"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Dyno]

Why should she? Saiyans can't sense ki without scouters. And even with scouters, I highly doubt that they can sense power levels of characters from such long distances. And I am pretty sure that because of Gine being a non combatant, she doesn't have a scouter anyway.

What? Since when Saiyans need to sense others' Ki to go where another is? Gine knows Kakarot is in Earth, all she needs is to find a way to get there.

[Mystic Tien]

Most of the intial character designs in GT were done by Toriyama. The ultra hated for no reason Mustache Vegeta? Toriyama designed that. Probably a lot of things done in GT, Toriyama had to approve, He has stated he enjoyed the series and enjoyed many of the things some fans complain about when it comes to GT. Sit and think on that. GT isn't 'from another universe' it's just an alternate timeline, like Future Trunk's time. It's all within the same universe and continuity, just different timelines. So please, for the sake of others who just want to enjoy new dragon ball, stow your hate away and just enjoy this for what it is. New Dragon Ball. New Dragon Ball that we actually know very little about, we don't even know if Toriyama is writing the entire thing...all we know is he has plotted Super.

Please, don't try to convince me with fake facts, Toriyama just supervised GT and did some character designs, I would like you to give me a link where proofs that he was the responsible for the "Ultra Hated Mustache Vegeta".

If he enjoyed this series much as he did with Bardock he wouldn't say that we can consider GT as a side-story. What is a side-story for you? For me is a alternate story that we could see as "What If" that pretty much sums what GT in fact is for Toriyama.

Anyway, I hope this new Dragon Ball Super ditches GT for good and become the real canon sequel to the story after EoZ! I'll pray for that.

Right here - http://www.kanzenshuu.com/production/toriyama/#gt

Toriyama designed the “several years later” appearance of the main Dragon Ball GT cast, including the infamous moustache-blighted Vegeta, which were featured in the GT Perfect File Vol. 1 on page 89:

For me side-story is this - http://www.kanzenshuu.com/manga/extra/

And now read this thread - http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =7&t=29426

There is no canon, defined in Dragon Ball and Toriyama pretty clearly said what he thinks about movies and anime in overall.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... ma-nozawa/

Did you put in any requests when it was made into an anime, Sensei?
Toriyama:
No, not at all. Anime has its own way of doing things, so I think it’s better to leave it to the professionals. Manga and anime are separate things, but I suppose it’s best when you get the feeling that “they’re connected somehow”. At the start of serialization, I didn’t even know if I’d be able to please the readers, so I wasn’t even thinking about it being made into an anime.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... interview/

What is your personal stance on Dragon Ball’s theatrical films, Sensei?
I take the movies as “stories in a different dimension from the main story of the comic”. I’m entirely just an audience member for them.

Talk about yourself, mate

I could swallow that Piccolo sync with Nail give him a huge power boost because Nail was the strongest namekian warrior at time, but I couldn't swallow that Piccolo sync with Kami that is inferior to Raditz BP could surpass the SSJs and the androids 17, 18, really.

I agree here.

[Marlowe89]

Nor did I say it was, my point is that prior to these movies, all the characters shared some time in the spotlight, not only Goku. The point is that if most of that spotlight that went to the other characters is now being directed towards Vegeta, then of course people aren't gonna be happy about it; you might, but not everyone will.

And I'm saying it's only natural that he would be given more time in the spotlight, especially considering his role over the course of the manga and his interactions with the main protagonist. The end of the Cell arc is the only moment I can comfortably say that Gohan's role was larger than Vegeta's. It's not surprising at all that he would share these big moments with Goku.

Irrelevant, because I wasn't arguing whether or not Gohan's role in the plot was bigger, I was arguing that it was comparable.

Yeah, comparably less as big. Which is my whole point.

[Mystic Tien]

Why should she? Saiyans can't sense ki without scouters. And even with scouters, I highly doubt that they can sense power levels of characters from such long distances. And I am pretty sure that because of Gine being a non combatant, she doesn't have a scouter anyway.

What? Since when Saiyans need to sense others' Ki to go where another is? Gine knows Kakarot is in Earth, all she needs is to find a way to get there.

And how she may possibly learn where Earth is? Not only that, but Earth is supposed to be destroyed by him. As Raditz, Goku's brother, was pretty sure that that's what happened.

[Doctor.]

Amd I'm saying it's only natural that he would be given more time in the spotlight, especially considering his role over the course of the manga and his interactions with the main protagonist. The end of the Cell arc is the only moment I can comfortably say that Gohan's role was larger than Vegeta's. It's not surprising at all that he would share these big moments with Goku.

Yeah, comparably less as big. Which is my whole point.

