What are all the canonical conflicts in GT?

Bacon Skittles · Post by **Bacon Skittles** » Tue May 12, 2015 11:20 pm

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Tue May 12, 2015 11:37 pm

I'm not sure if it's more conflict or confusion, but the whole thing with "how many years passed?" and "how old are Bra and Pan supposed to be?" feels murky.

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Tue May 12, 2015 11:52 pm

Do you mean with the recent movies? The ones that I can think of are:

- Goku and Vegeta's new god forms? When they go SSj in GT, their hair is still yellow and not blue.
- Why need SSj4 if the Super Saiyan God forms are supposed to be much stronger? It just makes the whole god forms feel pointless if normal SSj forms like SSj4 are used instead.
- Where is Jaco when the Black Star Dragon Balls where set off into space? I would imagine he would have taken notice of it and help Goku out. He did take notice of Freeza's army coming to Earth in ROF.
- Why is Freeza is so weak in Hell in GT when he gotten so much stronger with training? Freeza and Cell in GT seem like that they are the same before died from Trunks and Gohan. Goku would have transform beyond his base form if Freeza and Cell are much stronger now.
- Freeza not using his golden form in GT when he could have use it anytime. It seems like in the movie he can transform using it anytime he wants. With him being dead in Other World, running out of ki and stamina is not a big issue since dead people have unlimited use of it. That's how Goku was able to become SSj3 when training after all.
- If Yi Xing Long was going to destroy the whole Universe then won't have Beerus and Whis step in knowing that they would end up being killed by Super Yi Xing Long's chain reaction. Beerus may be a natural being, but I would imagine that he would step into action if the threat becomes too big.

Lord Beerus · Post by **Lord Beerus** » Tue May 12, 2015 11:59 pm

The Pilaf Gang's age. In ROF, they're still shown to be children but in the beginning of GT they're are quite old.

Darkprince410 · Post by **Darkprince410** » Wed May 13, 2015 12:24 am

The Black Star Dragon Balls being readily present on the Lookout since the Cell Saga, yet the Dragon Radar never picks them up, nor does anyone seem to know of their existence on the Lookout until Pilaf and the others traverse their way up the tower to use them. Likewise, it's not explained how Pilaf and the others knew about them and knew they were there, but Piccolo seemed oblivious to them.

B · Post by B » Wed May 13, 2015 12:43 am

It's specifically stated that people do not keep their bodies when they die, and the few times it does happen(Goku, Vegeta) are for "special circumstances", but GT bases an entire story arc around a bunch of dead guys having bodies and their lack of supervision to build an Android that tears open a hole in Hell because urgh oof.

SSJ2FutureGohan · Post by **SSJ2FutureGohan** » Wed May 13, 2015 1:47 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:- Why is Freeza is so weak in Hell in GT when he gotten so much stronger with training? Freeza and Cell in GT seem like that they are the same before died from Trunks and Gohan. Goku would have transform beyond his base form if Freeza and Cell are much stronger now.

I don't see where you're getting that from since Cell blatantly says they've powered up. If anything they're implied to be above Rild (above Gohan-Buu), since they stay behind in Hell to fight the main threat (Goku), while Rild is lumped with the trash sent to Earth just to terrorize Earthlings.

Darkprince410 · Post by **Darkprince410** » Wed May 13, 2015 2:59 pm

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote: I don't see where you're getting that from since Cell blatantly says they've powered up. If anything they're implied to be above Rild (above Gohan-Buu), since they stay behind in Hell to fight the main threat (Goku), while Rild is lumped with the trash sent to Earth just to terrorize Earthlings.

Well, for starters Freeza doesn't utilize his Golden form, despite that he readily should, and therefore is vastly weaker than he's capable of. More importantly though there's nothing indicating which form of Buu Rild was being compared to, and given the strengths of the individuals when taking GT into account as is, Goku could have made that statement in comparison to Mr. Buu and it still fit what was shown easily enough.

One_Instance · Post by **One_Instance** » Wed May 13, 2015 5:04 pm

In Dragon Ball, Karin tells Goku that vehicles can't reach the Lookout because Kami will send them back however, I suppose, Dende might have different rules regarding that. But, I don't understand why he'd be so willing to allow Pilaf to get that high, could no one sense them?

