How powerful could Cell get?

[Xeogran]

Id like to see Dragonball heroes have cell absorb super 17 or something similar.

Since you asked for something similar, here it is. This is Super 17 after having absorbed Cell.

Spoiler:

How the heck did he even 'absorb' Cell. To his arms?

[Dyno]

The same way Lapis and Hell Android 17 merged in Dragon Ball GT. Though I said "absorb" earlier, actually it works more like a merge/fusion.

[Brian4205]

Id like to see Dragonball heroes have cell absorb super 17 or something similar.

Since you asked for something similar, here it is. This is Super 17 after having absorbed Cell.

Spoiler:

How the heck did he even 'absorb' Cell. To his arms?

Thats less cool than I was hoping for..... I've seen that before but I thought it was just his muscular form from absorbing 18's constant energy barrage.

[fadeddreams5]

Have not read any other post, but I highly doubt Cell could survive another self-destruction. He survived the first one because he was downgraded to his 2nd form. In theory, if he self-destructed while in his Super Perfect form, the explosion would be much, much greater, vaporizing him entirely.

But as to how strong Cell could become, in general, I say he has among the most potential in the series. If his SSJ substitutes are any indication, he could likely attain a form similar to Golden Frieza as well. This guy reached an equivalent to SSJ, USSJ, and SSJ2 with little to no effort. Another thing to consider is that he can create his own sparring partners, unlike Frieza, who match him in strength, so if he trained, he'd have a strong advantage over other fighters who train as well. Alternatively, he can go from planet to planet and absorb every sentient being in existence.

[Lord Beerus]

Have not read any other post, but I highly doubt Cell could survive another self-destruction. He survived the first one because he was downgraded to his 2nd form. In theory, if he self-destructed while in his Super Perfect form, the explosion would be much, much greater, vaporizing him entirely.

But as to how strong Cell could become, in general, I say he has among the most potential in the series. If his SSJ substitutes are any indication, he could likely attain a form similar to Golden Freeza as well. This guy reached an equivalent to SSJ, USSJ, and SSJ2 with little to no effort. Another thing to consider is that he can create his own sparring partners, unlike Freeza, who match him in strength, so if he trained, he'd have a strong advantage over other fighters who train as well. Alternatively, he can go from planet to planet and absorb every sentient being in existence.

This thing is Cell's own equivalent of SSJ2 (Super Perfect Cell), paled in comparison in terms of pure strength in comparison to the true version of the transformation that Gohan achieved. Indicating that Cell only can tap into the raw power that the transformation gives. If he does somehow achieve his own version of Golden Freeza, it will only be a fraction as powerful as when Freeza uses the form.

[fadeddreams5]

Have not read any other post, but I highly doubt Cell could survive another self-destruction. He survived the first one because he was downgraded to his 2nd form. In theory, if he self-destructed while in his Super Perfect form, the explosion would be much, much greater, vaporizing him entirely.

But as to how strong Cell could become, in general, I say he has among the most potential in the series. If his SSJ substitutes are any indication, he could likely attain a form similar to Golden Freeza as well. This guy reached an equivalent to SSJ, USSJ, and SSJ2 with little to no effort. Another thing to consider is that he can create his own sparring partners, unlike Freeza, who match him in strength, so if he trained, he'd have a strong advantage over other fighters who train as well. Alternatively, he can go from planet to planet and absorb every sentient being in existence.

This thing is Cell's own equivalent of SSJ2 (Super Perfect Cell), paled in comparison in terms of pure strength in comparison to the true version of the transformation that Gohan achieved. Indicating that Cell only can tap into the raw power that the transformation gives. If he does somehow achieve his own version of Golden Freeza, it will only be a fraction as powerful as when Freeza uses the form.

His equivalent to SSJ was more powerful than a SSJ though. And he clearly was more powerful than SSJ2 Gohan w/ one arm. Gohan only managed because of everyone who contributed. It was a team effort. With both arms, it would have been more even/ slightly in Gohan's favor, but I wouldn't say Cell's power pales in comparison either.

[Lord Beerus]

Have not read any other post, but I highly doubt Cell could survive another self-destruction. He survived the first one because he was downgraded to his 2nd form. In theory, if he self-destructed while in his Super Perfect form, the explosion would be much, much greater, vaporizing him entirely.

But as to how strong Cell could become, in general, I say he has among the most potential in the series. If his SSJ substitutes are any indication, he could likely attain a form similar to Golden Freeza as well. This guy reached an equivalent to SSJ, USSJ, and SSJ2 with little to no effort. Another thing to consider is that he can create his own sparring partners, unlike Freeza, who match him in strength, so if he trained, he'd have a strong advantage over other fighters who train as well. Alternatively, he can go from planet to planet and absorb every sentient being in existence.

