Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Low Tone G]

Sorry if it has been posted earlier...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQg20r0R73A

[Doctor.]

Now that Toriyama did it tho, the very same people who would have bashed the recolors in a fanfiction are closing an eye, even forcing themselves to like it.

I find this whole thing laughable.

I find this offensive. I've already expressed my concerns about this movie and it's obvious from my posts I don't think it'll be any good, but I also happen to like the designs of the two transformations, SSGSS more than Golden Freeza but I digress. To say that I'm "forcing" myself to like them and that it's "laughable" when it's my legitimate opinion is really disrespectful.

[Flame Dragon]

Concerning the negativity...

All i know is that if someone in this very site posted his fanfiction and made Blue SSJ and Golden Freezer, he would have been laughed at. Perhaps even humiliated, told to go back to Deviantart.

Now that Toriyama did it tho, the very same people who would have bashed the recolors in a fanfiction are closing an eye, even forcing themselves to like it.

I find this whole thing laughable.

Nah, people would support it. Just look at all the fanfic in the Fan-Created Works. Look at Multiverse, AF and New Age. That's fanfiction.

There are little to no recolors in Multiverse, AF and New Age.
There are only semi-recolors. Aka the physique changes along the colors. And most of these semi-recolors are dedicated to new characters anyway. (Like King Cold Final Form)

Even SSJ5 in AF is more original than Super Cyan. At least it also changed the face features, hairstyle and costume instead of adding a simple silver recoloration to SSJ4.

I find this offensive. I've already expressed my concerns about this movie and it's obvious from my posts I don't think it'll be any good, but I also happen to like the designs of the two transformations, SSGSS more than Golden Freeza but I digress. To say that I'm "forcing" myself to like them and that it's "laughable" when it's my legitimate opinion is really disrespectful.

I also don't dislike these forms that much, i think they look decent. I just find them to be boring and unoriginal.
And i'm just stating the truth. No one can deny the fact that recolors have been laughed at in this site since the first fanfictions.
Hell, the entire dbz fanbase outside of this site is guilty of this. Now the same people are closing an eye with Toriyama.

[SSJGFrieza]

I'm so sick of hearing people bitch about the god and golden forms being underwhelming. Did you even watch Dragonball?

They spent the entire Namek arc building up Super Saiyan and it's literally just Goku's hair turning gold and spiky.

Freeza builds all the way up to his final form and it's this weird small little streamlined thing.

Trunks hyped up the Androids and they're two 90s teenagers.

You get all this build up to this monster of magical destructive energy and you get a fat ball of bubblegum. Then Buu reverts to his original form and it's just a midget version of him.

DB relies 100% on subverting expectations and I don't know why people don't understand that.

[Marco Polo]

I'm so sick of hearing people bitch about the god and golden forms being underwhelming. Did you even watch Dragonball?

They spent the entire Namek arc building up Super Saiyan and it's literally just Goku's hair turning gold and spiky.

Are you seriously suggesting that the Super Saiyan transformation was underwhelming and subverting expectations? Like, really?

[SSJGFrieza]

I'm so sick of hearing people bitch about the god and golden forms being underwhelming. Did you even watch Dragonball?

They spent the entire Namek arc building up Super Saiyan and it's literally just Goku's hair turning gold and spiky.

Are you seriously suggesting that the Super Saiyan transformation was underwhelming and subverting expectations? Like, really?

SSJ was just gold and spikier hair. I'm sure people were expecting more when it was first revealed.

[fexus]

Concerning the negativity...

All i know is that if someone in this very site posted his fanfiction and made Blue SSJ and Golden Freezer, he would have been laughed at. Perhaps even humiliated, told to go back to Deviantart.

Now that Toriyama did it tho, the very same people who would have bashed the recolors in a fanfiction are closing an eye, even forcing themselves to like it.

I find this whole thing laughable.

Nah, people would support it. Just look at all the fanfic in the Fan-Created Works. Look at Multiverse, AF and New Age. That's fanfiction.

There are little to no recolors in Multiverse, AF and New Age.
There are only semi-recolors. Aka the physique changes along the colors. And most of these semi-recolors are dedicated to new characters anyway. (Like King Cold Final Form)

Even SSJ5 in AF is more original than Super Cyan. At least it also changed the face features, hairstyle and costume instead of adding a simple silver recoloration to SSJ4.