SSJ2FutureGohan · Post by **SSJ2FutureGohan** » Wed May 13, 2015 5:14 pm

Darkprince410 wrote:
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote: I don't see where you're getting that from since Cell blatantly says they've powered up. If anything they're implied to be above Rild (above Gohan-Buu), since they stay behind in Hell to fight the main threat (Goku), while Rild is lumped with the trash sent to Earth just to terrorize Earthlings.
Well, for starters Freeza doesn't utilize his Golden form, despite that he readily should, and therefore is vastly weaker than he's capable of. More importantly though there's nothing indicating which form of Buu Rild was being compared to, and given the strengths of the individuals when taking GT into account as is, Goku could have made that statement in comparison to Mr. Buu and it still fit what was shown easily enough.

I'm not talking about the Golden form. He said Freeza didn't seem different from when Trunks killed him, despite Cell saying they powered up. This person best explains why Mr. Buu doesn't fit: http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/88/t208 ... eral-rild/

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Wed May 13, 2015 5:23 pm

Being power up does not always mean that they are stronger. It could mean that Cell and Freeza max up their ki before the fight starts.

SSJ2FutureGohan · Post by **SSJ2FutureGohan** » Wed May 13, 2015 5:26 pm

..What..?

Episode 25
Time: around 20m5s
Subject: Baby
Narrator: "W-what's this? Baby has appeared on Earth! Goten stands alone to face him. However, will Goten alone be all right against Baby, who has powered up one step higher?"

Episode 26
Time: 0m40s
Context: Recapping the events of Episode 25
Narrator: "Baby, having powered up, had come to a point where not even Goten could take him lightly."

Episode 44
Time: around 9m50s
Subject: Hell Fighter No.17
Vegeta: "You're evenly matched against me? You bastard, you've powered up beyond belief!"
Note: In the dub, Vegeta says No.17's power is so pathetic that he couldn't fight off a cold on his best day. Mu says No.17 is only running at half strength.

Episode 43
Time: around 3m25s
Context: after Goku says that his body may be small but what's inside him is awesome
Freeza: "So then, how about you show us what is so 'awesome' about you?"
*Freeza powers up*
Cell: "You'd better not think that you're the only one who has powered up."
*Cell powers up*

How is Cell's comment any different?

sintzu · Post by **sintzu** » Wed May 13, 2015 6:02 pm

Baby being able to takeover Vegeta even though in the previous arc it was made clear that he has to much pride for that to happen.

One_Instance · Post by **One_Instance** » Wed May 13, 2015 6:19 pm

sintzu wrote:Baby being able to takeover Vegeta even though in the previous arc it was made clear that he has to much pride for that to happen.

Yeah, but Vegeta wanted Babidi to take over, it was a trap, he gambled that he could still control himself and he could. Whereas, Baby forced himself upon Vegeta and was able to over power him.

sintzu · Post by **sintzu** » Wed May 13, 2015 6:36 pm

One_Instance wrote:He gambled that he could still control himself and he could.

That shows how strong his pride is which is what should've happened when Baby tried to control him.

SSJ2FutureGohan · Post by **SSJ2FutureGohan** » Wed May 13, 2015 6:47 pm

Perhaps the gap between Vegeta and Baby's power was smaller than the gap between Vegeta and Babidi's powers.

One_Instance · Post by **One_Instance** » Wed May 13, 2015 6:53 pm

sintzu wrote:
One_Instance wrote:He gambled that he could still control himself and he could.
That shows how strong his pride is which is what should've happened when Baby tried to control him.

No, that shows how strong he is when compared to Babidi's magic, it has nothing to do with pride. Baby was simply stronger than Vegeta and, as such, Baby was able to overpower him.

Soccerjam · Post by **Soccerjam** » Wed May 13, 2015 11:47 pm

You want to talk issues.

What about the rule of Earth's Dragon Balls unable to wish people back to life after a year passes! Frieza died OVER A DECADE ago! Thus, THAT MOVIE shouldn't have EVER been make!

Lord Beerus · Post by **Lord Beerus** » Wed May 13, 2015 11:55 pm

Soccerjam wrote:You want to talk issues. What about the rule of Earth's Dragon Balls unable to wish people back to life after a year passes! Freeza died OVER A DECADE ago! Thus, THAT MOVIE shouldn't have EVER been make!

The one year rule only applies to mass resurrections.

shonenhikada · Post by **shonenhikada** » Thu May 14, 2015 7:32 am

Lord Beerus wrote:
Soccerjam wrote:You want to talk issues. What about the rule of Earth's Dragon Balls unable to wish people back to life after a year passes! Freeza died OVER A DECADE ago! Thus, THAT MOVIE shouldn't have EVER been make!
The one year rule on applies to mass resurrections.

IF that was the case then tien wouldn't have said that it was impossible to revive chiaotzu when fighting nappa.

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