Complete list of plotholes/continuity issues in the movies

[Dyno]

According to who? They are Saiyans, they have different growth rate to humans. Definitely not a plothole.

In regards to Trunks, it is indeed a plothole, we see and pretty much know how Trunks looks like being 14 years old, yet, he appeared in Movie 14 just like he was depicted in Buu saga, even though he is actually 12.

[EXBadguy]

So tell me, why did Gohan look like this at age 5-6 and this at age 11, minus the Super Saiyan colored hair?

Gohan is not the same person as Goten. Gohan is not the same person as Trunks. Different people are allowed to have different growth rates. We don't even need to assume that it's necessarily because they're Saiyans.

Alright, fair. But if BoG was set 7 years after the Buu battle, instead of 5, and if the present Trunks doesn't grow at all, there'll be problems, cuz the future young Trunks in his special part of the manga that TORIYAMA HIMSELF wrote was 14 and he looked taller.

Maybe Goten and Trunks got the gene for Saiyan height growth and Gohan didn't?

For Trunks, maybe, cuz Vegeta is short, but for Goten, it just sounds like an excuse. I know I said most of the inconsistencies can be overlooked, but this ain't cutting it. Goten and Gohan are brothers, so Goten's physique is supposed to change. Goten can be still be short for all I care, after all, that's how most genes are, one brother's taller than the other, I just wished his body features mildly changed.

Again, Gohan's physique(not height) changed at age 11, so why not Goten's.

[Zephyr]

For Trunks, maybe, cuz Vegeta is short, but for Goten, it just sounds like an excuse.

No, I'm referring to the "stay small until you're almost 18ish, and then growth spurt" gene that Goku has, and Goten and present Trunks evidently have.

I just wished his body features mildly changed.

That would be really nice. But the current artstyle for the series seems to not really lend itself to that.

Really, the only height plothole here is Dende's, because we had seen him taller prior to this point in time. If a new film, or Super, depicts the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai, or a later point, and Goten and Trunks are still squirts, then it'll be a plothole. Until then it's just people expressing their dis-pleasure over Toriyama giving different characters different growth rates.

[saunasolmu]

According to who? They are Saiyans, they have different growth rate to humans. Definitely not a plothole.

In regards to Trunks, it is indeed a plothole, we see and pretty much know how Trunks looks like being 14 years old, yet, he appeared in Movie 14 just like he was depicted in Buu saga, even though he is actually 12.

So we see how he looks when he's 12 years old and that is different from what he looks when he's 14 years old. How can you even remotely draw a plot hole from that? Saiyans grow rapidly when they grow, they age fastly when they age. There's no plot hole.

[Dyno]

Trunks is an Earthling who happens to have 50% of Saiyan gene. We see a 12-years-old Trunks with the same appearance as he had when he was 8 years old. How can a child not grow from 8 to 12? Future Trunks is just being used as a reference, as they are the same person, both have the same genes/physics. There's no explanation to possibly say they can grow differently.

You are using Saiyans' logic to half-Saiyans. That indeed can happen, but not to every half-Saiyans. Son Gohan is an example of a "Saiyan-like growth", while in other cases, there can be an example of "Human-like growth", and Trunks is an example of that, again, using Future Trunks as an example.

[Hellspawn28]

I still go by the AU theory for the old 13 DBZ films seeing how none of them can fit expect for two and going by Toriyama comment on them being set in different dimensions. I don't think Toei never design them to fit anywhere in the timeline. Movie 9 and 13 are lucky enough to fit.

My theory on which AU that they are set in:

Movie 1 - Set in a world where Radditz never got sent to Earth. It explains why everyone knows Gohan and why Goku is surprise by Piccolo's weight clothes.

Movie 2 - Set in a world where Goku kills Vegeta, Piccolo never died and Freeza never found out about Namek. Goku and the others have to wait to use the Dragon Balls again to wish back the others.

Movie 3 - Set in a world where no one died and Goku kills Vegeta.

