Younger generation as main heroes in Super - for real

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Mon May 04, 2015 6:31 am

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:New Jump promotion for Dragon Ball Super says Goku will be fighting forever. Not saying the next generation can't be part of the main cast, but I doubt they are going to be THE main heroes.

Where's this promotion? You got a scan?

coola · Post by **coola** » Mon May 04, 2015 6:38 am

SpiritBombTriumphant wrote:I know this may not be the best place for it, but honestly my theory for the end of Super is that Goku will become a God or some sort of deity who guards Earth (or maybe the universe) from evil. I'm not sure if it's a direct quote from Toei's press release on the show or if someone just farted it in, but I recall the plot synopsis saying that Goku will "attempt to keep Earth's fragile peace." Combined with the fact that he has become a God as of Battle of Gods and then palette swapped into a blue Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, I think the whole endgame here will be that Goku becomes immortal and the protector of the universe and everything good.

It's nothing except a theory, but it'd be nice. As for OP's topic, Toriyama tried that and reverted it back to Goku. And honestly, Goku is Dragon Ball. Every time I think of the show, I think of Goku. He is at it from the very beginning to the very end and has the perfect personality: pure of heart, defends good from evil, never fights to kill, always wants to get stronger. Basically, he has the traits of love, peace, forgiving, and courage/determination. He's perfect. Gohan on the other hand doesn't like fighting and slacks off.

Honestly, I think that the most memorable part of Z is Goku's battle with Freeza. It was purely a battle between good and evil. When he transforms into a Super Saiyan and says "I know this is where I need to be," he is the sole protector of the universe at that point and the only one who can/does stop Freeza. It is epitomized in that moment as he stares at Freeza before Gohan flies away with the downed Piccolo. Goku is simply too iconic from that transformation scene to ever be truly replaced.

TL;DR Goku is too iconic because 90% of the series focuses on him, and the SSJ transformation is solidified into everyone's mind.

With all respect, Goku become real jerk in Cell/Buu Saga, who wanted to sacrifice the entire Universe, to have good fight, and he wanted kids to take care of problem HE himself created. I agree that sudden switch would be bad, but, with good writing, passing the torch could happen, i understand Toryama tried to do it, but maybe this time?

sangofe wrote:
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:New Jump promotion for Dragon Ball Super says Goku will be fighting forever. Not saying the next generation can't be part of the main cast, but I doubt they are going to be THE main heroes.
Where's this promotion? You got a scan?

In previous page there is a quote from TheRed259, who wrote, that scan was from 1995 Jump, before fight with Uub.

MCDaveG · Post by **MCDaveG** » Mon May 04, 2015 7:48 am

Yes, please! I loved Uub as a kid! I want to see him more after the ending of Z in official spin-off. I don't care about useless Gohan, he is useless since GT, lol.

vegitot · Post by **vegitot** » Mon May 04, 2015 8:14 am

New generation will start in the final episode

dbboxkaifan · Post by **dbboxkaifan** » Mon May 04, 2015 8:27 am

It's about time they should. Goku should be seen as none other than the superhero who always saved the world but now he's handling the crown to someone else who'll be worthy of it.

Dragon Ball is becoming like Pokémon Mario and CoD franchises, and well, that's not exactly a good thing.

bubibartra · Post by **bubibartra** » Mon May 04, 2015 3:57 pm

dbboxkaifan wrote:It's about time they should. Goku should be seen as none other than the superhero who always saved the world but now he's handling the crown to someone else who'll be worthy of it.

Dragon Ball is becoming like Pokémon Mario and CoD franchises, and well, that's not exactly a good thing.

Goku is not a classical hero,. Goku is a selfish warrior, fighting puts above all... and this is good, classical good heros isn´t for Dragon ball

Sinestro · Post by **Sinestro** » Mon May 04, 2015 4:50 pm

Lord Beerus wrote: Goku already tried to do that in the manga. Three times.

This made me laugh so hard. I don't know why. Thanks for that.

Lord Beerus · Post by **Lord Beerus** » Mon May 04, 2015 4:59 pm

coola wrote:With all respect, Goku become real jerk in Cell/Buu Saga, who wanted to sacrifice the entire Universe, to have good fight, and he wanted kids to take care of problem HE himself created. I agree that sudden switch would be bad, but, with good writing, passing the torch could happen, i understand Toryama tried to do it, but maybe this time?

If anyone is to blame for the Majin Boo debacle, It's Supreme Kai. He came up with the dumbest strategy of killing Majin Boo possible. And it lead the situation getting so bad, it lead the situation being practically unsalvageable to the point where Z-Fighters pretty much had to battle Majin Boo whether they liked to or not.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon May 04, 2015 11:22 pm

bubibartra wrote:Goku is not a classical hero

Yes he is. He's perfectly in the mold of the classical heroes like Hercules.

