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Noah wrote:Not at all cause Roshi teached Ox King who could simply teach his daughter the same moves.
Roshi says at the start of his training with Goku and Kuririn that he doesn't teach any moves. So no, Gyuumao couldn't have taught any moves to his daughter.
It's in the manga during the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, that her moves remind Roshi of Kame School.
So there is plothole then. I've read it yesterday.
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Noah wrote:Not at all cause Roshi teached Ox King who could simply teach his daughter the same moves.
Roshi says at the start of his training with Goku and Kuririn that he doesn't teach any moves. So no, Gyuumao couldn't have taught any moves to his daughter.
It's in the manga during the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, that her moves remind Roshi of Kame School.
So there is plothole then. I've read it yesterday.
Yes, I was comparing that very minor plot hole (if you wish to call it that) to Bulma meeting Freeza. It's an error, yes, but doesn't impact the plot in any way, so I don't see why a big fuss should be made out of it.
SansrivaaL wrote:Why is it so hard to believe that Freeza got a glimpse of Bulma at planet Namek.... this is so weird
The problem with that is that we were with Freeza 24/7 on Namek. Unless he saw Bulma whilst he was flying to Saichoro's home and Bulma didn't see him, or something.
SansrivaaL wrote:Why is it so hard to believe that Freeza got a glimpse of Bulma at planet Namek.... this is so weird
The problem with that is that we were with Freeza 24/7 on Namek. Unless he saw Bulma whilst he was flying to Saichoro's home and Bulma didn't see him, or something.
I can understand Bulma not noticing him but Freeza getting a glance of Bulma wouldnt be that hard to believe since he was flying around Namek.
SansrivaaL wrote:Why is it so hard to believe that Freeza got a glimpse of Bulma at planet Namek.... this is so weird
The problem with that is that we were with Freeza 24/7 on Namek. Unless he saw Bulma whilst he was flying to Saichoro's home and Bulma didn't see him, or something.
I can understand Bulma not noticing him but Freeza getting a glance of Bulma wouldnt be that hard to believe since he was flying around Namek.
Don't scouters also function as cameras and transmitters? He could have seen footage of Bulma from his troops' scouters.
Polyphase Avatron wrote:Don't scouters also function as cameras and transmitters? He could have seen footage of Bulma from his troops' scouters.
He says he MET her.
Freeza: “Oh, I remember you. We met very briefly on Planet Namek, didn’t we? Where’s your friend Son Goku?”
That is what Freeza says in regards to Bulma. So yeah, according Freeza, he met Bulma either on Namek or Earth.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
dbzfan7 wrote:I think Toriyama cares about people, but he just doesn't about consistency. He cares more about telling the story he wants to tell and doesn't want to be held down by previous establishments. As much as I'd like for him to care more about continuity, I do kinda respect him for just doing his own thing anyway.
If he doesn't care about consistency he don't care about the story at all, to a good story telling it needs things to remain consistent to what already has been established 20 years ago, if he doesn't go that way... So yeah, we can all just pretend to not take this seriously as his past works, just for entertaining like TOEI Movies.
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Noah wrote:Not at all cause Roshi teached Ox King who could simply teach his daughter the same moves.
Roshi says at the start of his training with Goku and Kuririn that he doesn't teach any moves. So no, Gyuumao couldn't have taught any moves to his daughter.
So why did he teached moves to Son Gohan that was his apprentice just like Ox King was back then?
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Noah wrote:Not at all cause Roshi teached Ox King who could simply teach his daughter the same moves.
Roshi says at the start of his training with Goku and Kuririn that he doesn't teach any moves. So no, Gyuumao couldn't have taught any moves to his daughter.
I believe Roshi said that she was using his technique. Which she was.
"Moves", such as the Kamehameha, appear to have only been learned by his last pupils via mimicry, so that I could believe. But his fighting style is was was being referenced there, if we're talking 23rd Budokai.
"I wanted you to see what real courage is, instead of getting the idea that courage is a man with a gun in his hand. It’s when you know you’re licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what." - Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird (1960)
“I learned that courage was not the absence of fear, but the triumph over it. The brave man is not he who does not feel afraid, but he who conquers that fear.” - Nelson Mandela
dbzfan7 wrote:I think Toriyama cares about people, but he just doesn't about consistency. He cares more about telling the story he wants to tell and doesn't want to be held down by previous establishments. As much as I'd like for him to care more about continuity, I do kinda respect him for just doing his own thing anyway.