I find this offensive. I've already expressed my concerns about this movie and it's obvious from my posts I don't think it'll be any good, but I also happen to like the designs of the two transformations, SSGSS more than Golden Freeza but I digress. To say that I'm "forcing" myself to like them and that it's "laughable" when it's my legitimate opinion is really disrespectful.

I also don't dislike these forms that much, i think they look decent. I just find them to be boring and unoriginal.
And i'm just stating the truth. No one can deny the fact that recolors have been laughed at in this site since the first fanfictions.
Hell, the entire dbz fanbase outside of this site is guilty of this. Now the same people are closing an eye with Toriyama.

I'm talking about that those are real fanfictions with even more ridiculous transformation. SSJ5? More hair? Black eyes? Tattoos? More muscles? Glowing eyes? Really? Those feel even more like a fanfic than recolours because those really are fanfic. People really only complain about recolours because they expect more bigger transformation and SSGSS isn't even a different transformation.

[Flame Dragon]

SSJ actually is a great transformation, because it completely changes the appearance of the hair.
Goku SSJ hair looks nothing like his normal hair, yet you can still tell it's just his hair but elevated up.
Same goes for Trunks SSJ form.
Vegeta SSJ form looks the same just because his hair is already all spiky and elevated.

Every Saiyan had a unique hairstyle Base design and SSJ design. It's only when he made SSJ2 (other than Kid Gohan) and SSJ3 that everyone started looking the same.

[Dyno]

SSJ was just gold and spikier hair. I'm sure people were expecting more when it was first revealed.

I'm sure people weren't even expecting a difference like that. There is a point where Vegeta claims he has become a Super Saiyan after being injured by Kuririn and healed by Dende, but nothing had changed visually. The "Super Saiyan" could then be anything.

And what kind of transformation did you want? I'm perfectly fine with the hair just going spikier and gold, it is not meant to transform the Saiyan into a monster Yu-Gi-Oh!-like. It is a simple and good-looking transformation, and thankfully Super Saiyan 2 followed that way, only being even more awesome with that lightning sparks and some other minor details.
I'm afraid I can't say the same for this, uh... "Golden Freeza". I'm pretty sure Toriyama could have given him a little more details, keeping him simple, but giving him a convincent change.

Sorry if it has been posted earlier...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQg20r0R73A

Thank you, don't think it was posted yet. Try to make some avatars out of it.

[fexus]

SSJ was just gold and spikier hair. I'm sure people were expecting more when it was first revealed.

I'm sure people weren't even expecting a difference like that. There is a point where Vegeta claims he has become a Super Saiyan after being injured by Kuririn and healed by Dende, but nothing had changed visually. The "Super Saiyan" could then be anything.

And what kind of transformation did you want? I'm perfectly fine with the hair just going spikier and gold, it is not meant to transform the Saiyan into a monster Yu-Gi-Oh!-like. It is a simple and good-looking transformation, and thankfully Super Saiyan 2 followed that way, only being even more awesome with that lightning sparks and some other minor details.
I'm afraid I can't say the same for this, uh... "Golden Freeza". I'm pretty sure Toriyama could have given him a little more details, keeping him simple, but giving him a convincent change.

SSJ2 has less change than Golden Freeza.

[Sshadow5001]

Sorry if it has been posted earlier...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQg20r0R73A

If I ain't see it, it's new to me.

[Doctor.]

Goku looks so good around 0:07 - 0:09, best shot of SSGSS yet.

I noticed Goku as a hole in his Gi on the CGI Kamehameha, so that's the one that kills Freeza... eh...

[TheGmGoken]

I'm so sick of hearing people bitch about the god and golden forms being underwhelming. Did you even watch Dragonball?

Yes. All 4 series of it. Golden Freeza has to be the worse transformation that I've seen in anime history. The gold form looks fucking arocious. That gold and purple looks terribly done and rushed considering gold and purple usually match. It's like Toriyama was bored and accidentally spilled purple and gold on a BW picture. Freeza's purple face look like someone pulled a prank on him. You know what Freeza look like? The Gold Kneecap from Fairly Odd Parents. Even the minor changes. He looks utterly pathetic.

