humans would also be unbelievable for the Namekian. Hence why I don't care if we get an unbelievable thing that boosts the old guard back up to relevant fighting status!

Couple of steps? Piccolo's power level is arguably in the low billions, we don't even have confirmation that the humans even reached a million.

Thank you. Exactly my point. Piccolo is indeed on another level compared to the humans, not just one or two steps ahead of them. Yamucha is retired at this point, there's no point in even mentioning him anymore. Kuririn probably does very little training at this point, probably just enough to stay where he was at during the Cell Games. Tenshinhan, who knows. He trains constantly and is always getting stronger but we have no way at this point to even measure how strong he has become between Age 774-Age 784.

So Yamcha is retired, so he doesn't need to be mentioned, and Krillin retired, but he needs? Makes sense.

What degree of violence can we expect here? I don't want Dragon Ball to go Berserk, but all rainbows wouldn't be good either.

No blood at all. Like in RoF

[Vegitofaxx]

The only level of violence i wanted DBZ(and this applies to DBS too) was the amount seen in the manga. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Mystic Tien]

Agreed! I'm hoping people like Yamcha, Krillin and Tenshinhan can get in on the fun as well.

I guess its a lost cause for Yamcha, unfortunately! With ROF we reached the point where Roshi is more useful than him.
His character just keeps going down. He finally would have the chance to kick some asses (Freeza soldiers) and Toriyama just cut his legs.

Dick move, Tori. Dick move!

Roshi is not more useful than Yamcha, and he is not useful at all for a long time now. I don't know why Toriyama tossed Yamcha out of the movie. And I hate it.

[Chuquita]

I don't know about blood, but a bad guy death count isn't out of the question. Toei's precure just went back to having the heroes killing off the sub-boss villains instead of purifying them for the first time in years (followed the next week by an episode about donuts and absurdity, because of course it was. It was a good absurd donut ep too. ^^; ). If Flora's got a death count on her hands I don't see why the cast on Dragon Ball Super may not.

[Mystic Tien]

More ideas for the new show? I know he was filler but Paikuhan would be a cool way to introduce someone strong without being cheap. Idk how you would work that into it though.

I'd certainly love for Paikuhan to make an appearance in DBS. But I agree, it would be difficult to find a way at fitting him in the story.

To be fair, it could be done with a wish by goku. King Kai says he needs to come back because his planet's in danger or something. He could have been training all this time too, and 10 years of peace+the time between Cell and end of Buu is a better excuse. (By that I mean training for years vs 4 months)

Paikuhan doesn't exist in Toriyama's mind, so if show is indeed written by him, then no Paikuhan or any other anime-only character.

[Marlowe89]

Sadly it'll probably just be the Goku and Vegeta show.

And how exactly is this a problem? I'd love to see some focus on the new generation as much as the next guy, but let's not pretend it's a necessity. Goku and Vegeta are fantastic in the main spotlight.

[Doctor.]

Sadly it'll probably just be the Goku and Vegeta show.

And how exactly is this a problem? I'd love to see some focus on the new generation as much as the next guy, but let's not pretend it's a necessity. Goku and Vegeta are fantastic in the main spotlight.

Goku's the main character so it's to be expected, but don't act like Vegeta is too, there are people don't like Vegeta or care enough about him to ONLY see him in the spotlight.

[Chuquita]

Sadly it'll probably just be the Goku and Vegeta show.

And how exactly is this a problem? I'd love to see some focus on the new generation as much as the next guy, but let's not pretend it's a necessity. Goku and Vegeta are fantastic in the main spotlight.

I love the Gokû and Vegeta show. Especially post-BOG Vegeta. Ridiculous shenanigans can only come of this. :3
I've been wanting stuff from these two together from this era for a long time.

[ShadowWolf87]

Most of the intial character designs in GT were done by Toriyama. The ultra hated for no reason Mustache Vegeta? Toriyama designed that. Probably a lot of things done in GT, Toriyama had to approve, He has stated he enjoyed the series and enjoyed many of the things some fans complain about when it comes to GT. Sit and think on that. GT isn't 'from another universe' it's just an alternate timeline, like Future Trunk's time. It's all within the same universe and continuity, just different timelines. So please, for the sake of others who just want to enjoy new dragon ball, stow your hate away and just enjoy this for what it is. New Dragon Ball. New Dragon Ball that we actually know very little about, we don't even know if Toriyama is writing the entire thing...all we know is he has plotted Super.

Please, don't try to convince me with fake facts, Toriyama just supervised GT and did some character designs, I would like you to give me a link where proofs that he was the responsible for the "Ultra Hated Mustache Vegeta".

If he enjoyed this series much as he did with Bardock he wouldn't say that we can consider GT as a side-story. What is a side-story for you? For me is a alternate story that we could see as "What If" that pretty much sums what GT in fact is for Toriyama.

Having seen the designs in question at one point, I don't recall him giving Vegeta the mustache, or even the leather pants. Believe he drew him in blue jeans similar to what he mysteriously gained when he went SSJ4.