They both had big and comparable roles in the Saiyan and Namek arcs, Gohan had a bigger role in the Cell arc and Vegeta had a bigger role in the Boo arc. Just because Vegeta's the main character's rival does not mean he had a bigger role in the story.

[Dyno]

And how she may possibly learn where Earth is? Not only that, but Earth is supposed to be destroyed by him. As Raditz, Goku's brother, was pretty sure that that's what happened.

1- She already knows
2- Bardock told her
3- She finds out through something or someone

Not a big deal. Yes, but only Raditz was pretty sure that is what was supposed to happen, not Gine.

[Marlowe89]

They both had big and comparable roles in the Saiyan and Namek arcs, Gohan had a bigger role in the Cell arc and Vegeta had a bigger role in the Boo arc. Just because Vegeta's the main character's rival does not mean he had a bigger role in the story.

Actually, that's exactly what it means. His role and relationship with the main protagonist is emphasized more than anything pertaining to Gohan except for the end of the Cell arc. His role has been played up more in his own introductory arc, on Namek, and even against the Androids and most of Cell's duration in the story. Do you really find it shocking that he would be given more spotlight than the other characters?

[Mystic Tien]

And how she may possibly learn where Earth is? Not only that, but Earth is supposed to be destroyed by him. As Raditz, Goku's brother, was pretty sure that that's what happened.

1- She already knows
2- Bardock told her
3- She finds out through something or someone

Not a big deal. Yes, but only Raditz was pretty sure that is what was supposed to happen, not Gine.

What does she know? Coordinates? Location? Did she even memorize it? If she memorized it, how will it help her?
Exactly. Bardock told her that Goku was sent to Earth. How will it help her?
Through whom exactly if only Bardock knows it, and he is either supposedly dead or thrown back in time and supposedly dead as well.

It would be fun if Pan becomes one of the main characters, sadly it seems impossible..... I just hope they dont shrink anyone anymore, and hopefully more Goten!

This was the exact idea which Toriyama liked in GT

[Doctor.]

They both had big and comparable roles in the Saiyan and Namek arcs, Gohan had a bigger role in the Cell arc and Vegeta had a bigger role in the Boo arc. Just because Vegeta's the main character's rival does not mean he had a bigger role in the story.

Actually, that's exactly what it means. His role and relationship with the main protagonist is emphasized more than anything pertaining to Gohan except for the end of the Cell arc. His role has been played up more in his own introductory arc, on Namek, and even against the Androids and most of Cell's duration in the story. Do you really find it shocking that he would be given more spotlight than the other characters?

No, I find it shocking that he'll be given all the time that the other characters deserve when nothing like the sort ever happened in the manga.

[Mystic Tien]

Agreed. We have next to nothing with Oob, and there's nothing to tell us that Toriyama's Pan would be anything like GT's Pan (though personally I never had a problem with GT Pan), so there's really no reason to dislike these characters on principle. For all we know, what Toriyama envisions for them, could turn out to be some of his best characters yet. The same holds true for Bra and Marron. Jaco alone proves that when it comes to making characters interesting, he's still got it.

Well, right here:

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... nakatsuru/

Who do you prefer: Bulma or Chi-Chi?
Toriyama:
To be honest, I’m really not fond of Chi-Chi as a character. (laughs) In the middle of the comic, I started to think, “I don’t want to draw her anymore,” and, sort of as a way of spiting myself, I decided, “you’ll have to draw her if she gets married to Goku, so marry them off!” So, I drew her as a kind of punishment. (laughs)

Nakatsuru:
So that was your reason behind it! (laughs)

Toriyama:
The women I draw all have the same sort of personality. I can’t draw gentle girls; I only know how to draw ones who are strong-willed.

[Dyno]

What does she know? Coordinates? Location? Did she even memorize it? If she memorized it, how will it help her?
Exactly. Bardock told her that Goku was sent to Earth. How will it help her?
Through whom exactly if only Bardock knows it, and he is either supposedly dead or thrown back in time and supposedly dead as well.

You are actually creating a mess for nothing, there's no guarantee Vegeta and Nappa also knew about Earth location/coordinates. And what are you talking about, dude?

Tarble also didn't know Namekuseijins and he went there and asked about Vegeta's whereabout, why are you creating a unnecessary issue with no foundation?

[Chuquita]

Now I am kind of concerned that Toriyama is stuck between EOZ and buu because he thinks his GT designs are how the characters looked at EOZ. Which means if he realized that, he might be willing to continue from after uub shows up at EOZ.

If true, I don't know how we could alert him to it. Long shot would be to tell Greg and see if he couldn't relay the info through Shueisha somehow.

[sintzu]

And in both of those times he ended up defeated despite his supposed "win".

No he didn't.