This thing is Cell's own equivalent of SSJ2 (Super Perfect Cell), paled in comparison in terms of pure strength in comparison to the true version of the transformation that Gohan achieved. Indicating that Cell only can tap into the raw power that the transformation gives. If he does somehow achieve his own version of Golden Freeza, it will only be a fraction as powerful as when Freeza uses the form.

His equivalent to SSJ was more powerful than a SSJ though. And he clearly was more powerful than SSJ2 Gohan w/ one arm. Gohan only managed because of everyone who contributed. It was a team effort. With both arms, it would have been more even/ slightly in Gohan's favor, but I wouldn't say Cell's power pales in comparison either.

Yes, Gohan did win because of Vegeta distracting Cell but Goku did say that even when Gohan's power significantly dropped after his arm got broken, Gohan still had more than enough power to kill Cell. And he was right, he did.

[fadeddreams5]

Yes, Gohan did win because of Vegeta distracting Cell but Goku did say that even when Gohan's power significantly dropped after his arm got broken, Gohan still had more than enough power to kill Cell. And he was right, he did.

Honestly, I think Goku was wrong. He was helping build up Gohan's self-confidence, but it was clear Cell would have won pretty easily without any interference. You have to take into consideration that, technically, Cell is hit by his own beam too since it's pretty much engulfed by Gohan's kamehameha.

[Brian4205]

I'm pretty sure Gohan's body was just prepared to handle the power better than cell's. Cell had spent day's fighting, but hadn't trained. Gohan alternatively spent a year in the ROST with Goku learning how to handle his power. It's like the difference between Goku and Vegeta on namek. Vegeta should by all logic be much more powerful than Goku after Krillin mortally wounds him, but he hadn't trained in 100x gravity, and his body couldn't adapt to the new power as well. Cell, while attaining seemingly more power than Gohan, didn't have the miraculous amount of Ki Gohan had hidden in reserve.

I know it's all speculation so it has to be read with a grain of salt, but until the boo saga Gohan in ss2 always seemed more like Gohan manifesting his true ss form. He was the only saiyan how's hair didn't stand up on end, so when he transformed to level 2 it seemed like he was finally unleashing that potential he had shown since the battle with Raditz. Something that was unique to him. I feel the original intention was that even though Cell reached a similar level of power, he didn't have that hidden power pool to draw from that Gohan had always had.

Thats my two cents at least.

[Confidence Matters]

Cell would reach Frieza's power level in ROF - with or without his own version of Golden form - in a week.

Dude has the cells of the most prominent martial arts prodigies in the universe. That by default makes him the most prominent prodigy in the universe.

[Lord Beerus]

Yes, Gohan did win because of Vegeta distracting Cell but Goku did say that even when Gohan's power significantly dropped after his arm got broken, Gohan still had more than enough power to kill Cell. And he was right, he did.

Honestly, I think Goku was wrong. He was helping build up Gohan's self-confidence, but it was clear Cell would have won pretty easily without any interference. You have to take into consideration that, technically, Cell is hit by his own beam too since it's pretty much engulfed by Gohan's kamehameha.

If Goku was wrong, Cell would have overpowered Gohan right from the beginning of the beam clash, but he didn't. The beam clash was perfectly in the balance and it just took one extra surge of power from Gohan to kill Cell.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

I agree with Beerus' idea of Cell hitting a ceiling. It would not necessarily be a Super Saiyan 3 Goku level of strength, but I think Goku's struggle with that much power does suggest he would hit a point of rapidly diminishing returns. While we do not know how much Freeza Cell has in him, we never will, so claiming he can imitate Freeza Resurrection F miracle power-up is pure speculation. Nor we do know if Cell is supposed to be "full-on everything" or a new conglomerate life form.

On the side, though, that raises the entirely different discussion of how much Freeza's genes actually did play into Cell's design; did it give him an arbitrary power boost, it make designing his ability to transform easier to implement... if possible to begin with?

Again says who? Ask anyone about Freeza before the movie (I did, and quite a few) and it took a while before they accepted what Freeza did. No one expected it cause they literally now just came out and said he could do all that. No one beforehand believed this was possible before ROF. So by that logic, practically anything isn't improbable until it's officially announced and declared an impossibility.

That means nothing, though, because its speculation for its own sake. Toriyama could say Gohan invented the cotton gin 6000 years ago: it would be true because he spaketh, but that would in no way make it any less deliberately absurd and disconnected from any logic of past events. Nor does "acceptance" meaning anything more than fans ceasing to complain about things they never controlled to begin with. Fan acceptance of Meta Cooler and Super 13 has not changed that they two of the most creatively bankrupt creations in the franchise or the derision they still receive therein. Golden Freeza was and remains in that tier of malarkey, the difference being his role as the herald of a much better movie. Then again, Bojack was a great movie... and how much is there really to say about him?

