The "peak" of your Dragon Ball fandom
The "peak" of your Dragon Ball fandom
I've been a Dragon Ball fan ever since I was a child. I always loved the series and have never at one point in my life denied that. I've watched both the original and Z and loved them both (hell even GT but we don't speak of that). I owned at least 7 DBZ video games as well, all on my PS2. As I grew older around the age of 14 or so I started losing interest in the series because of the lack of new content, but never entirely. But then, something happened. Battle of Gods was announced and took me by surprise. I couldn't believe they were making a brand new movie! I got back into the series and became very knowledgable about it, knowing lots of little things that the average fan doesn't know (thanks to Kanzenshuu and the wonderful forum/people). I started reading the manga and saw the series in Japanese so I could say that I experienced Dragon Ball in its original form. And it was wonderful. I eventually joined the forums after the announcement of Revival of F because I couldn't take it anymore. And guess what, now we have a new series arriving in LESS THAN 2 MONTHS. I feel like I'm at my Dragon Ball peak right now, and I can't imagine being happier than I am with the series currently. Nothing else could come close to what has happened in the last 2 years or so. Now my question is when was your peak? Did the movies raise your excitement or dissappoint you? What about Super?
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Re: The "peak" of your Dragon Ball fandom
Every year I like DB more and more so as of now I haven't reached my peak and I doubt I ever will.
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Re: The "peak" of your Dragon Ball fandom
Either right now or back in the early 2000s when i was a child.
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Re: The "peak" of your Dragon Ball fandom
I'd say right now is my peak.
I was still just as big a fan of the series back in March 2000 when I was introduced to DBZ. The difference is now I can buy the merchandise. I can own the series from beginning to end on DVD and on Blu-ray and own all of the Manga - that wasn't possible when I was younger. The only thing that had been released on DVD in the UK for a long time was the god awful Big Green dub. I can buy figures, play a bigger list of games, there is new content being released frequently. Whether it be Kai, Super, the new films. It's still all very active.
One of the biggest reasons I'd say I'm at my peak though is that I feel more part of the fanbase personally, because I'm able to talk with others about Dragon Ball. Which hasn't always been the case. I've gone years where I was basically keeping my fandom to myself because no one else I talked to was a fan of it. No one understands it and in my experience a lot of people looked down on it. At least now I can talk to people about it. Plus, there's loads of content coming out and it's reaching the UK now too! (Manga UK finally releasing the series, Battle of Gods, Kai soon...)
So yeah. It's a good time to be a DBZ fan.
I was still just as big a fan of the series back in March 2000 when I was introduced to DBZ. The difference is now I can buy the merchandise. I can own the series from beginning to end on DVD and on Blu-ray and own all of the Manga - that wasn't possible when I was younger. The only thing that had been released on DVD in the UK for a long time was the god awful Big Green dub. I can buy figures, play a bigger list of games, there is new content being released frequently. Whether it be Kai, Super, the new films. It's still all very active.
One of the biggest reasons I'd say I'm at my peak though is that I feel more part of the fanbase personally, because I'm able to talk with others about Dragon Ball. Which hasn't always been the case. I've gone years where I was basically keeping my fandom to myself because no one else I talked to was a fan of it. No one understands it and in my experience a lot of people looked down on it. At least now I can talk to people about it. Plus, there's loads of content coming out and it's reaching the UK now too! (Manga UK finally releasing the series, Battle of Gods, Kai soon...)
So yeah. It's a good time to be a DBZ fan.
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Re: The "peak" of your Dragon Ball fandom
I don't think my fandom for Dragon Ball will ever peak because you never know what this franchise could produce. I mean, I thought my fandom for Dragon Ball peaked in the early 2000s but then Dragon ball Super became a thing. So you never know with this franchise.
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Re: The "peak" of your Dragon Ball fandom
Probably the early 2000's for me as well.
When DBZ had come back from its one year hiatus in the states, kids like me were hungry for new Z and just ate it up. The android and cell sagas were funimation's first entirely completed, non-filler arcs, and I was getting comfortable with their version of the show. The Legacy of Goku and Legend of the Super Saiyan games also continued my "peak", as well as the movies being released at the time. Kids in school couldnt stop talking about it. It was insane.
Sometime around the Buu saga was when my interest in the franchise started to decrease, but then with the release of kai, bog, and the rock the dragon set, my interest is close to what it was in the past. I definitely wouldnt have joined Kanzenshuu otherwise.
When DBZ had come back from its one year hiatus in the states, kids like me were hungry for new Z and just ate it up. The android and cell sagas were funimation's first entirely completed, non-filler arcs, and I was getting comfortable with their version of the show. The Legacy of Goku and Legend of the Super Saiyan games also continued my "peak", as well as the movies being released at the time. Kids in school couldnt stop talking about it. It was insane.
Sometime around the Buu saga was when my interest in the franchise started to decrease, but then with the release of kai, bog, and the rock the dragon set, my interest is close to what it was in the past. I definitely wouldnt have joined Kanzenshuu otherwise.
