"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Marlowe89]

Goku's the main character so it's to be expected, but don't act like Vegeta is too, there are people don't like Vegeta or care enough about him to ONLY see him in the spotlight.

I don't need to "act like" Vegeta's in the main spotlight, RoF does a perfectly good job of that for me. If you don't like the character, it's really your loss - his rivalry dynamic with Goku has had some incredibly strong emphasis over the course of the series and I don't see that going away anytime soon.

[bubibartra]

Sadly it'll probably just be the Goku and Vegeta show.

And how exactly is this a problem? I'd love to see some focus on the new generation as much as the next guy, but let's not pretend it's a necessity. Goku and Vegeta are fantastic in the main spotlight.

Goku's the main character so it's to be expected, but don't act like Vegeta is too, there are people don't like Vegeta or care enough about him to ONLY see him in the spotlight.

there are people who do not like Gohan

there are people who do not like Goku

there are people who do not like ¿Piccolo? well I do not think so

people want Vegeta as the main and only he

Goku people want to beat all

people want to send Gok and Vegeta to retire

I want Goku, vegeta and Piccolo in the core, but Piccolo I have assumed that it will not be...

goku and Vegeta in the center is the logical now, and the rest of the characters are developed in subplots that may be taking center stage but now only realistic to hold the series is Goku and Vegeta.
Goku Goku and Goku was GT .... the result we all known... in Europe and japan was a failed, only it worked in America.
and only vegeta vegeta ?????? noooot is ilogical and Vegeta need a partner, alone is too ... tooo ... Vegeta.
The others characters , except Piccolo, can not enough charisma in this moment

[Mystic Tien]

What i wish for the new series (and I dream high):

- Takes place after EOZ and it's about the 12 universes and Gods.
- Gods must be interesting characters and have unique powers, like Whis time travel.
- Pan gets Mansenko and SSJ. Uub gets kaioken, instant transmission and kinton. Both get kamehameha.
- Piccolo gets on pair with Goku and Vegeta, thanks to a God related to the Namekian race. Gohan back to the game would be cool too.
- No more new colors for SSJ.
- Beerus and Whis.
- Others characters being relevant besides Goku and Vegeta. Even though some are already old/retired, they can have some screentime and cool scenes.
- Great animation.
- Great soudtracks. Some Kikuchi re-orchestrated soundtracks.
- Kageyama to come back and sing the opening.
- No censorship.

I think that's it. Oh God, I love dreams.

Knowing him, Pan will have SSJ3 at 12 years old.... I hope this doesn't happen.

Or she will be Blue Red Super Saiyan God 5 Super Saiyan.

[SansrivaaL]

Vegeta has had just as much relevance as Gohan had.

Vegeta is way more important to the story then Gohan ever was.

I actually see Gohan more important than Vegeta. Gohan not only killed Cell but had Buu's number.

[Mystic Tien]

It's a pitty tough, the Universe must be vast for adventures. That part of DBZ where Buu teleports to different planets, destroying them and the venture in GT had me intrigued what many worlds and planets are in DB Universe.
Unfortunately, the vastness of universe is measured by the size of your ki

I Agree with you, this is the reason why I'm not so fond of the idea of the characters exploring the other Universes...
It wouldnt be fun if they just travel to other universes to find strong people...(there must be something different and interesting in the other universes that isn't just strong people)
if they're going to travel there must be a very good reason for it ...

Dragon Ball is not about adventure since... Piccolo Daimao arc, I guess.

[sintzu]

Gohan actually defeated a main villain, lol.

Trunks defeated 2,lol lol.

Vegeta was able to defeat Goku in the Saiyan arc and

Spoiler:

Freeza in FNF

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[Marlowe89]

Gohan actually defeated a main villain, lol.

In one arc. His relevance in every other major arc was secondary at best, and even during the climax/finale of the Buu saga his role was minor in comparison to Vegeta's.

[Doctor.]

Gohan actually defeated a main villain, lol.

Trunks defeated 2,lol lol.

Vegeta was able to defeat Goku in the Saiyan arc and

Spoiler:

Freeza in FNF

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And in both of those times he ended up defeated despite his supposed "win".

In one arc. His relevance in every other major arc was secondary at best

Just like Vegeta's.