Mystic Tien · Post by **Mystic Tien** » Tue May 05, 2015 10:38 am

Doctor. wrote:Doesn't JoJo replace the main character all the time?

Each (well, at least from what I've seen) new main character is a grandson of a previous one. In the way it is not possible for the main character in the next part to be the previous one, because he either dies, or is too old. Well, Joseph is the main character in Stardust Crusaders though, but he is only secondary to his own grandson - Jotaro.

Mystic Tien · Post by **Mystic Tien** » Tue May 05, 2015 10:44 am

SpiritBombTriumphant wrote:" he is the sole protector of the universe at that point and the only one who can/does stop Freeza

Well, Kaioshin, Beerus, Whis could easily do that.

coola wrote:
With all respect, Goku become real jerk in Cell/Buu Saga, who wanted to sacrifice the entire Universe, to have good fight, and he wanted kids to take care of problem HE himself created. I agree that sudden switch would be bad, but, with good writing, passing the torch could happen, i understand Toryama tried to do it, but maybe this time?

Exactly. Agree with everything what you've said. Exactly my feelings.

Lord Beerus wrote:
coola wrote:With all respect, Goku become real jerk in Cell/Buu Saga, who wanted to sacrifice the entire Universe, to have good fight, and he wanted kids to take care of problem HE himself created. I agree that sudden switch would be bad, but, with good writing, passing the torch could happen, i understand Toryama tried to do it, but maybe this time?
If anyone is to blame for the Majin Boo debacle, It's Supreme Kai. He came up with the dumbest strategy of killing Majin Boo possible. And it lead the situation getting so bad, it lead the situation being practically unsalvageable to the point where Z-Fighters pretty much had to battle Majin Boo whether they liked to or not.

Vegeta, Goku, Babidi (obviously) and Kaioshin should be blamed for it. Now with revelation that you can train for years/months and become much stronger (Beerus, Frieza), Kaioshin looks even more stupid. If he only trained all these millions of years, he could have easily defeated Buu.

DBZGTKOSDH · Post by **DBZGTKOSDH** » Tue May 05, 2015 10:54 am

Lord Beerus wrote:If anyone is to blame for the Majin Boo debacle, It's Supreme Kai. He came up with the dumbest strategy of killing Majin Boo possible. And it lead the situation getting so bad, it lead the situation being practically unsalvageable to the point where Z-Fighters pretty much had to battle Majin Boo whether they liked to or not.

If the Saiyans had followed Kaioshin's plan, Boo would have never been revived.

Lord Beerus · Post by **Lord Beerus** » Tue May 05, 2015 2:35 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:If anyone is to blame for the Majin Boo debacle, It's Supreme Kai. He came up with the dumbest strategy of killing Majin Boo possible. And it lead the situation getting so bad, it lead the situation being practically unsalvageable to the point where Z-Fighters pretty much had to battle Majin Boo whether they liked to or not.
If the Saiyans had followed Kaioshin's plan, Boo would have never been revived.

Kaioshin's plan was stupid though. Hell, what even was his plan? To allow Yamu and Spopovich to gather energy to revive Majin Buu and then track down Babidi? Well, that was great plan except it lead to Kibito being killed by Dabra and Piccolo and Krillin being turned into stone. Supreme Kai then made the fatal error of incredibly underestimating a Saiyans strength which lead to Vegeta, who technically the strongest person alive at that stage, being the prime candidate to Babidi's mind control. Then Vegeta became evil and went on a killing spree to force Goku to fight him, which he eventually had to, to stop Vegeta from killing more innocent people and then Majin Buu was resurrected.

SingleFringe&Sparks · Post by **SingleFringe&Sparks** » Tue May 05, 2015 4:14 pm

coola wrote:With all respect, Goku become real jerk in Cell/Buu Saga, who wanted to sacrifice the entire Universe, to have good fight, and he wanted kids to take care of problem HE himself created. I agree that sudden switch would be bad, but, with good writing, passing the torch could happen, i understand Toryama tried to do it, but maybe this time?

After the Freeza saga though he changed from fighting as a human or a deciplined martial arts, to fighting as a Saiyan; where we know their instincts are to just to do whatever they can to prolong competition rather than actually prevent it. (Vegeta). Goku in the Cell saga was trying to pass the torche but solely thought that Gohan's inner ki was their secret weapon until he had to realize that Gohan struggled more than he estimated because Gohan doesnt know how to use it. He tried to do the same thing in the Buu saga, more conident on Gotenks/Gohan to easily overpower Buu but that failed because he just scales everything by power; not by character. I see Goku's jerkiness came from his own ignorance and his own blind Saiyan pride.

Lord Beerus wrote:If anyone is to blame for the Majin Boo debacle, It's Supreme Kai. He came up with the dumbest strategy of killing Majin Boo possible. And it lead the situation getting so bad, it lead the situation being practically unsalvageable to the point where Z-Fighters pretty much had to battle Majin Boo whether they liked to or not.