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Re: The "peak" of your Dragon Ball fandom
1993 through 1998 or so sounds about right for me.
1993 - 1994 was probably the "peak" years of when the Cell arc material started bringing in a ton of then-new fans, and for me it continued on through the whole Boo arc and then even following GT at the time, along with also periodically "backtracking" through original Dragon Ball via raws and fansubs as well as the early parts of Z via International Channel. The video games were also a very huge part of it all, and those didn't stop coming until '97 or so (prior to "reinventing" themselves later on with the Budokai stuff). By the middle or end of '98 or so (about a little less than a year after GT ended), I'd seen about all there was to see of the series.
From there onward it's been all kind of steadily downhill as the whole Cartoon Network/dub phenomenon and related drama surrounding that began to suck the fun out of a lot of it. It was sort of interesting, but quickly grew very tiresome watching wave after wave after endless wave of newer and newer and younger fans come into the series via the dub and contort themselves into mental and emotional pretzels trying to reconcile the two different versions and understand their own standpoint on the whole thing. The final nail in the coffin after a lot of that died down was the rise of the big 2000s Shonen franchises, which had somehow or other roped Dragon Ball in among their ranks in the minds of most, and slowly but steadily over the years had retroactively warped Dragon Ball from a piece of a genre I've always really loved, to an intrinsic part of one I viscerally detest.
In between all that there've been a few nice "low key" periods in the years since here or there, but nothing that will ever really match up to what those early years were like in terms of the palpable grip the series had on me along with the total and utter lack of any sort of really, REALLY stupid, inane fanboy conflicts over various versions and dubs and whatever else have you. Particularly due to the specific place where Wuxia media was in general during those years, Dragon Ball to me will always be first and foremost a product of the 80s and early 90s, and all later incarnations that may come of it from here on out will always be directly under the shadow of the specific pop cultural stew that was brewing across all Asian martial arts media during those years. That's the zeitgeist that directly spawned it, and its the one that got me into Wuxia in general to begin with.
Until the announcement of Super, all the "new" DB material that everyone's been amped up about hasn't really felt like much of a "return" of the series to me cause its all just been small little one offs here and there.
I don't really foresee Super having the same effect on me either way though. Age may play somewhat of a role, but it has less to do with that I think and more to do with Dragon Ball representing something very, very extraordinarily different in the current cultural mind than it used to in its heyday. Dragon Ball isn't a piece of Wuxia to most anymore, and certainly not a piece of Wuxia from the "anything goes" batshit period of excess for the genre that was the 80s and 90s. Dragon Ball is now and probably forever always a core piece of the whole "millennial shonen" run of manga/anime titles and fandom, which is something that's as big a turnoff for me as it gets and something I'm more than happy to have as little association with as possible.
In all honesty, I'm mostly expecting Super to basically be One Piece in a martial arts dogi. If it avoids that, awesome. If not, it's not really much skin off my nose either way: this series' original run lasted for well over a decade and countless hundreds of anime episodes and dozens upon dozens of manga volumes, and I was there for roughly the latter half of that. I don't feel any burning "need" to go on this ride again the way that so many here seem desperately aching to for whatever reasons.
But yeah, that early to mid 90s period is easily and without question the period where my love for and interest in this series was at its all time strongest, and it had everything to do with both the "newness" factor that DB still had in general along with it being a piece of a much, much wider tapestry of extremely diverse Wuxia media that had been taking up huge, huge amounts of space in my consciousness since the latter chunk of the 80s. And the lack of any stupid bickering among fans along with the total absence of "Neo Shonen" or whatever you wanna call it also certainly helped.
Other than occasionally adding to the tumblr linked in my sig and poking around at a video game or two, I don't really have much to do with DB anymore. I concede it as something that's been swallowed up by another entity that makes hanging around it/onto it no longer really worth the trouble. That's sad, but the consolation is that Wuxia has long always easily been a much, much, MUCH bigger, greater genre that just this one mere entry. DB was a pretty seminal one for me, but it was hardly ever my first or last (and not even most singularly beloved) ever port of call into Wuxia.
1993 - 1994 was probably the "peak" years of when the Cell arc material started bringing in a ton of then-new fans, and for me it continued on through the whole Boo arc and then even following GT at the time, along with also periodically "backtracking" through original Dragon Ball via raws and fansubs as well as the early parts of Z via International Channel. The video games were also a very huge part of it all, and those didn't stop coming until '97 or so (prior to "reinventing" themselves later on with the Budokai stuff). By the middle or end of '98 or so (about a little less than a year after GT ended), I'd seen about all there was to see of the series.