Movie 4 - Set in a world where Goku kills Freeza with the Genki Dama and the others choose not be to wish back for a while to keep on training to get stronger.

Movies 5 & 6 (set in one world) - Set in a world where Future Trunks never went back to the past which explains why Trunks was never seen or mention in both movies. Kami finds out about Dr. Gero and has Piccolo fuse with him to stop him. Piccolo kills Dr. Gero, #19 and Cell.

Movie 7 - Set in a world where there is no Cell. #17 and #18 get destroy by the bombs inside them and Cell never steals Trunks time machine. Goku ends up healing from the virus sooner and he lost strength. No one trains in the Room of Time and Space, so it explains why everyone is so weak in the film.

Movie 8 - 11 (set in one world) - There's no Cell games and Cell chose to go around killing people one by one instead. Goku dies in all out battle with Cell and Gohan kills Cell. Goku never goes to Other World, so Kaioshin gets the help of Vegeta, Gohan and Piccolo to stop Dabra and Babidi. Vegeta kills Dabra and Babidi, there's no Majin Buu.

Movie 12 - Set in a world where all of the past 11 movies are set in one timeline. Gohan kills Super Buu which explains why Fat Buu is nowhere to be seen with Mr. Satan. Not to mention Gohan is so strong to kill Freeza in one punch with no effort. I doubt Base Gohan could do that going by Beerus comment in BOG.

[DemonRin]

Alright, fair. But if BoG was set 7 years after the Buu battle, instead of 5, and if the present Trunks doesn't grow at all, there'll be problems, cuz the future young Trunks in his special part of the manga that TORIYAMA HIMSELF wrote was 14 and he looked taller.

Plausible explanations as to why Trunks in BoG and Trunks in History of Trunks look different:

1: It's commonly accepted that certain factors in a kid's life including genes, environment, and diet factor into a kid's growth/height. It stands to reason that a Trunks that grew up the spoiled son of Bulma Briefs in a world that saw no turmoil in his formative years might grow at a different rate than a Trunks that grew up during the near extinction of the human race at the hands of the Cyborgs.

2: Growth Spurts are actually a thing. A child can suddenly grow quite a bit in a 2 year span of time. He was 12 in BoG, 14 in HoT. That's RIGHT in the puberty range for boys when you'd expect to see some kind of growth Spurt.

3: Toriyama's artstyle changed drastically in the time between when the History of Trunks special came out and now. The style commonly used in the Anime reflects this as well.
Here's Bulma from the Trunks Special.

Here's Bulma from the Boo arc

Here's Bulma from RoF

Basically, we have no idea what 14 year old Trunks SHOULD look like if drawn by the current anime staff in the current style.


So, your insistance that it's a "Plothole" that Trunks isn't noticably closer to looking like he did in History of Trunks doesn't really hold water, since any ONE of those things alone could easily explain this away, much less all 3 of them at the same time.

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

the purpose of the movies arent to fit into the main continuity. toriyama stated that they happen in a different dimension than the main story followed in the manga.

[Dayspring]

Movie-verse biggest plothole: movie 2 is a year after the Saiyan saga. Movie 3 is a year after movie 2. Movie 4 is a year after movie 3. All of these films are prior to Trunks killing Freeza.

[FoolsGil]

Movie 5

Icarus exists, as if Movies 3 and 4 are in continuity with Movie 5
No one knew Cooler was coming. Though in series everyone knew Freeza was coming when he was still in orbit.
Gohan has a tail again
Gohan is supposed to be stronger than the Cooler Armored Squadron
Goku has trouble achieving Super Saiyan

Movie 6

Vegeta know everyone was at New Namek, and where it was
Goku and Vegeta were not only drained of energy, but stayed in Super Saiyan form, and even overloaded Cooler shortly after.
Movie supposedly takes place during the Cell Games, but Gohan is not in his pre-teen body and is not a Super Saiyan. And it has to have taken place during the Cell Games, because Dende is Guardian of Earth.
Dende is Guardian of Earth, yet Piccolo is having trouble against Cyclopian Guards, and then against a single Metal Cooler

[Hellspawn28]

Movie 6 was released a year before the Cell games happen in the anime and manga. Either Toei knew what Toriyama had in plan for the future or Toriyama liked the idea of Dende being the new Kami of Earth.