[dbzfan7]

Again says who? Ask anyone about Freeza before the movie (I did, and quite a few) and it took a while before they accepted what Freeza did. No one expected it cause they literally now just came out and said he could do all that. No one beforehand believed this was possible before ROF. So by that logic, practically anything isn't improbable until it's officially announced and declared an impossibility.

That means nothing, though, because its speculation for its own sake. Toriyama could say Gohan invented the cotton gin 6000 years ago: it would be true because he spaketh, but that would in no way make it any less deliberately absurd and disconnected from any logic of past events. Nor does "acceptance" meaning anything more than fans ceasing to complain about things they never controlled to begin with. Fan acceptance of Meta Cooler and Super 13 has not changed that they two of the most creatively bankrupt creations in the franchise or the derision they still receive therein. Golden Freeza was and remains in that tier of malarkey, the difference being his role as the herald of a much better movie. Then again, Bojack was a great movie... and how much is there really to say about him?

The point is anything ridiculous and unexpected can be the case. There is no right answer for Cell. Who's to say he doesn't spank Whis in 2 months, or who's to say he can't get any stronger at all. There is no proper answer cause literally anything can be the case. There is no consistent or logical answer when any random statement can change anything. Need I bring up Freeza making a big deal out of 1.3 million...even though he already reached that level long ago.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

The point is anything ridiculous and unexpected can be the case. There is no right answer for Cell. Who's to say he doesn't spank Whis in 2 months, or who's to say he can't get any stronger at all. There is no proper answer cause literally anything can be the case. There is no consistent or logical answer when any random statement can change anything. Need I bring up Freeza making a big deal out of 1.3 million...even though he already reached that level long ago.

Do we really need to respect this "hypothetical creative spontaneity" to the point that we forfeit any kind of speculation? I just don't think so.

[dbzfan7]

The point is anything ridiculous and unexpected can be the case. There is no right answer for Cell. Who's to say he doesn't spank Whis in 2 months, or who's to say he can't get any stronger at all. There is no proper answer cause literally anything can be the case. There is no consistent or logical answer when any random statement can change anything. Need I bring up Freeza making a big deal out of 1.3 million...even though he already reached that level long ago.

Do we really need to respect this "hypothetical creative spontaneity" to the point that we forfeit any kind of speculation? I just don't think so.

When someone with absolutely no hint of having such potential power can do it, then yes practically anything is possible. By all means speculate, but there is no point in defending a theory when it's just a theory. Cell's Kamehameha in first form was called nothing special cause apparently it was linked back to Saiyan Saga Goku, so that could lead to Cell's cells not being a big help to him since they meant little in comparison to absorbing 17 and 18. On the other hand he could have super potential cause he has so many people's cells within him. He could have Goku's talent, Vegeta's perseverance, Piccolo's discipline, Freeza's raw potential, etc.

[DanielSSJ]

Considering how strong the other Saiyans get from training, I would assume Cell's full potential would be humongous. If he trained, he could've been greater than Majin Boo by a long shot. Maybe around Ultimate Gohan's level of power. I doubt he could ever access the God power, at least, on his own.

Edit: Actually, considering Golden Freeza, Cell's potential could be beyond the God characters.

[supercat]

Well to what extent he can keep benefiting from the Zenkais is unknown. There could be a plateau of some sort at a certain point. Regardless, even if the process of powering up through a Zenkai loses its efficacy, I can still see the Saiyan cells within yielding decent amounts of improvement just from training alone. As for Frieza's potential, it is unknown if Cell can even be labeled as a prodigy with that same amount of potential. As I've mentioned in other posts, the luxury of being a prodigy could have been something that was exclusive to Frieza. It just seems the whole genuine concept of being a prodigy would be devalued if it's something that can so easily be passed down through mere scientific means.

Excluding Frieza's max potential, I could see Cell reaching levels that sit in a range anywhere between Kid Buu and Buutenks. If we decide to factor Frieza's potential in, then I could see him rivaling Beerus (as crazy as that sounds).

This is all assuming he trains properly while alive, and not while he's in hell like his GT counterpart.

[Captain Sauza]

If zenkais are supposed to be just about non-existent once SSJ is achieved, wouldn't that mean that Cell couldn't receive any more zenkais after he already obtained his Super Perfect power level?

[supercat]

If zenkais are supposed to be just about non-existent once SSJ is achieved, wouldn't that mean that Cell couldn't receive any more zenkais after he already obtained his Super Perfect power level?

That could be a possibility. However, even with the absence of Zenkais, it seems likely that Cell inherited the Saiyans' ability to increase their battle power exceptionally through rigorous training.