[Chuquita]

Toriyama may have expressed mustache-regret about Vegeta semi recently, but I'm not 100% sure.

[SansrivaaL]

I wouldnt mind a Goku show thats for sure since I grew up watching him from DB to DBZ

[Mystic Tien]

I don't know about blood, but a bad guy death count isn't out of the question. Toei's precure just went back to having the heroes killing off the sub-boss villains instead of purifying them for the first time in years. If Flora's got a death count on her hands I don't see why the cast on Dragon Ball Super may not.

I am pretty sure that all God Warriors are going to be killed in SoG (if they aren't, I'll be angry), and Saint Seiya Omega had plenty of deaths on-screen, and some of characters were even killed by main guys.

Toriyama may have expressed mustache-regret about Vegeta semi recently, but I'm not 100% sure.

He actually mistook his design of Vegeta from GT for his design of Vegeta in the end of his own manga.

Why did you choose this period?3
The fact is, I thought, “Man, I really made everyone old in the last chapter of the manga”. I even gave Vegeta a mustache (laughs). So, I chose this period because everyone had got to maximum strength. A few years after the “Majin Buu arc”, and before Pan’s birth.

Right here - http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... ma-sensei/

[sintzu]

Goku's the main character so it's to be expected, but don't act like Vegeta is too.

Saiyan saga : He was the main villain.

Freeza saga : He was the 2nd most used and powerful character after Goku.

Cell saga : His son killed Freeza and saved the future timeline alongside Gohan who saved the current timeline plus he was the one who helped Gohan finish off Cell alongside Goku.

Buu saga : Him&Goku were the 2 main characters for the 1/3&3/3 of the arc.

BOG : He was the only one king Kai contacted about Beerus and was the only one who was able to fight him without Ssjg.

FNF : He's equal to Goku in terms of importance and power and got to defeat Freeza.

As you can see Vegeta has been a main character since he was introduced and as long as Toriyama is in charge of things it's not going to change.

[Doctor.]

Goku's the main character so it's to be expected, but don't act like Vegeta is too.

Saiyan saga : He was the main villain.

Freeza saga : He was the 2nd most used and powerful character after Goku.

Cell saga : His son killed Freeza and saved the future timeline alongside Gohan who saved the current timeline plus he was the one who helped Gohan finish off Cell alongside Goku.

Buu saga : Him&Goku were the 2 main characters for the 1/3&3/3 of the arc

BOG : He was the only ne who was able to hold off Beerus without Ssjg.

FNF : He's equal to Goku in terms of importance and power and got to defeat Freeza.

As you can see Vegeta has been a main character since he was introduced and as long as Toriyama is in charge of things it's not going to change.

There's only one main character in Dragon Ball, and that's Goku. Vegeta has had just as much relevance as Gohan had.

[sintzu]

Vegeta has had just as much relevance as Gohan had.

Vegeta is way more important to the story then Gohan ever was.

[Mystic Tien]

Honestly I don't see it as being End of Z because we'd get less Goku/Vegeta that way and I don't know if that's what they're going for (I don't think so). In any case, I really hope it could be that timeframe, because that way I might be able to have Pan as a main character kicking some butt.

Won't happen, Pan is just some girl to be there like Videl, Lunch... (well, in Lunch's case not be there I guess) and Chichi, I guess.

[FortuneSSJ]

He actually mistook his design of Vegeta from GT for his design of Vegeta in the end of his own manga.

Why did you choose this period?3
The fact is, I thought, “Man, I really made everyone old in the last chapter of the manga”. I even gave Vegeta a mustache (laughs). So, I chose this period because everyone had got to maximum strength. A few years after the “Majin Buu arc”, and before Pan’s birth.

Right here - http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... ma-sensei/

Wait, don't tell me Toriyama doesn't want to continue after EOZ, because he thinks that GT older character designs are EOZ characters?!
Toriyama really said the characters are old in the end but damn, I hope he isn't confusing this.

[Mystic Tien]

He actually mistook his design of Vegeta from GT for his design of Vegeta in the end of his own manga.

Why did you choose this period?3
The fact is, I thought, “Man, I really made everyone old in the last chapter of the manga”. I even gave Vegeta a mustache (laughs). So, I chose this period because everyone had got to maximum strength. A few years after the “Majin Buu arc”, and before Pan’s birth.

Right here - http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... ma-sensei/

Wait, don't tell me Toriyama doesn't want to continue after EOZ, because he thinks that GT older character designs are EOZ characters?!
Damn, I hope not.

Well, these are his designs. So he may very well think so.

I don't know, people are still hooked on the 12 Universes thing, but I don't know, if we'll see that.

Why would he write such a thing if he wasn't going to do anything with it later on ?

He wrote a statement about Beerus being sealed by a guy not as strong as Buu, and did nothing with it until recently.

[Doctor.]

Vegeta has had just as much relevance as Gohan had.

Vegeta is way more important to the story then Gohan ever was.

Gohan actually defeated a main villain, lol.