[Zephyr]

Movie-verse biggest plothole: movie 2 is a year after the Saiyan saga. Movie 3 is a year after movie 2. Movie 4 is a year after movie 3. All of these films are prior to Trunks killing Freeza.

Worst part: Daizenshuu 6 lists them as all happening in the same year. Meaning, they all have to take place in different timelines.

[Basaku]

I'm sorry but it's almost amusing how convulted excuses fans can come up with to explain a simple laziness of Toriyama/Toei designer when it comes to updating Trunks/Goten's appearances.

[Lord Beerus]

I'm sorry but it's almost amusing how convulted excuses fans can come up with to explain a simple laziness of Toriyama/Toei designer when it comes to updating Trunks/Goten's appearances.

None of the theories brought up though are really all that convoluted. They're pretty simple themselves.

[Zephyr]

I'm sorry but it's almost amusing how convulted excuses fans can come up with to explain a simple laziness of Toriyama/Toei designer when it comes to updating Trunks/Goten's appearances.

It is probably laziness, but that laziness isn't giving rise to the plotholes or inconsistencies that people like to pretend that it is.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Inconsistencies in the new movies:

• In DBZ: Battle of Gods, it is said that Vegeta has a brother in another planet (a reference to Tarble from DB: Heya! Son Goku & Friends Return!!). However, Vegeta says in the manga (when trying to figure out how Trunks was a Super Saiyan), while speaking in his head, that he, Goku, and Gohan were the only remaining Saiyans.
• In DBZ: Battle of Gods, Bulma says that she is 38 years-old, while she actually should be 45. Mai also says that she is 41, which would make her 12 years-old in her first appearance in the manga, but she looks much older than that, which makes it impossible for her to be 41.
• In DBZ: Battle of Gods, Mr. Satan doesn't know who Dende is and doesn't know that he is the Kami of Earth, while he met him & learned that he is the Kami of Earth in the manga.
• In the manga, Shenlong can grant 3 wishes (or 2, when one wish is used to revive lots of people). However, in DBZ: Battle of Gods, Shenlong only grants one wish (he only granted one wish when Pilaf summoned him, and also granted only one wish when Goku summoned him). Then in DBZ: Resurrection "F", he only grants 2 wishes, even though none of the wishes revived more than one person.
• In DBZ: Battle of Gods, we learn that the gods' ki like Beerus, Whis, and the Super Saiyan God can't be sensed by mortals, and in DBZ: Resurrection "F", Goku says that he can't use Shunkan Ido because he can't sense Beerus' & Whis' ki, since they are gods. However, we've seen mortals sensing the ki of gods in the manga, such as when Gohan & Piccolo could sense Kami Dende's ki, and Goku traveled to Kaio numerous times by using Shunkan Ido.
• In DBZ: Resurrection "F", Shisami was said to be equal in ability to Zarbon & Dodoria, but he could fight evenly with Piccolo 4 months later, without any explanation.

[Dayspring]

Inconsistencies in the new movies:

