Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Noah]

Also I do feel like your sig is flame bait too. You make it sound like it's wrong to have Freeza come back stronger and not #17. Super 17 makes no sense because you are fusing two #17's into one and #17 was never a major villain of the franchise. Freeza on the other hand is Goku's #1 enemy and is the most iconic villain of the franchise. If any villain came back to become stronger then it would be Freeza. #17 was never a major villain in the franchise and the idea behind Super 17 was stupid to begin with. Having #17 become back to become Super 17 is like if DC made a JLA movie where Captain Boomerang solos the DC universe and kills Superman. Or if the next Godzilla movie has Kamacuras become Godzilla's next major enemy and ends up nearly killing him. #17 was a minor villain much like Zarbon was and hardly had a major impact on the series since both #17 and #18 got over shadowed when Cell arrived.

Man... Could you please stop with those comparisons? It's really annoying

besides 17 > Freeza (before RoF)
and was a plan made by two genius (Dr. Gero and Dr. Myuu) so it's totally acceptable

And fusions and absorptions were not like "addition" in terms of power, in that case Gotenks would be pretty weak if was only Goten + Trunks, heh

[Hellspawn28]

Freeza ran a huge empire across the galaxy while #17 was just a cyborg who barely did anything in the main timeline. Not to mention Freeza left a major impact in the universe for years. I never felt like that way with #16-#18 in the DBZ universe. I never get why it's so bad for Freeza to come back and have Goku fight his #1 enemy again, but stronger? Classic characters like Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, Godzilla and James Bond always fight classic enemies again. Why can't Goku? In my opinion Super 17 was just a stupid idea seeing that you are putting two #17's into one and #17 was never that great of a character to begin with.

[ShadowWolf87]

Man... Could you please stop with those comparisons? It's really annoying

besides 17 > Freeza (before RoF)
and was a plan made by two genius (Dr. Gero and Dr. Myuu) so it's totally acceptable

And fusions and absorptions were not like "addition" in terms of power, in that case Gotenks would be pretty weak if was only Goten + Trunks, heh

That's kind of a different thing altogether but not touching the Fusion assertion.

I WILL, however, point out that it makes not a lick of sense that Gero and Myuu could "build" another 17.

[Rocketman]

the idea behind Super 17 was stupid to begin with. Having #17 become back to become Super 17 is like if DC made a JLA movie where Captain Boomerang solos the DC universe and kills Superman.

So, the Future timeline.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Having #17 become back to become Super 17 is like if DC made a JLA movie where Captain Boomerang solos the DC universe and kills Superman.

Considering how awful DC's stories have been lately I honestly wouldn't put it past them.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Having #17 become back to become Super 17 is like if DC made a JLA movie where Captain Boomerang solos the DC universe and kills Superman.

Considering how awful DC's stories have been lately I honestly wouldn't put it past them.

Well Convergence was supposed to be filler for DC until they completed their move. Not suprised it was a dud. Glad I skipped those 2 months

[Polyphase Avatron]

Having #17 become back to become Super 17 is like if DC made a JLA movie where Captain Boomerang solos the DC universe and kills Superman.

Considering how awful DC's stories have been lately I honestly wouldn't put it past them.

Well Convergence was supposed to be filler for DC until they completed their move. Not suprised it was a dud. Glad I skipped those 2 months

I gave up somewhere around Flashpoint. One of the worst-handled events of all time IMO.

[Flame Dragon]

Honestly i think Freeza is pretty much considered a god as well. He even has the fire aura like SSJ God.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I gave up somewhere around Flashpoint. One of the worst-handled events of all time IMO.

That long ago? I actually got into DC after Flashpoint funnily enough. From what I can tell Flashpoint was never meant to be a big event but it seems like it was a last minute decision to make it so. This past year has been really good. New 52 finally found it's feet. And the June status quo changes seem very interesting. Anyway, looks like we are getting off topic here.

[Birusu16]

Honestly i think Freeza is pretty much considered a god as well. He even has the fire aura like SSJ God.

That doesn't mean he's a god. Goku and Vegeta (they're not gods either as they were incapable of sensing Beerus and Whis' ki) were capable of sensing his power in his golden form, which indicates he's not a god. So yea, it seems like Goku, Vegeta, and Freeza simply have power in the realm of the gods. They're not actual gods like Beerus and Whis are.

[Doctor.]

Honestly i think Freeza is pretty much considered a god as well. He even has the fire aura like SSJ God.

I think that's just Toei's "new style" in regards to auras, they prefer to make them flashy and stuff. Even Freeza's true form had a fiery-like purple aura.

[Noah]

That's kind of a different thing altogether but not touching the Fusion assertion.

I WILL, however, point out that it makes not a lick of sense that Gero and Myuu could "build" another 17.