[Mystic Tien]

Cell saga : His son killed Freeza and saved the future timeline alongside Gohan who saved the current timeline plus he was the one who helped Gohan finish off Cell alongside Goku.

Gohan saved both timelines by the way by stopping Trunks from going for Androids with him and dying, which let him save his own and past timeline as well.

[FortuneSSJ]

Re: Toriyama not going for EoZ era because he mistakenly confused it with GT era designs

That's practically a tragic-comedy if true.

All it'd take is someone clarifying it for him and going "Actually this is what EoZ designs look like." to him to fix it.

Exactly. This is too stupid to be true.
I don't even wanna to think this misunderstanding is the reason why we don't get pos-EOZ material. Besides the staff reminding him, can't he read the last chapters of his own manga?!

[Mystic Tien]

Goku Goku and Goku was GT .... the result we all known...

Not true. Vegeta assisted Goku in his fight with Yi Xing Long.

What does she know? Coordinates? Location? Did she even memorize it? If she memorized it, how will it help her?
Exactly. Bardock told her that Goku was sent to Earth. How will it help her?
Through whom exactly if only Bardock knows it, and he is either supposedly dead or thrown back in time and supposedly dead as well.

You are actually creating a mess for nothing, there's no guarantee Vegeta and Nappa also knew about Earth location/coordinates. And what are you talking about, dude?

Tarble also didn't know Namekuseijins and he went there and asked about Vegeta's whereabout, why are you creating a unnecessary issue with no foundation?

Raditz passed them coordinaties and all information before he died. That's why they knew where Earth was located. Raditz had a scouter. Vegeta and Nappa had a scouter. Bardock had a scouter. But Gine didn't have a scouter, how she may possibly learn where Earth is now with Bardock being dead and without a scouter?

Tarble had a scouter. As well as a ship. Gine doesn't have.

That's, plus again, she most likely thinks that Goku destroyed the Earth, and that he isn't there anymore, so there is no need to fly there anyway.

[bleed0range]

Re: Toriyama not going for EoZ era because he mistakenly confused it with GT era designs

That's practically a tragic-comedy if true.

All it'd take is someone clarifying it for him and going "Actually this is what EoZ designs look like." to him to fix it.

Exactly. This is too stupid to be true.
I don't even wanna to think this misunderstanding is the reason why we don't get pos-EOZ material. Besides the staff reminding him, can't he read the last chapters of his own manga?!

Are you new to fandom or something? We're talking about the guy who didn't know the difference between SSJ2 and SSJ3... it's absolutely believable that he would mistake his GT drawings (probably some of the last DB he did of that era) for the EOZ designs. In fact, it probably really is true. Why doesn't the staff remind him? Probably for a similar reason they don't call out any of the other inconsistent things he's done, like Gohan going SSJ when he should be "mystic" in BOG (which did get changed but not until fans started complaining very vocally). I think they don't question it when they get the material from him, they just accept it entirely because it's coming from the big man himself.

[Chuquita]

That's why I used the phrase tragic-comedy. It's something I can definitely believe could've happened.

I don't have the link, but I'd cite the Toriyama and Oda interview that Greg translated long ago. Oda keeps bringing stuff up and getting floored that Toriyama had no clue. Something about Tao Pai Pai was one of the bigger ones. I think.

[Dyno]

Raditz passed them coordinaties and all information before he died. That's why they knew where Earth was located. Raditz had a scouter. Vegeta and Nappa had a scouter. Bardock had a scouter. But Gine didn't have a scouter, how she may possibly learn where Earth is now with Bardock being dead and without a scouter?

Tarble had a scouter. As well as a ship. Gine doesn't have.

That's, plus again, she most likely thinks that Goku destroyed the Earth, and that he isn't there anymore, so there is no need to fly there anyway.

No, it is explicitly said Vegeta and Nappa only knew/heard what happened in Earth, we don't see Raditz telling them the coordinaties, actually we don't see any contact among them before he died.

Bardock's scouter is nowhere to be seen in Dragon Ball Minus and Chapter 307. And how do you know Gine does not have one? And even if that is the case, why Gine couldn't steal one?

You are claiming things with no foundation, sorry. The same way I can find reasons for this situation, you can find problems, so it's pointless to keep colliding these ideas without any further information.

[Lord Beerus]

Now I am kind of concerned that Toriyama is stuck between EOZ and buu because he thinks his GT designs are how the characters looked at EOZ. Which means if he realized that, he might be willing to continue from after uub shows up at EOZ.

Oh, God. I really, really, really hope that is not the case. But given how Toriyama's memory in regards to Dragon Ball can be very hit-and-miss, there is a chance this could be the case. I pray it's not though.