• In DBZ: Battle of Gods, it is said that Vegeta has a brother in another planet (a reference to Tarble from DB: Heya! Son Goku & Friends Return!!). However, Vegeta says in the manga (when trying to figure out how Trunks was a Super Saiyan), while speaking in his head, that he, Goku, and Gohan were the only remaining Saiyans.
• In DBZ: Battle of Gods, Bulma says that she is 38 years-old, while she actually should be 45. Mai also says that she is 41, which would make her 12 years-old in her first appearance in the manga, but she looks much older than that, which makes it impossible for her to be 41.
• In DBZ: Battle of Gods, Mr. Satan doesn't know who Dende is and doesn't know that he is the Kami of Earth, while he met him & learned that he is the Kami of Earth in the manga.
• In the manga, Shenlong can grant 3 wishes (or 2, when one wish is used to revive lots of people). However, in DBZ: Battle of Gods, Shenlong only grants one wish (he only granted one wish when Pilaf summoned him, and also granted only one wish when Goku summoned him). Then in DBZ: Resurrection "F", he only grants 2 wishes, even though none of the wishes revived more than one person.
• In DBZ: Battle of Gods, we learn that the gods' ki like Beerus, Whis, and the Super Saiyan God can't be sensed by mortals, and in DBZ: Resurrection "F", Goku says that he can't use Shunkan Ido because he can't sense Beerus' & Whis' ki, since they are gods. However, we've seen mortals sensing the ki of gods in the manga, such as when Gohan & Piccolo could sense Kami Dende's ki, and Goku traveled to Kaio numerous times by using Shunkan Ido.
• In DBZ: Resurrection "F", Shisami was said to be equal in ability to Zarbon & Dodoria, but he could fight evenly with Piccolo 4 months later, without any explanation.

TARBLE: This is the first time Tarble has been seen since Raditz explained he was sent away as a baby. Vegeta then explains he was sent away for being ridiculously weak. Most likely, Vegeta thought he was dead all this time. Therefore, no inconsistency.
AGES: The jokes about them lying about their ages are only plotholes if you assume the jokes aren't jokes. Therefore, no inconsistency.
SATAN: It's fucking Satan. He didn't recognize Goku, Gohan and Vegeta during the Boo saga despite having seen them at the Cell Games. Therefore, no inconsistency.
DRAGONBALLS: There are no set rules pertaining to the Dragonballs after the Cell Games. Dende is shown to repeatedly be changing their functions and limitations over the years. Therefore, no inconsistency.
GOD KI: Dende, Kami and Kaio are not the gods of Creation and Destruction. Those are the gods whose ki cannot be sensed. Therefore, no inconsistency.
SHISAMI: No explanation is needed to explain why Shisami is able to fight Piccolo. Therefore, no inconsistency.

[Dyno]

TARBLE: This is the first time Tarble has been seen since Raditz explained he was sent away as a baby. Vegeta then explains he was sent away for being ridiculously weak. Most likely, Vegeta thought he was dead all this time. Therefore, no inconsistency.

You are actually trying to reasonate this. Vegeta doesn't mention "I thought you were dead, little brother". Therefore, it is an inconsistency.

AGES: The jokes about them lying about their ages are only plotholes if you assume the jokes aren't jokes. Therefore, no inconsistency.

Correct. Think this is up to a person's decision.

GOD KI: Dende, Kami and Kaio are not the gods of Creation and Destruction. Those are the gods whose ki cannot be sensed. Therefore, no inconsistency.

Kaios are indeed the Gods of Creation as well, as stated in Movie 14 and one of Toriyama's interview. Kaios are deities as well. Therefore, it is an inconsistency.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

TARBLE: This is the first time Tarble has been seen since Raditz explained he was sent away as a baby. Vegeta then explains he was sent away for being ridiculously weak. Most likely, Vegeta thought he was dead all this time. Therefore, no inconsistency.
AGES: The jokes about them lying about their ages are only plotholes if you assume the jokes aren't jokes. Therefore, no inconsistency.
SATAN: It's fucking Satan. He didn't recognize Goku, Gohan and Vegeta during the Boo saga despite having seen them at the Cell Games. Therefore, no inconsistency.
DRAGONBALLS: There are no set rules pertaining to the Dragonballs after the Cell Games. Dende is shown to repeatedly be changing their functions and limitations over the years. Therefore, no inconsistency.
GOD KI: Dende, Kami and Kaio are not the gods of Creation and Destruction. Those are the gods whose ki cannot be sensed. Therefore, no inconsistency.
SHISAMI: No explanation is needed to explain why Shisami is able to fight Piccolo. Therefore, no inconsistency.

What you are giving are explanations to fix the inconsistencies. Explanations that were never given officially. They are still inconsistencies, even though most of them can be easily explained.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

It makes no sense for Bulma or Mai to be lying given the context of the scenes.