Overused characters?

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Goku. Yes hes the main character but he usually controls the outcome over all the fights now. Everything is overfocused on him all the time and his "new forms" are just marketing gimmicks now. I hate seeing all the weaker characters just get thrown around for hours waiting for Goku to save them; or Goku being the one that beats the odds only because hes given them. At least in the Buu saga, the other characters had their own plans and options to work with that were somewhat effective within the momments instead of just being used for "stalling" for Goku to scramble around off an even simpler plan.

Gohan. Even though its clear he hates fighting and would rather not, they never just let him sit it out. They always have to remind him beating Cell and thus blackmail him back in. (Being the in-universe characters or the fanbase more widely.) Gohan should just be able to retire and have his powers fade away if necessary. Let him be a nerdy dad. Its funny he gets more screen time an personal fights than Piccolo and Tenshinhan who actually train; while he doesn't.

Freeza. I get it, hes scary, hes great, his arc was one of the best. But c'mon. Let him die. Give new villains a chance to expand the series. But hes the Anti-Goku, his name puts butts in seats, but I'm tired of him.

Bardock. I only liked and respected him in FoG and still do, all the other media trying to market him is just beating his dead corpse. If any media of him needs to be reproduced it should be him and his work on Planet Vegeta with Gine or his Team, not him stuck in his one-track "Freeeeezaaaaah" thing. Him also being Flanderized just only being on screen to show him yelling at Freeza and given so much credit for being someone noble while never credited for doing anything else is so boring.

Broly. Overused in the games, fan fic and what-if games. I like him enough not to hate him, but him being constantly brought back just for the sake of flexing his powers for the kids is just so lazy, redundant and pointless advertisement. I'd rather more prologues of him than his Kakarot obession Flanderising him to.

Beerus, only because he has to be the center of everything now. He doesnt need to be featured in anything irrelevant to him. I love the character but like King Kai, he has his place and should stay there.

[Dyno]

Bardock. I only liked and respected him in FoG and still do, all the other media trying to market him is just beating his dead corpse. If any media of him needs to be reproduced it should be him and his work on Planet Vegeta, not him being yet another Goku clone cheering behind Goku & Gohan.

Indeed, pretty much this. I would be plenty of satisfied if they at least focus on planet Vegeta backstory, showing what needs to be shown and with Bardock partially being the main character (divinding the role with King Vegeta, maybe) would be enough, only then he could die in peace at Chapter 307. That would be enough for characters development and for everything else these characters of the past don't have. But no... Instead, we get that ridiculous "Dragon Ball Minus" and these amount of people saying bullshit about it.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Bardock. I only liked and respected him in FoG and still do, all the other media trying to market him is just beating his dead corpse. If any media of him needs to be reproduced it should be him and his work on Planet Vegeta, not him being yet another Goku clone cheering behind Goku & Gohan.

Indeed, pretty much this. I would be plenty of satisfied if they at least focus on planet Vegeta backstory, showing what needs to be shown and with Bardock partially being the main character (divinding the role with King Vegeta, maybe) would be enough, only then he could die in peace at Chapter 307. That would be enough for characters development and for everything else these characters of the past don't have. But no... Instead, we get that ridiculous "Dragon Ball Minus" and these amount of people saying bullshit about it.

Bardock's story was completely ruined. The TV Special (and the manga/Minus story as well) portrayed a dark, cruel story about the universe under Freeza’s rule and the tale of a ruthless, proud and lonely Saiyan’s fight against the destruction of his home planet. It portrays Bardock as a lone warrior, just like all the rest, who alone stood up for his people, despite being the underdog, and died with honor. The fact that he's now being marketed as the Super Saiyan (not to mention that, thanks to Heroes, he's one of the strongest characters in the series now), not only completely ruins what he represents, but Goku as well. Goku’s whole theme was that he was a low class who could reach great heights with the mere wish of improving himself; the way Bardock is being marketed now implies that it was all because of his bloodline, which is something I absolutely hate in Shounen: that a protagonist only is as important as he is because of his family.

It doesn't really matter if you consider it canon to the manga, it still exists and it's still there. You can ignore it sure, but when you're replying to a thread where the main purpose is to actually acknowledge these pieces of "non-canon" stories, then you have to acknowledge them. Bardock wasn't badly utilized, low screen time doesn't mean he was badly utilized, that's why he was loved so much. If you say he is just because he died, then you don't get what his purpose was. He served it, just like Future Gohan served his purpose way back, and he's not being completely stuck on every piece of DB merchandise that comes out, nor should he. Bardock's being overused in the same vein Broly was a few years back (and still is), and it makes him almost unbearable.