If he doesn't care about consistency he don't care about the story at all, to a good story telling it needs things to remain consistent to what already has been established 20 years ago, if he doesn't go that way... So yeah, we can all just pretend to not take this seriously as his past works, just for entertaining like TOEI Movies.
I'm going to ask again: why are people acting as if continuity is now destroyed over one little throwaway line that doesn't even impact the plot? If you took that sentence out of the script, what's lost? Nothing. It's dialogue, not a bit of data, nothing more. I've seen worse offenses in other series get a bigger pass than this.
"I wanted you to see what real courage is, instead of getting the idea that courage is a man with a gun in his hand. It’s when you know you’re licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what." - Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird (1960)
“I learned that courage was not the absence of fear, but the triumph over it. The brave man is not he who does not feel afraid, but he who conquers that fear.” - Nelson Mandela
ShadowWolf87 wrote:I believe Roshi said that she was using his technique. Which she was.
"Moves", such as the Kamehameha, appear to have only been learned by his last pupils via mimicry, so that I could believe. But his fighting style is was was being referenced there, if we're talking 23rd Budokai.
There's no fighting style, that's exactly what Roshi says; the training Kuririn and Goku did is all his school has to offer.
Polyphase Avatron wrote:Does anyone have a picture of the drawing Jaco did of Freeza? I'm curious to see it.
You can see half of it in this picture from the film's pamphlet:
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Haha!
That looks hilariously awful!
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
dbzfan7 wrote:I think Toriyama cares about people, but he just doesn't about consistency. He cares more about telling the story he wants to tell and doesn't want to be held down by previous establishments. As much as I'd like for him to care more about continuity, I do kinda respect him for just doing his own thing anyway.
If he doesn't care about consistency he don't care about the story at all, to a good story telling it needs things to remain consistent to what already has been established 20 years ago, if he doesn't go that way... So yeah, we can all just pretend to not take this seriously as his past works, just for entertaining like TOEI Movies.
Yes because Bulma and Freeza met all of sudden Toriyama doesn't care about story? Jeez. Do you know how silly you sounds right now? And it is not like Toriyama has ever been consistent before.
ShadowWolf87 wrote:I believe Roshi said that she was using his technique. Which she was.
"Moves", such as the Kamehameha, appear to have only been learned by his last pupils via mimicry, so that I could believe. But his fighting style is was was being referenced there, if we're talking 23rd Budokai.
There's no fighting style, that's exactly what Roshi says; the training Kuririn and Goku did is all his school has to offer.
Except we've seen a specific pattern of strikes associated with those who've been taught by Roshi.
"I wanted you to see what real courage is, instead of getting the idea that courage is a man with a gun in his hand. It’s when you know you’re licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what." - Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird (1960)
“I learned that courage was not the absence of fear, but the triumph over it. The brave man is not he who does not feel afraid, but he who conquers that fear.” - Nelson Mandela
ShadowWolf87 wrote:I believe Roshi said that she was using his technique. Which she was.
"Moves", such as the Kamehameha, appear to have only been learned by his last pupils via mimicry, so that I could believe. But his fighting style is was was being referenced there, if we're talking 23rd Budokai.
There's no fighting style, that's exactly what Roshi says; the training Kuririn and Goku did is all his school has to offer.
Except we've seen a specific pattern of strikes associated with those who've been taught by Roshi.
Again, Roshi says he doesn't teach anything and we've seen he doesn't teach anything when Kuririn and Goku entered the Tenkaichi Budokai for the first time, I'm not sure why you're arguing against clear exposition provided by the owner of the school himself. Regardless, don't know why we're arguing this, my point is that it's insignificant.
Polyphase Avatron wrote:Does anyone have a picture of the drawing Jaco did of Freeza? I'm curious to see it.
Here's my artist rendition.
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Rocketman(In response to a post about Pandora's Box) wrote:
I sat here for ten damn minutes wondering what the hell God of War had to do with any of this.
Insertclevername wrote:I plan to lose my virginity to Dragon Box 2.