[Mystic Tien]

Well, if the fake stuff will commence, then I wish some people would try to capitalize on old-school AF style hoax images, like this:



I had to make this. I call it "Super Saiyan 9000 Goku".

Or Super Saiyan 9000 Goku Super Saiyan. It really looks like the transformation/whatever it is in RoF.

Well, they could invent a plot so that Trunks and Goten are forced to go back to training and fighting. Also, Gohan was fighting since he was 4, so I don't see a problem with Pan and even less with Uub, who is like 10 or something. And like I said, I'm up for new characters anyway. Make Whis train Trunks, Goten, Uub, Pan, Bra and whoever else wants to tag along. It's doable, but I don't think it will happen.

Ugh, if these are the main characters then it wouldn't take me long to quit this show.

Kids should not lead the show.

I think it honestly should be:
Videl & Mr. Satan Training Pan (Gym/Karate Dojo)
Gohan Spotting Goten & Trunks (Gym) / Trunks Teaches Bra.
Goku, Piccolo & Tenshinhan, training with Whis (Whis Area)
Kibito Kai/Elder Kai & Buu Mentoring: Uub (Kai Planet)
Vegeta training on his own.

Main Characters: Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Goten, Trunks, Tenshinhan, Tarble, Pan, Bra, Buu & Uub.
Supporting: Mr. Satan, Bulma, Tights, Jaco, Krilin, #18 #17, Oolong.
Retired: Gohan, Videl, Yamcha, Chaozu.

Videl is too weak and green to train Pan. Gohan or Goku should do it.

With others I agree, sadly, it won't happen.

[Marlowe89]

Just like Vegeta's.

And yet Vegeta's had a larger role in every story development since the Buu saga's climax, including in both movies.

You can like Gohan as a character without needing him to be any more relevant than he actually is.

[Mystic Tien]

I certainly remember reading somewhere that Toriyama got scripts for every episode of GT, and approved them. Maybe I remembered it wrong though =/

It sounds like you're misremembering Toriyama's comment from Shenlong Times #7:

With regards to the anime’s new series, Dragon Ball GT, how involved are you?
Just a little bit. I’ll check the stories that come up from Toei Animation, and give them a little bit of advice. Also, I’ve drawn just a few characters and illustrations. But it’s interesting! It feels like, “Ah, so they could do it this way”. I think everyone at Toei Animation really racked their brains. Good work. To think they’d make Goku little. With this story, I might even be able to continue the manga serialization again… though I have absolutely no intention of drawing it. (laughs)

So basically Toriyama checked the story ideas Toei had for GT and gave them some advice. There's no mention of completed scripts, and indeed, if a script were already done it would probably be too late in the game for Toriyama to offer advice. This interview also predates the debut of the first episode of GT, and in fact the only story element from GT which Toriyama specifically refers to is them making Goku a kid again. So all of the information we have regarding Toriyama's involvement with GT indicates he was only involved at the very beginning, to help get the ball rolling: he came up with the series' name and logo, did the "several years later" character designs for the main cast, designed Gill and the Capsule Corp spaceship, and drew some pictures of Goku and co. having adventures on other planets. It's all stuff related to the "dragon balls in space" section at the very beginning of the series. There's no indication that he was still involved with things by the time Baby turned up, let along the evil dragons or the very end of the series.

Of course, the same pattern could repeat itself with Super: Toriyama only active at the start and quickly entrusting the anime staff to keep things going. Still, with GT Toriyama never got credited with the original draft (原案) of the story like he is with Super. That's the same credit he got for the JSAT special, which was hyped as being based on a story idea from him, even though the script itself was credited to Takao Koyama. We might expect something similar with Super.

It was this, indeed! Thank you a lot, Herms!

[Chuquita]

Re: Toriyama not going for EoZ era because he mistakenly confused it with GT era designs

That's practically a tragic-comedy if true.

All it'd take is someone clarifying it for him and going "Actually this is what EoZ designs look like." to him to fix it.

[bleed0range]

Now I am kind of concerned that Toriyama is stuck between EOZ and buu because he thinks his GT designs are how the characters looked at EOZ. Which means if he realized that, he might be willing to continue from after uub shows up at EOZ.

[Doctor.]

Just like Vegeta's.

And yet Vegeta's had a larger role in every story development since the Buu saga's climax, including in both movies.

