Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Vegitofaxx]

Which again goes to show that Goku really is not a superhero with high morals. Simply for the sake of a challenge he's willing to let a tyrant who threatens trillions of lives go.

TOEI Goku would say something like: "Give up your evilness, Freeza, accept your defeat, I hope never see you again" but Goku in RoF is how is he is potrayed in the manga, but yeah... I think I prefer more TOEI version, I don't know

I think that's more "early Funimation Goku"

[Lord Beerus]

Which again goes to show that Goku really is not a superhero with high morals. Simply for the sake of a challenge he's willing to let a tyrant who threatens trillions of lives go.

TOEI Goku would say something like: "Give up your evilness, Freeza, accept your defeat, I hope never see you again" but Goku in RoF is how is he is potrayed in the manga, but yeah... I think I prefer more TOEI version, I don't know

I think that's more "early Funimation Goku"

Yeah, that's Funimation's interpretation of Goku was far too Superman-esque for my liking. I mean, the reason why Goku is an iconic characters is because he defies the stereotypes and mythology characteristics that comes with being the protagonist of a shonen character.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Can Freeza sense Goku's and Vegeta's ki now that they have godly ki?

No, because Freeza doesn't know how to sense ki to begin with. But Goku & Vegeta don't have godly ki, since it was stated in the movie that they can't sense Beerus' & Whis' ki.

[Flame Dragon]

Can Freeza sense Goku's and Vegeta's ki now that they have godly ki?

No, because Freeza doesn't know how to sense ki to begin with. But Goku & Vegeta don't have godly ki, since it was stated in the movie that they can't sense Beerus' & Whis' ki.

How? They have Godly Ki powered Super Saiyan (AKA Super Cyan) but don't have Godly Ki?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Can Freeza sense Goku's and Vegeta's ki now that they have godly ki?

No, because Freeza doesn't know how to sense ki to begin with. But Goku & Vegeta don't have godly ki, since it was stated in the movie that they can't sense Beerus' & Whis' ki.

How? They have Godly Ki powered Super Saiyan (AKA Super Cyan) but don't have Godly Ki?

Yes. Goku says that they had to bribe Whis with tasty food (so that he will take him to his place in order to train them), because Goku couldn't sense their ki and teleport there with Shunkan Ido.

[Babbu]

Having #17 become back to become Super 17 is like if DC made a JLA movie where Captain Boomerang solos the DC universe and kills Superman.

Considering how awful DC's stories have been lately I honestly wouldn't put it past them.

Well Convergence was supposed to be filler for DC until they completed their move. Not suprised it was a dud. Glad I skipped those 2 months

The new Batman is a mohawked Commissioner Gordon in a Gundam. I wish I was joking.

[SaiyanZ]

No, because Freeza doesn't know how to sense ki to begin with. But Goku & Vegeta don't have godly ki, since it was stated in the movie that they can't sense Beerus' & Whis' ki.

How? They have Godly Ki powered Super Saiyan (AKA Super Cyan) but don't have Godly Ki?

Yes. Goku says that they had to bribe Whis with tasty food (so that he will take him to his place in order to train them), because Goku couldn't sense their ki and teleport there with Shunkan Ido.

So how was he able to use Shunkan Ido in the fight with Beerus then if Goku couldn't sense him? Then again, Goku didn't know that he had become a God till he started fighting Beerus......

[Polyphase Avatron]

So how was he able to use Shunkan Ido in the fight with Beerus then if Goku couldn't sense him? Then again, Goku didn't know that he had become a God till he started fighting Beerus......

He doesn't need to sense ki to use it if it's within his line of sight, I think. Just teleporting a few meters away to dodge or counterattack isn't the same as a long-distance Shunkan Ido.

[ShadowWolf87]

So how was he able to use Shunkan Ido in the fight with Beerus then if Goku couldn't sense him? Then again, Goku didn't know that he had become a God till he started fighting Beerus......

He doesn't need to sense ki to use it if it's within his line of sight, I think. Just teleporting a few meters away to dodge or counterattack isn't the same as a long-distance Shunkan Ido.

Basically works similar to the teleportation powers of Nightcrawler from X-Men. Least that's what I always figured.

[Sshadow5001]

So how was he able to use Shunkan Ido in the fight with Beerus then if Goku couldn't sense him? Then again, Goku didn't know that he had become a God till he started fighting Beerus......

He doesn't need to sense ki to use it if it's within his line of sight, I think. Just teleporting a few meters away to dodge or counterattack isn't the same as a long-distance Shunkan Ido.

Basically works similar to the teleportation powers of Nightcrawler from X-Men. Least that's what I always figured.

That's seems to be how it works. It's not super speed, it's teleportation.

[White Oni]

Even if you put the limitation "must sense someone's ki" on IT, Goku could just sense himself...

[Black_Liger]

So I managed to Listen track 29 of the score (as the soundtrack is already available in youtube, except pieces 21 and 22).... Wow, Sumitomo knows how to get my expectations high, if he only did more of these tracks I'd be right at home, wow, track 29 is magnificent. A Choral powerful piece that shoots out hope. Resembles a classical triumphant piece of symphony PLEASE SUMITOMO, STAY LIKE THIS. Don't crap all over it again if you get to Super (which I hope not, I don't know what to expect really). The samples don't make justice to the really good tracks. I much prefer this score to BoG as a whole. Even the synth stuff is better and is actually mixed with orchestra this time.