I got your point that's why I despise GT, how the hell they could "build" another android in Hell? How they got material? I know that they're genius, but seems ridiculous... But not as ridiculous as Freeza coming back for the 6th time

[Hellspawn28]

But not as ridiculous as Freeza coming back for the 6th time

Well 6 times in other DB media, but Freeza has not return in the manga timeline since he was brought back a cyborg. Freeza's is still the most iconic villain in the series and is Goku's #1 enemy. When people think of DBZ villains, Freeza always pops up. Freeza coming back stronger makes sense because he's the most iconic villain in the franchise. Freeza to Goku is pretty much what The Joker is to Batman. #17 on the other hands is never like that and never will be which is why fans hated the idea behind Super 17. Super 17 is a horrible written character since he had no personality, and lack any type of character development and motivation. Super 17 on the same shit tier as Bio Broli, Lord Slug and Hatchiyack in my opinion.

[Noah]

But not as ridiculous as Freeza coming back for the 6th time

Well 6 times in other DB media, but Freeza has not return in the manga timeline since he was brought back a cyborg. Freeza's is still the most iconic villain in the series and is Goku's #1 enemy. When people think of DBZ villains, Freeza always pops up. Freeza coming back stronger makes sense because he's the most iconic villain in the franchise. Freeza to Goku is pretty much what The Joker is to Batman. #17 on the other hands is never like that and never will be which is why fans hated the idea behind Super 17. Super 17 is a horrible written character since he had no personality, and lack any type of character development and motivation. Super 17 on the same shit tier as Bio Broli, Lord Slug and Hatchiyack in my opinion.

I never understood people always keep shouting "Oh! Of course could be Freeza because he is Goku worst enemy!" How so?

Goku don't give a damn about Freeza since he defeated him in Namek and Trunks killed him later in Earth, he even shows disappointment after knowing that Abo and Cado were at Freeza level in Jump Special.

Cell was a more formidable enemy, not saying that I would prefer Cell to come back, but it would make more sense if they choose him to get an asspull just like they did with Freeza, because of his Saiyan genes and etc.

Anyway what I heard about this movie that Goku understimated Freeza because he though that he was the same since Namek, a laughable power compared to him who recently achieved God powers, so yeah Goku has no respect for Freeza at all, he doesn't show any hatred or grudge unlike Vegeta.


And who really cares that in the manga Freeza only returned as a Cyborg? People might count this with anime fillers since this is animated too, no matter if it was said that this movie would be a manga continuation, it is still animated

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I am pretty sure Goku does, otherwise he would not have forgiven Freeza again as apparently he does in this movie and Goku also says Freeza would make a good ally, so yeah seems Goku does give a damn about Freeza.

[Kawanakajima]

For how long will this movie be in the cinema? I'll be in Tokyo in two weeks and I'd love to catch it then. Hope I won't be too late!

[SansrivaaL]

I am pretty sure Goku does, otherwise he would not have forgiven Freeza again as apparently he does in this movie and Goku also says Freeza would make a good ally, so yeah seems Goku does give a damn about Freeza.

Goku didnt say Freeza would be a good ally, he said he would be a good rival. He didnt forgive Freeza again, he was never angry at Freeza since his appearance in FnF, he was simply begging Freeza to leave and train more cause he wants a challenge.

[saunasolmu]

I am pretty sure Goku does, otherwise he would not have forgiven Freeza again as apparently he does in this movie and Goku also says Freeza would make a good ally, so yeah seems Goku does give a damn about Freeza.

Goku didnt say Freeza would be a good ally, he said he would be a good rival. He didnt forgive Freeza again, he was never angry at Freeza since his appearance in FnF, he was simply begging Freeza to leave and train more cause he wants a challenge.

Which again goes to show that Goku really is not a superhero with high morals. Simply for the sake of a challenge he's willing to let a tyrant who threatens trillions of lives go.

[SansrivaaL]

I am pretty sure Goku does, otherwise he would not have forgiven Freeza again as apparently he does in this movie and Goku also says Freeza would make a good ally, so yeah seems Goku does give a damn about Freeza.

Goku didnt say Freeza would be a good ally, he said he would be a good rival. He didnt forgive Freeza again, he was never angry at Freeza since his appearance in FnF, he was simply begging Freeza to leave and train more cause he wants a challenge.

Which again goes to show that Goku really is not a superhero with high morals. Simply for the sake of a challenge he's willing to let a tyrant who threatens trillions of lives go.

I think he himself knows that very well which is why he wants someone else other than him to fight for the earth or rather the universe (unless I'm remembering parts only from the anime) Akira Toriyama did say Goku was never meant to be a superhero (he simply does some things that makes him look like one), he is simply a pure hearted challenger at best imho. I myself dont have a problem with that, it makes him unique from the generic MC heroes like Luffy/Naruto/Ichigo. Also more of a reason that Goku is not a superman ripoff like some says.

[Noah]

Which again goes to show that Goku really is not a superhero with high morals. Simply for the sake of a challenge he's willing to let a tyrant who threatens trillions of lives go.

TOEI Goku would say something like: "Give up your evilness, Freeza, accept your defeat, I hope never see you again" but Goku in RoF is how is he is potrayed in the manga, but yeah... I think I prefer more TOEI version, I don't know