You can like Gohan as a character without needing him to be any more relevant than he actually is.

I don't care for Gohan, that's not the point, don't try to play the bias card. The fact that Vegeta had a larger role than Gohan ever since the end of the manga is what makes people think this is becoming the "Goku & Vegeta show" so I don't see why you're using that as an argument. It wasn't the Goku & Vegeta show before and Gohan's relevancy before these two movies proves that.

[bleed0range]

Re: Toriyama not going for EoZ era because he mistakenly confused it with GT era designs

That's practically a tragic-comedy if true.

All it'd take is someone clarifying it for him and going "Actually this is what EoZ designs look like." to him to fix it.

I sadly think it's true! Someone needs to tell him!

[Mystic Tien]

- Future Trunks visiting but getting scolded by Jaco (if he's in the series) for time traveling
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If anything, Trunks in Dragon Ball Online works in Time Patrol now. I don't know if it was Toriyama's idea or not, but if it was, then I highly doubt that he would appear this way in any new series or movies.

[Marlowe89]

I don't care for Gohan, that's not the point, don't try to play the bias card. The fact that Vegeta had a larger role than Gohan ever since the end of the manga is what makes people think this is becoming the "Goku & Vegeta show" so I don't see why you're using that as an argument. It wasn't the Goku & Vegeta show before and Gohan's relevancy before these two movies proves that.

You're arguing semantics. My point has never been that Vegeta was as primary to the overall story as Goku himself. My initial post was to emphasize that Vegeta has shared the "main spotlight" with Goku in the sense that he was taking on the main foe in RoF and has been given more relevancy than any other character simply on the basis of his dynamic with Goku, which was arguably at the forefront of every other dynamic with the main character for a decent amount of time - hence people calling it the "Goku and Vegeta" show. This is not complicated or hard to understand at all.

And no, Gohan's role was not as large as Vegeta's in the Buu saga.

[Tennessaiyan]

So... Toriyama didn't want to write anything post-EoZ because he thought everyone was too old and that some of the GT stuff was his. Heh. Sometimes I wonder if Toriyama says stuff like this just to make us constantly worried.

[Mystic Tien]

- Turning out that Gine (and maybe Bardock as well) managed to escape planet Vegeta's destruction and them joining the Z-fighters.

Kind of difficult to find a good explanation of why Gine didn't go to Earth before if she is alive all this time, but who knows?

Why should she? Saiyans can't sense ki without scouters. And even with scouters, I highly doubt that they can sense power levels of characters from such long distances. And I am pretty sure that because of Gine being a non combatant, she doesn't have a scouter anyway.

Turning out that Gine (and maybe Bardock as well) managed to escape planet Vegeta's destruction and them joining the Z-fighters..

In the manga we see Bardock get killed by Freeza so unless they bring him back to life or Toriyama decides EOB is canon then we won't see him.

And he said in an interview that he probably won't use him unless the story is set in the past.

Even in EOB Bardock should be long time dead by the beginning of Dragon Ball.

[Doctor.]

I don't care for Gohan, that's not the point, don't try to play the bias card. The fact that Vegeta had a larger role than Gohan ever since the end of the manga is what makes people think this is becoming the "Goku & Vegeta show" so I don't see why you're using that as an argument. It wasn't the Goku & Vegeta show before and Gohan's relevancy before these two movies proves that.

You're arguing semantics. My point has never been that Vegeta was as primary to the overall story as Goku himself. My initial post was to emphasize that Vegeta has shared the "main spotlight" with Goku in the sense that he was taking on the main foe in RoF and has been given more relevancy than any other character simply on the basis of his dynamic with Goku, which was arguably at the forefront of every other dynamic with the main character for a decent amount of time - hence people calling it the "Goku and Vegeta" show. This is not complicated or hard to understand at all.

And no, Gohan's role was not as large as Vegeta's in the Buu saga.

Nor did I say it was, my point is that prior to these movies, all the characters shared some time in the spotlight, not only Goku. The point is that if most of that spotlight that went to the other characters is now being directed towards Vegeta, then of course people aren't gonna be happy about it; you might, but not everyone will.

Irrelevant, because I wasn't arguing whether or not Gohan's role in the plot was bigger, I was arguing that it was comparable.