Bluper SSJ looks bad straight up. There's no Mystical factor or God factor to it Imo. It looks dry and looks terrible on Goku and Vegeta (which shocked me). They look like Korean bootlegs DBZ characters (Korea made lots of. Bootleg shows). Simply out forth. It's terrible. Absolutely terrible. Explain exactly why SSJ Blue exist? Not in universe, out of universe.

It really doesn't. We got to see SSGSS. Golden Freeza. Some character development for Goku and Vegeta but mostly Goku. We learn more about Whis and it also shows Jaco animated the first time and him interacting with the main cast. Krillin shaves his head again. This isn't even close to a filler movie.

SSgSSJ could easily debut in DBS like SSJ3 did. Golden Freeza... meh(design wise. Haven't seen movie) He's dying anyways. Goku being too cocky is a repeat of Roshi and Popo training. We only learnt about Whis time travel. Jaco could debut in DBS. His role reminds me of Ten and Krillin anime debut before manga. Gohan grew a tail in filler just like JKrillin can shave. It's hair no big deal.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Sorry if it has been posted earlier...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQg20r0R73A

That was awesome, thanks!! Really like SSGSS the more I see.

[Marlowe89]

SSJ actually is a great transformation, because it completely changes the appearance of the hair.
Goku SSJ hair looks nothing like his normal hair, yet you can still tell it's just his hair but elevated up.
Same goes for Trunks SSJ form.
Vegeta SSJ form looks the same just because his hair is already all spiky and elevated.

Every Saiyan had a unique hairstyle Base design and SSJ design. It's only when he made SSJ2 (other than Kid Gohan) and SSJ3 that everyone started looking the same.

Even with elevated hair, Super Saiyan isn't all that different-looking from their base forms. Super Saiyan 2 is actually by and large even less of a change than the forms in the new films, so I'm not sure why people suddenly have an issue with blue Super Saiyan or Golden Freeza when simplicity has always been Toriyama's MO in regards to aesthetic choices. He even specifically made it clear in the BoG interview that after Super Saiyan 3, he felt that going back to his "simple yet powerful" design philosophy would be more appropriate for the film.

A recolor, if anything, is much truer to the nature of Toriyama's vision for the series than the frankly ridiculous exaggerated designs of AF, Multiverse, and even official material like GT. A lot of the same people who snark at palette swaps on DA also probably snark at the new forms (as you yourself seem to be proof of) so I'm not sure what gives you the impression that there's this almost universal love for Blueper Saiyan or Golden Freeza just because Toriyama's involved.

[fexus]

I'm so sick of hearing people bitch about the god and golden forms being underwhelming. Did you even watch Dragonball?

Yes. All 4 series of it. Golden Freeza has to be the worse transformation that I've seen in anime history. The gold form looks fucking arocious. That gold and purple looks terribly done and rushed considering gold and purple usually match. It's like Toriyama was bored and accidentally spilled purple and gold on a BW picture. Freeza's purple face look like someone pulled a prank on him. You know what Freeza look like? The Gold Kneecap from Fairly Odd Parents. Even the minor changes. He looks utterly pathetic.

Bluper SSJ looks bad straight up. There's no Mystical factor or God factor to it Imo. It looks dry and looks terrible on Goku and Vegeta (which shocked me). They look like Korean bootlegs DBZ characters (Korea made lots of. Bootleg shows). Simply out forth. It's terrible. Absolutely terrible. Explain exactly why SSJ Blue exist? Not in universe, out of universe.

It really doesn't. We got to see SSGSS. Golden Freeza. Some character development for Goku and Vegeta but mostly Goku. We learn more about Whis and it also shows Jaco animated the first time and him interacting with the main cast. Krillin shaves his head again. This isn't even close to a filler movie.

SSgSSJ could easily debut in DBS like SSJ3 did. Golden Freeza... meh(design wise. Haven't seen movie) He's dying anyways. Goku being too cocky is a repeat of Roshi and Popo training. We only learnt about Whis time travel. Jaco could debut in DBS. His role reminds me of Ten and Krillin anime debut before manga. Gohan grew a tail in filler just like JKrillin can shave. It's hair no big deal.