See, Bardock gets too much attention than he needs, but more so in the wrong areas. It thus stunts his impact in the story now because he wasnt supposed to be rewarded for anything by author bias.

He was just the catalyist to bring a change to something he died trying to start, like Civil rights figure. He wasn't a hero or a goodie two-shoes at all, but he was the one that ignited the downfall of Freeza for fate to give Goku's changed life outside of the political slavery the set up to live up to it someday. If ever, even if not for Bardock himself at the time but just to see Freeza suffer the consequences of his greed and fear while proving the Sayians should never be underestimated. Bardock in general didnt even care what he did in his own life for himself was right as a Saiyan, the line that was crossed was Freeza turning on them despite their loyalty and admiration for him.

Now hes been so misrepresented ever since EOB that people just see him as the precursor for Goku and the Legend of polt-impossible circumstances. Hes just reduced to being another SSJ, Goku-look alike-badass who defeated a Cold Clan member.

[dbzfan7]

Goku plain and simple. I love the guy, but unlike in the manga, he never seems to really take a back seat anymore. Toriyama went out of his way to remove Goku from the story countless times to give other people a chance to do something. Now he's front and center forever. He's always the most powerful of the heroes, and no more do we have shifts like in the manga. If you liked those moments when Piccolo or Vegeta drove the arc's, while Goku wasn't around, we'll never really get that. Vegeta maybe, but everyone else is too weak to be the focus. Dragon Ball is a fighting anime, so power really dictates who's important and who is not.

Gohan seeing as he's going nowhere at this point is overused. He has no interest in being a fighter or protector no more, and is only relevant as he's the strongest non god level character. Seeing as there's no real interest to do anything with his potential, it's time Piccolo surpasses him as the strongest non god and leaves Gohan to retire. Either that or really just remove all the irrelevant characters at this point. Maybe throw a few minutes to them to see how they're doing, but leave the fighting to those who can actually manage. Skip the bullcrap jobbing and Goku saving, and just let the new relevant 4 be the one's to do something.

[Dyno]

Bardock in general didnt even care what he did in his own life for himself was right as a Saiyan, the line that was crossed was Freeza turning on them despite their loyalty and admiration for him.

That is where you are wrong, though. Allow me to remember you this: Bardock also happens to possess calm judgment and a small measure of humanity.

Part of Bardock's personality is in author's words, words that half of this planet does not even know about. You can't say whatever you want of his aspect as a character if you haven't even seen him as a whole. THAT is where "character development" enters and should occur to him.

Now hes been so misrepresented ever since EOB that people just see him as the precursor for Goku and the Legend of polt-impossible circumstances. Hes just reduced to being another SSJ, Goku-look alike-badass who defeated a Cold Clan member.

Or, he is reduced to being a character who survives the explosion and acts behind the scenes helping his son with Patrol Trunks, but even there he is bashed.

[Scott]

Probably only Vegeta and Broly.

Throughout Dragon Ball, we have always followed the story of Goku's life, but these days it's seems like it's the Goku and Vegeta show.

Broly is just a pain in the ass. Most Dragon Ball games he is always made out to be this super fighter with unbelievable power. He's always getting mentioned and i'm just tired of him. He's a boring character.

[Dyno]

I would recommend you to skip Extreme Butoden, then. That game continues the wanking for that thing, you know.

[fadeddreams5]

Bardock in general didnt even care what he did in his own life for himself was right as a Saiyan, the line that was crossed was Freeza turning on them despite their loyalty and admiration for him.

That is where you are wrong, though. Allow me to remember you this: Bardock also happens to possess calm judgment and a small measure of humanity.

Part of Bardock's personality is in author's words, words that half of this planet does not even know about. You can't say whatever you want of his aspect as a character if you haven't even seen him as a whole. THAT is where "character development" enters and should occur to him.

You're misinterpreting what Toriyama wrote. He's saying that other saiyans are, pretty much, simple-minded savages, while Bardock is an astute individual with a sense of compassion for his own kind. He's still warlike, and could give two shits about other civilizations and people he harms as long as his own people are not hurt in the process. So he's loyal in that sense, which can be seen when he tries to avenge the deaths of his allies in the first special. But like SingleFringe&Sparks wrote, Bardock very likely does not regret any of his actions; his main drive is revenge against a monster who betrayed his people and threatens their existence.