BTW, Freeza's chant Motif in the score is SO GODDAMN INTENSE.

[batistabus]

No, because Freeza doesn't know how to sense ki to begin with. But Goku & Vegeta don't have godly ki, since it was stated in the movie that they can't sense Beerus' & Whis' ki.

How? They have Godly Ki powered Super Saiyan (AKA Super Cyan) but don't have Godly Ki?

Yes. Goku says that they had to bribe Whis with tasty food (so that he will take him to his place in order to train them), because Goku couldn't sense their ki and teleport there with Shunkan Ido.

They do have Godly ki now. Back when they bribed Whis, they didn't, or at least didn't have a good enough understanding of it to seek out Beerus' lair.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

They do have Godly ki now. Back when they bribed Whis, they didn't, or at least didn't have a good enough understanding of it to seek out Beerus' lair.

Herms' translation of Toriyama's script makes it seems as though the god ki traits fade once the red haired form is abandoned for absorbing its power. The phrasing used implies Goku still can't sense Beerus and Whis' ki, as they are talking about Whis bringing them this time in exchange for pizza.

Spoiler:

Beerus: “Hey, why are you guys here anyway?”
Goku: “O-Oh Lord Beerus, Whis is training us.”
Beerus: “I can see that for myself. But how’d you even get here?”
Goku: “We got in touch with Whis and he brought us over. I can’t sense your guys’ ki, so there was no other way.”
Beerus: “Whis brought you?...You guys lured him in with some food, didn’t you?”
Goku: “Hehehe…Maybe…”
Beerus: “Why are you so intent on getting stronger? Don’t tell me you’re aiming to take up my mantel as God of Destruction?”
Goku: “No way! I just wanna get stronger, that’s all.”
Vegeta: “…And I just don’t want this jerk to leave me behind in the dust.”
Whis: “You two really don’t get along well at all. If only you teamed up, why, you could even fight on par with Lord Beerus.”
Beerus: “Put a lid on it, Whis.”
Vegeta: “Kheh, I’d rather die than team up with him.”
Goku: “I don’t really mind being friends, but when it comes to fighting, I like to go one-on-one.”
Whis: “Goodness me.”
Beerus: “…Hmph…Anyway, what is it?”
Goku: “What?”
Beerus: “The treat that you brought.”
Whis: “Oh, this time it’s something called ‘pizza’.”

Beerus: “Hmmm…What an interesting name. Don’t tell me you ate it all.”
Whis: “I’ve left you a portion.”
Beerus: “I’ll help myself then. But this had better be delicious, or I’ll destroy you all for waking me up.”
Whis: “Alright, I’ll heat it up for you.”
Beerus: “…Hang on, you just said ‘this time’….So they’ve been here before?!”

[Polyphase Avatron]

Regarding that translation, did Beerus just threaten Whis? He said "you all"...

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I don't know if he's intended to be included, but I wouldn't be surprised if he were. Regardless of the fact that Whis is his master and stronger than him, Beerus seems to threaten Whis on a regular basis. That was even one of the scenes added into the special edition of Battle of Gods, where Whis tells him to take a bath or rumors will start that he smells, and he wonders whether he should destroy Whis. Appears to just be part of their relationship.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I guess he's lucky Whis takes it in stride then...

[Low Tone G]

Goku and Vegeta can't sense Beerus and Whis issue...


I'm really confused now. I have read the detailed summary and it's really suggested that Goku can not sense Whis/Beerus so he can not teleport to Beerus' planet to train. Something is not really clear, though... Goku doubt himself as well to teleport back to Earth as it was too far when he was asked by Bulma to use IT. So maybe he couldn't really sense anyone from Earth, save for Freeza who was really powerful at that point. Beerus has been sleeping and Whis tends to suppress himself, maybe Goku can still sense God Ki, but if Beerus Homeworld was too far he couldn't detect one signal just because of the distance. But it can make sense that he lost his God Ki sensing abilities when ran out of Saiyan God form. But I'm really surprised that if that is the case... especially when Toriyama stated that Goku doesn't need to transform into a God once again as he has absorbed that power and made it his own, but Ki sensing ability is very useful in combats. I haven't really thought that Toriyama will take that away from Goku. But it can make sense anyway.

It still stand to reason to mention that King Kai doesn't really know Whis' abilities in BoG.(In fact, he doesn't really seem to know Whis either.) King Kai can sense Beerus, the Kaioshins also can but they don't really mention Whis yet he is even stronger than Beerus. Maybe Whis always hides his energy even if he uses it in combats(he is artial arts master after all, and he may know how to use a significant proportion of his energy without giving any sign of his Ki).

[Teclo]

Any news on a UK release yet? Hopefully not just in London.

[BlackCatScott]

Any news on a UK release yet? Hopefully not just in London.

Absolutely nothing yet from Manga UK, though they have just announced that they're releasing Kai.