How exactly? Everything he tried to do was out of an overestimating precaution he made out of post-traumatic fear really.

Vice · Post by **Vice** » Tue May 05, 2015 4:16 pm

It's not going to happen and even it did, I wouldn't watch. I've no interest in Pan or Uub or Bra or any of those worthless characters.

One_Instance · Post by **One_Instance** » Tue May 05, 2015 4:48 pm

Vice wrote:It's not going to happen and even it did, I wouldn't watch. I've no interest in Pan or Uub or Bra or any of those worthless characters.

How do you know they're worthless when they haven't even been given a real chance to prove themselves as valuable characters outside of GT?

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Tue May 05, 2015 5:00 pm

bubibartra wrote:
dbboxkaifan wrote:It's about time they should. Goku should be seen as none other than the superhero who always saved the world but now he's handling the crown to someone else who'll be worthy of it.

Dragon Ball is becoming like Pokémon Mario and CoD franchises, and well, that's not exactly a good thing.
Goku is not a classical hero,. Goku is a selfish warrior, fighting puts above all... and this is good, classical good heros isn´t for Dragon ball

Goku gave up his life for the Earth, twice, he's the ultimate hero.

DBZGTKOSDH · Post by **DBZGTKOSDH** » Tue May 05, 2015 5:44 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:Kaioshin's plan was stupid though. Hell, what even was his plan? To allow Yamu and Spopovich to gather energy to revive Majin Buu and then track down Babidi? Well, that was great plan except it lead to Kibito being killed by Dabra and Piccolo and Krillin being turned into stone. Supreme Kai then made the fatal error of incredibly underestimating a Saiyans strength which lead to Vegeta, who technically the strongest person alive at that stage, being the prime candidate to Babidi's mind control. Then Vegeta became evil and went on a killing spree to force Goku to fight him, which he eventually had to, to stop Vegeta from killing more innocent people and then Majin Buu was resurrected.

Kaioshin's plan was to let Spopovitch & Yamu take Gohan's energy, gather the Z-Senshi as his allies, and follow the bad guys to Babidi's place. Then, with the help of the Z-Senshi, he would have defeated Babidi & his men before they were to get a chance to revive Boo. If the Saiyans had cooperated properly (instead of making the rule to fight one-on-one only, and fighting each other), then Boo would have remained sealed, and Babidi & his men would have been killed easily.

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Tue May 05, 2015 5:56 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:Kaioshin's plan was stupid though. Hell, what even was his plan? To allow Yamu and Spopovich to gather energy to revive Majin Buu and then track down Babidi? Well, that was great plan except it lead to Kibito being killed by Dabra and Piccolo and Krillin being turned into stone. Supreme Kai then made the fatal error of incredibly underestimating a Saiyans strength which lead to Vegeta, who technically the strongest person alive at that stage, being the prime candidate to Babidi's mind control. Then Vegeta became evil and went on a killing spree to force Goku to fight him, which he eventually had to, to stop Vegeta from killing more innocent people and then Majin Buu was resurrected.
Kaioshin's plan was to let Spopovitch & Yamu take Gohan's energy, gather the Z-Senshi as his allies, and follow the bad guys to Babidi's place. Then, with the help of the Z-Senshi, he would have defeated Babidi & his men before they were to get a chance to revive Boo. If the Saiyans had cooperated properly (instead of making the rule to fight one-on-one only, and fighting each other), then Boo would have remained sealed, and Babidi & his men would have been killed easily.

That is how i see it. Kaioshin's plan would have worked out perfectly if the Saiyans had just done the job properly.

bleed0range · Post by **bleed0range** » Tue May 05, 2015 6:10 pm

Scott wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:Kaioshin's plan was stupid though. Hell, what even was his plan? To allow Yamu and Spopovich to gather energy to revive Majin Buu and then track down Babidi? Well, that was great plan except it lead to Kibito being killed by Dabra and Piccolo and Krillin being turned into stone. Supreme Kai then made the fatal error of incredibly underestimating a Saiyans strength which lead to Vegeta, who technically the strongest person alive at that stage, being the prime candidate to Babidi's mind control. Then Vegeta became evil and went on a killing spree to force Goku to fight him, which he eventually had to, to stop Vegeta from killing more innocent people and then Majin Buu was resurrected.
Kaioshin's plan was to let Spopovitch & Yamu take Gohan's energy, gather the Z-Senshi as his allies, and follow the bad guys to Babidi's place. Then, with the help of the Z-Senshi, he would have defeated Babidi & his men before they were to get a chance to revive Boo. If the Saiyans had cooperated properly (instead of making the rule to fight one-on-one only, and fighting each other), then Boo would have remained sealed, and Babidi & his men would have been killed easily.
That is how i see it. Kaioshin's plan would have worked out perfectly if the Saiyans had just done the job done properly.

It's true. It was all their fault. But then we wouldn't have had a major villain for a whole final arc! Haha.

Kanzenshuu

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