That said, there are so many interpretations of Bardock at this point, the character is honestly a blank slate. They can rewrite him at any time to be whatever they feel like making him.

[Scott]

I would recommend you to skip Extreme Butoden, then. That game continues the wanking for that thing, you know.

Have you ever played Burst Limit ? Man, Broly in that game is insane, especially on the hardest difficulty. I don't rage as much as i used to at games but fighting Broly on Burst Limit on the hardest difficulty bought out all of my rage

[KentalSSJ6]

I would recommend you to skip Extreme Butoden, then. That game continues the wanking for that thing, you know.

Could say the same about the chap in your avatar.

[Dyno]

Could say the same about the chap in your avatar.

No, you couldn't.

[voltlunok]

Could say the same about the chap in your avatar.

No, you couldn't.

Oh but he could.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7nIQJSJBg4

The following promo for DB Heroes shows Base Evil Bardock single handedly and rather effortlessly stomping SSJ4 Goku, taking a hit from FOUR FIGHTERS AT ONCE! One of which is SSJ4 Vegeta and not showing any sign of damage. He is considered such a threat that Goku & Vegeta fuse into SSJ4 Gogeta. The most damage Bardock shows in this whole thing is his mask being a little damaged but the rest of him is scratch free. Bardock is being pushed in nearly the same way Broly is, as an unstoppable force. But while Broly has the bragging rights of never being bested in true 1v1 combat, what does Bardock have to boast? Nothing. Yet he is shown here curbstomping SSJ4 Goku IN HIS BASE FORM.

Bardock is basically becoming Broly Version 2, it's getting rather annoying and this is coming from someone who thinks Bardock is the most badass thing to ever badass in all of Dragon Ball.

[Dyno]

No, he couldn't. As you didn't do there as well.

All you did here was to list ONE SINGLE TIME which Bardock was pushed so far to the point of being equal to Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta. Should I list you EVERY SINGLE TIME which Broly was pushed to these points? No, he is not becoming, for Bardock becoming "Broly Version 2", they need to push Bardock more and more, but they did just once? Then no, he is not becoming.

[Zephyr]

All you did here was to list ONE SINGLE TIME which Bardock was pushed so far to the point of being equal to Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta. Should I list you EVERY SINGLE TIME which Broly was pushed to these points? No, he is not becoming, for Bardock becoming "Broly Version 2", they need to push Bardock more and more, but they did just once? Then no, he is not becoming.

How many times has Broly been put on par with SSj4 Gogeta?

And you're confusing the notion of "becoming" with the notion of "having become". In the former, which is being asserted, Bardock is on the road to being as wanked as Broly is. In the latter, which is what you seem to be misconstruing as being asserted when it is in fact not being asserted, Bardock is already as wanked as Broly is.

[TheGmGoken]

Hey if Shisgami can hit Piccolo then Bardock can hit Goku
If Sorbet can hit Bluper SSJ Goku then Bardock can hit Goku

Besides it's not base Bardock. It's a powered up Version that also have a mask.

[Dyno]

Never thought in relating those things, but it is a pretty damn good point, Goken. I totally forgot that not only Dragon Ball Heroes, but even the ~precious~ Dragon Ball from Toriyama also does not have a consistent power level.

[Zephyr]

If we're taking that route of reasoning, I guess there's no grounds for whining about Broly-wanking then.

[Cetra]

Broly is the Legendary Super Saiyajin on whose story and origin as well as power we can always expand so if we accept Bardock being corrupted, Broly is perfectly legit.

[Dyno]

I think I already said, the problem is the excessive number that occur those things. Bardock was put in Gogeta's level once, Broly was put in Gogeta's level many times throughout the decades. Bardock was put in Gogeta's level in single game, Broly was put in Gogeta's level (or even beyond) in many games and fanfictions... Broly is the symbol of power, when it should be Hirudegarn, the most likely Janemba, Super Buu or the recent ones; Bills and Wiss (Freeza... Eickes).

You know, Bardock is now the one used for wanking Broly in Extreme Butoden. Didn't you see that scan? Pretty unnecessary and idiot.
Once or twice, one occasion here and other there are totally okay, retarded indeed and regardless, but it is okay. But this is not the reality.

[Dyno]

Broly is the Legendary Super Saiyajin on whose story and origin as well as power we can always expand so if we accept Bardock being corrupted, Broly is perfectly legit.

Yes, because many of you say Bardock shits on the legend and everything else for have been transformed first. But Broly also transforming first is ~superb, oh my god, what a huge power~? hahaha nice logic, indeed perfectly legit.