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ShadowWolf87 wrote:So you want them to show up and get one-shot by Freeza?
Goten and Trunks fused are now the strongest Zetto Senshi taking Goku and Vegeta of course... So First Form Freeza one-shot base Gohan that wasn't Mystic, how about SSJ3 Gotenks? Also, interactions would be pretty interesting.
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TheDevilsCorpse wrote:The hug scene is indeed in the manga, but Goku doesn't hug Gohan in the manga version. Gohan only hugs him. It's the anime that does the mutual hug thing.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
JahSly90 wrote:And it seems to me goku was the punching bag here not freeza.lmao I don't know why i heard the opposite from some people. Goku had the upper hand only because of freeza's weakness which kicked in later on in the fight.
Goku wasnt a punching bag (Freeza had the upper hand but Goku could still keep up) Freeza on the other hand became a punching bag in the last parts since his attacks couldnt do jack sh't anymore and couldnt keep up.
Flame Dragon wrote:
- 4 Months of training to reach God-level Was it ever said to not be possible ?
- God-level can be reached with training, instead of Magical means (like the Ritual) No one said Freeza couldn't do it,just the saiyans.
- Freeza remembering Bulma (HUGE PLOTHOLE) Freeza wasn't sure if he did or not.
- Shenron reviving Freeza in pieces. (guess then Namek Krillin should have been revived as dust then lol) Krillin couldn't be revived that way unlike Freeza.
- Vegeta being a pussy against Freeza until he was weakened by Goku. There's a big difference between being a pussy and being nervous which is what he was alongside Goku.
- Gohan and Piccolo needing more than 3 seconds to obliterate the 1000 soldiers. The reason it took so long was because they didn't want them dead,Freeza even says if Gohan wanted to he could have destroyed them in seconds.
- The stupid ring of Sorbet. What's wrong with it ?
- Gohan losing SSJ2 (WTF) and Ultimate in such a short time from BOG. Might as well kill him if you're going to treat the character like shit, Toriyama. Goku told Trunks that he needed training in order to control Ssj1 which is something Gohan didn't do for 12 years.
I can't believe his editor was impressed with this shit. You not liking it doesn't mean it's shit.
This is just a fanfiction made movie. I think it's safe to say you and everyone else who hate these new stories wouldn't if they were part of the manga's original run and vice versa,if the Cell arc for example was being made now instead you would be ripping it to parts.
If this is the way the writing is gonna be from now on, my excitement for Dragon Ball Super will be nonexistant.
You're loss.
Might as well watch GT, it might have less plotholes even lmao. Plot holes are the least of Gt's problems.
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Doctor. wrote:Besides Bulma knowing about Freeza and vice-versa and Hell getting retconned, which ones?
- 4 Months of training to reach God-level
- God-level can be reached with training, instead of Magical means (like the Ritual)
- Goku personality. He was cocky before but never so cocky. That was Vegeta shtick.
- Freeza remembering Bulma (HUGE PLOTHOLE)
- Shenron reviving Freeza in pieces. (guess then Namek Krillin should have been revived as dust then lol)
- Vegeta being a pussy against Freeza until he was weakened by Goku. Even tho Vegeta never was scared of opponents and instead kept charging head in even when he was clearly outmatched.
- Gohan and Piccolo needing more than 3 seconds to obliterate the 1000 soldiers.
- The stupid ring of Sorbet.
- Gohan losing SSJ2 (WTF) and Ultimate in such a short time from BOG. Might as well kill him if you're going to treat the character like shit, Toriyama.
And this is not mentioning the recolor fest.
I can't believe his editor was impressed with this shit. This is just a fanfiction made movie
If this is the way the writing is gonna be from now on, my excitement for Dragon Ball Super will be nonexistant.
Might as well watch GT, it might have less plotholes even lmao.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
The only inconsistency/mistake/plothole/error/failure/fail/miss call it whatever you want, in this movie is the "Bulma and Freeza" thing. For this, I need to thank Toriyama, this is a minor problem considering he could make this movie after Age 779, and then we would have a notable problem at the end of the manga.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Shenron reviving Freeza in pieces. (guess then Namek Krillin should have been revived as dust then lol)
I kinda took this as Shenlong not particularly wanting to revive Freeza, so he messed with them a little in an attempt to prevent their plan from working... while still technically granting their wish. He can't just refuse to grant a wish, not allowed to due to the whole "wish-granting dragon that comes from the Dragonballs" thing, but he can sort of half-ass a wish that he really, really doesn't want to grant, so long as there's a loophole that can be exploited.