We actually get to see they train with Whis. The SSGSS is just an effect of that training. Actually it isn't, the training with Roshi and Popo is different. We learn something about Whis and about Beerus. Jaco could debut anywhere but he have a role in this and it is shown. He actually shave to show his determination to fight. That isn't nothing. So, what you're saying is that if we take out everything that make this doesn't look like a filler movie it will look like a filler movie? Gotcha.

[TheGmGoken]

We actually get to see they train with Whis. The SSGSS is just an effect of that training. Actually it isn't, the training with Roshi and Popo is different. We learn something about Whis and about Beerus. Jaco could debut anywhere but he have a role in this and it is shown. He actually shave to show his determination to fight. That isn't nothing. So, what you're saying is that if we take out everything that make this doesn't look like a filler movie it will look like a filler movie? Gotcha.

Yes we see them train with Whis. This was already known. Yes we know what SSGSSJ. I said out of universe not in universe (where Goku explained it). Gohan in filler return to his house but refused to go back fully because of determination to fight. Krillin shaving is a fun 18+Krillin moment I'm sure. But it's not a big deal. This indeed feels like a filler movie. We don't even see Freeza train. This could easily been first arc of DBS so they can expand more. But I guess not.

[fexus]

We actually get to see they train with Whis. The SSGSS is just an effect of that training. Actually it isn't, the training with Roshi and Popo is different. We learn something about Whis and about Beerus. Jaco could debut anywhere but he have a role in this and it is shown. He actually shave to show his determination to fight. That isn't nothing. So, what you're saying is that if we take out everything that make this doesn't look like a filler movie it will look like a filler movie? Gotcha.

Yes we see them train with Whis. This was already known. Yes we know what SSGSSJ. I said out of universe not in universe (where Goku explained it). Gohan in filler return to his house but refused to go back fully because of determination to fight. Krillin shaving is a fun 18+Krillin moment I'm sure. But it's not a big deal. This indeed feels like a filler movie. We don't even see Freeza train. This could easily been first arc of DBS so they can expand more. But I guess not.

So, you agree that the only way to make this look like a filler movie is to remove all the things that doesn't make it a filler movie and make it the first arc of DBS so that it would suddenly not become filler? Gotcha

[TheGmGoken]

We actually get to see they train with Whis. The SSGSS is just an effect of that training. Actually it isn't, the training with Roshi and Popo is different. We learn something about Whis and about Beerus. Jaco could debut anywhere but he have a role in this and it is shown. He actually shave to show his determination to fight. That isn't nothing. So, what you're saying is that if we take out everything that make this doesn't look like a filler movie it will look like a filler movie? Gotcha.

Yes we see them train with Whis. This was already known. Yes we know what SSGSSJ. I said out of universe not in universe (where Goku explained it). Gohan in filler return to his house but refused to go back fully because of determination to fight. Krillin shaving is a fun 18+Krillin moment I'm sure. But it's not a big deal. This indeed feels like a filler movie. We don't even see Freeza train. This could easily been first arc of DBS so they can expand more. But I guess not.

So, you agree that the only way to make this look like a filler movie is to remove all the things that doesn't make it a filler movie and make it the first arc of DBS so that it would suddenly not become filler? Gotcha

Nope. The entire movie felt like filler TO gain hype for DBS. And I said in DBS had this been the first arc, they should had expanded more and added more content to it. Such as Freeza training. So actually I'm suggesting to add more content in the movie.

[fexus]

Nope. The entire movie felt like filler TO gain hype for DBS. And I said in DBS had this been the first arc, they should had expanded more and added more content to it. Such as Freeza training. So actually I'm suggesting to add more content in the movie.

But making it the first arc would not change the content in anyway. Thus making it still filler by your standard. Adding content about Freeza training would make no difference as you said Freeza is going to die anyway. So, making claims that the movie is filler but still insist on making it the first arc of DBS so that it wouldn't be filler is really stupid. Does adding Goten fighing some other of Freeza underling that is actually stronger than Cell and getting SSGSS would not make it filler?