Based on Manga Canon, could there be a non-GT SS4?

[Bacon Skittles]

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[Lord Beerus]

As far as I know, no. There isn't any evidence in the manga that Goku could create a SSJ4 form similar to the one in GT.

[Bacon Skittles]

I'm not talking about that monkey form, I'm talking about a successor to SS3.

[Hellspawn28]

Well it's possible but I doubt it will happen. Toriyama seems to be happy with the Super Saiyan God forms at the moment.

[Dayspring]

I'm not talking about that monkey form, I'm talking about a successor to SS3.

Highly unlikely. The whole point of SSJ3 is that it's all of the user's power (think "Super Saiyan Omega" instead of SSJ2 + 1 transformation). Meanwhile, the point of the blue-haired transformation in the new film is that the users' can tap into SSJ3 strength and more without the drawbacks of SSJ transformations.

[Hitiro]

SSJ4 was never a true successor to SSJ3 anyway really. The Perfect Files tell us that SSJ4 is named that way for convenience and it isn't a stretch to call the form an entirely different transformation line. Or words to that effect. Akira Toriyama also states in an interview that SSJ2 and SSJ3 were more like powered up variations of the SSJ form. To have a true successor to the SSJ3 form it would have to be a powered up variation of SSJ like the SSJ3 and SSJ2. I guess we could consider SSJGSSJ the successor to this because it's a powered up variation of the SSJ form.

[Lord Beerus]

SSJ4 was never a true successor to SSJ3 anyway really. The Perfect Files tell us that SSJ4 is named that way for convenience and it isn't a stretch to call the form an entirely different transformation line. Or words to that effect. Akira Toriyama also states in an interview that SSJ2 and SSJ3 were more like powered up variations of the SSJ form. To have a true successor to the SSJ3 form it would have to be a powered up variation of SSJ like the SSJ3 and SSJ2. I guess we could consider SSJGSSJ the successor to this because it's a powered up variation of the SSJ form.

You know what, I've never looked at it like that. But when you think about, it's very plausible.

[Basaku]

Perfect Files hardly has to 'tell' us it was named out of convenience and marketing reasons. By all purpouses the form is part of Oozaru progression in every aspect and it was clear from the show. Still the best thing about GT (despite the unfortunate name) and one of the best, even if not perfectly executed, transformation ideas in the entire franchise. Combining human and Oozaru forms fits the lore and franchise amazingly

[Angelus]

Based on Manga Canon, SSJ4 is just the Great Ape form on top of whichever SSJ form. If you can turn SSJ3 and happen to have a tail, and see a full moon or whichever artificial source, then you turn into a Great Ape and as a result get your power multiplied by 10. You'll be as a powerful as SSJ3 x 10. Or if you only want to be a SSJ2 because of SSJ3's strain then you can turn SSJ2 and then turn Great Ape, resulting in a power of SSJ2 x10 (which would be more than double of your power as a SSJ3).

[ZeroTheSuperSaiyan]

SSJ4 was never a true successor to SSJ3 anyway really. The Perfect Files tell us that SSJ4 is named that way for convenience and it isn't a stretch to call the form an entirely different transformation line. Or words to that effect. Akira Toriyama also states in an interview that SSJ2 and SSJ3 were more like powered up variations of the SSJ form. To have a true successor to the SSJ3 form it would have to be a powered up variation of SSJ like the SSJ3 and SSJ2. I guess we could consider SSJGSSJ the successor to this because it's a powered up variation of the SSJ form.

that's pretty much what I was going to say

besides I think the SSJ4 seen in GT was part of the Oozaru/Great Ape line anyway

but this is Dragon Ball and in a world with transformations like Super Saiyan, anything is possible

[Marlowe89]

SSJ4 was never a true successor to SSJ3 anyway really. The Perfect Files tell us that SSJ4 is named that way for convenience and it isn't a stretch to call the form an entirely different transformation line. Or words to that effect. Akira Toriyama also states in an interview that SSJ2 and SSJ3 were more like powered up variations of the SSJ form. To have a true successor to the SSJ3 form it would have to be a powered up variation of SSJ like the SSJ3 and SSJ2. I guess we could consider SSJGSSJ the successor to this because it's a powered up variation of the SSJ form.

I agree that SSGSS is a variation, but it's clear that it isn't "powered up" in the same sense as SS2 and SS3 where one transformation transitions into the next in a linear fashion. It's just Goku's initial Super Saiyan form drawing from a much higher source of power. In fact, all signs point to this being a replacement of the form much in the same way that FPSS "replaced" the Namek arc's SS, since Goku triggers it directly from base. Toriyama also stated that he wants Goku to stick to mastering SS1 in the same interview, and I think this is what he meant by that.

SSG, to me, is a little closer to a true successor since Goku is initially in his Super Saiyan state before he first progresses to that form. It's just not as useful as SSGSS, so it's pretty obsolete at this point.