The loophole was that "Freeza chunks" are apparently still "alive enough" to count as a revived Freeza (what with his ability to survive all kinds of absurd injuries way beyond what a human, Saiyan, etc. would), so he was able to revive Freeza in chunks. That wouldn't be the case with Krillin, who wouldn't be able to survive being cut in half either due to the fact that humans (and Saiyans, and most other species) don't have the ability of Freeza's race to survive those kinds of extreme injuries.
Flame Dragon wrote:It just makes the entirety of the Namek arc pointless, as Freeza just needed 4 months to surpass the Super Saiyans by 10 times.
In the end, the only reason that arc happened is because Freeza was a lazy fatass and a pussy.
Freeza's dialogue specifically implies that the training thing didn't occur to him until after he was revived. That's not laziness, that's Freeza typically being so arrogant in his own strength and so accustomed to being one of the most naturally powerful tyrants in the universe that he never thought to train.
Doctor. wrote:This shot looks beast, but what's up with the nose
Nothing, that's just how Yamamuro draws noses.
It's not that far from his work on Z.
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He just draws them bigger nowadays following GT, where everyone had giant noses:
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Afterwards, they kinda shrunk to a middle point between the two. You can see that in Battle of Gods and Revival of 'F'.
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I quite like it, personally.
Off topic but Z and GT look so gorgeous compared to BoG and RoF (Vegeta looks shiny and plastic there, very cheap looking)
Well, on that debate, I think that stuff like this
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look far better than anything DBZ and GT ever made. If everything looked like this
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I'd agree with you.
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sbk wrote:Off topic but Z and GT look so gorgeous compared to BoG and RoF (Vegeta looks shiny and plastic there, very cheap looking)
Never really understood why some people think these films have a shiny look to them. The Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans remake, sure, but these films? I don't see it.
Is it the bright highlights and lack of grain killing the aesthetic for you?
Here's those highlights removed with grain added, and complimentary fucked up Dragon Box colours for fun:
Doctor. wrote:Besides Bulma knowing about Freeza and vice-versa and Hell getting retconned, which ones?
- 4 Months of training to reach God-level
- God-level can be reached with training, instead of Magical means (like the Ritual)
- Goku personality. He was cocky before but never so cocky. That was Vegeta shtick.
- Freeza remembering Bulma (HUGE PLOTHOLE)
- Shenron reviving Freeza in pieces. (guess then Namek Krillin should have been revived as dust then lol)
- Vegeta being a pussy against Freeza until he was weakened by Goku. Even tho Vegeta never was scared of opponents and instead kept charging head in even when he was clearly outmatched.
- Gohan and Piccolo needing more than 3 seconds to obliterate the 1000 soldiers.
- The stupid ring of Sorbet.
- Gohan losing SSJ2 (WTF) and Ultimate in such a short time from BOG. Might as well kill him if you're going to treat the character like shit, Toriyama.
And this is not mentioning the recolor fest.
I can't believe his editor was impressed with this shit. This is just a fanfiction made movie
If this is the way the writing is gonna be from now on, my excitement for Dragon Ball Super will be nonexistant.
Might as well watch GT, it might have less plotholes even lmao.
I'm not sure how Freeza being in pieces could be considered one, or what Krillin's revival has to do with it. Krillin was revived by Porunga, Porunga has far fewer limitations than Shenron.
Bulma being remembered by Freeza is inconsistent perhaps, but it's hardly anything that actually has impact on the plot. It's a minor detail at worst.
And the rest... really aren't plot holes by any stratch of the imagination, just personal issues. And the baseless insult is exactly the kind of toxicity in this fandom that makes me sick to my stomach.
Calling it a "fandom" at this point is a joke.
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I sat here for ten damn minutes wondering what the hell God of War had to do with any of this.
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