From there onward it's been all kind of steadily downhill as the whole Cartoon Network/dub phenomenon and related drama surrounding that began to suck the fun out of a lot of it. It was sort of interesting, but quickly grew very tiresome watching wave after wave after endless wave of newer and newer and younger fans come into the series via the dub and contort themselves into mental and emotional pretzels trying to reconcile the two different versions and understand their own standpoint on the whole thing. The final nail in the coffin after a lot of that died down was the rise of the big 2000s Shonen franchises, which had somehow or other roped Dragon Ball in among their ranks in the minds of most, and slowly but steadily over the years had retroactively warped Dragon Ball from a piece of a genre I've always really loved, to an intrinsic part of one I viscerally detest.
In between all that there've been a few nice "low key" periods in the years since here or there, but nothing that will ever really match up to what those early years were like in terms of the palpable grip the series had on me along with the total and utter lack of any sort of really, REALLY stupid, inane fanboy conflicts over various versions and dubs and whatever else have you. Particularly due to the specific place where Wuxia media was in general during those years, Dragon Ball to me will always be first and foremost a product of the 80s and early 90s, and all later incarnations that may come of it from here on out will always be directly under the shadow of the specific pop cultural stew that was brewing across all Asian martial arts media during those years. That's the zeitgeist that directly spawned it, and its the one that got me into Wuxia in general to begin with.
Until the announcement of Super, all the "new" DB material that everyone's been amped up about hasn't really felt like much of a "return" of the series to me cause its all just been small little one offs here and there.
I don't really foresee Super having the same effect on me either way though. Age may play somewhat of a role, but it has less to do with that I think and more to do with Dragon Ball representing something very, very extraordinarily different in the current cultural mind than it used to in its heyday. Dragon Ball isn't a piece of Wuxia to most anymore, and certainly not a piece of Wuxia from the "anything goes" batshit period of excess for the genre that was the 80s and 90s. Dragon Ball is now and probably forever always a core piece of the whole "millennial shonen" run of manga/anime titles and fandom, which is something that's as big a turnoff for me as it gets and something I'm more than happy to have as little association with as possible.
In all honesty, I'm mostly expecting Super to basically be One Piece in a martial arts dogi. If it avoids that, awesome. If not, it's not really much skin off my nose either way: this series' original run lasted for well over a decade and countless hundreds of anime episodes and dozens upon dozens of manga volumes, and I was there for roughly the latter half of that. I don't feel any burning "need" to go on this ride again the way that so many here seem desperately aching to for whatever reasons.
But yeah, that early to mid 90s period is easily and without question the period where my love for and interest in this series was at its all time strongest, and it had everything to do with both the "newness" factor that DB still had in general along with it being a piece of a much, much wider tapestry of extremely diverse Wuxia media that had been taking up huge, huge amounts of space in my consciousness since the latter chunk of the 80s. And the lack of any stupid bickering among fans along with the total absence of "Neo Shonen" or whatever you wanna call it also certainly helped.
Other than occasionally adding to the tumblr linked in my sig and poking around at a video game or two, I don't really have much to do with DB anymore. I concede it as something that's been swallowed up by another entity that makes hanging around it/onto it no longer really worth the trouble. That's sad, but the consolation is that Wuxia has long always easily been a much, much, MUCH bigger, greater genre that just this one mere entry. DB was a pretty seminal one for me, but it was hardly ever my first or last (and not even most singularly beloved) ever port of call into Wuxia.
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Zephyr wrote:And that's to say nothing of how pretty much impossible it is to capture what made the original run of the series so great. I'm in the generation of fans that started with Toonami, so I totally empathize with the feeling of having "missed the party", experiencing disappointment, and wanting to experience it myself. But I can't, that's how life is. Time is a bitch. The party is over. Kageyama, Kikuchi, and Maeda are off the sauce now; Yanami almost OD'd; Yamamoto got arrested; Toriyama's not going to light trash cans on fire and hang from the chandelier anymore. We can't get the band back together, and even if we could, everyone's either old, in poor health, or calmed way the fuck down. Best we're going to get, and are getting, is a party that's almost entirely devoid of the magic that made the original one so awesome that we even want more.
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Re: The "peak" of your Dragon Ball fandom
It seems like I'm constantly reaching new peaks, as far as my love of the series goes. The more new Dragon Ball stuff that gets announced or released I get rejuvenated for Dragon Ball. Plus, I'm learning about Dragon Ball more than ever nowadays.
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Re: The "peak" of your Dragon Ball fandom
I would actually say now, with my started collecting of the Kanzenban and me trying to find the Dragon Boxes. And with all the movies and a new freaking series! I'm excited as hell! 
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Re: The "peak" of your Dragon Ball fandom
My fandom ebbs and flows, though my feelings towards it change subtly with the years. I guess the heaviest I've ever been in the thick of it was in the run-up to Battle of Gods, when I was pulling long hours every single night translating news and content, while also tackling a huge backlog of old guidebook material that was essential for putting the new stuff into context. (Still haven't finished with that backlog, either.)
I would say that I've moved away somewhat from a laser-focus on Dragon Ball alone (though I learn more about it to this day), as I become more a fan of Toriyama's œuvre as a whole and learn more about his work in-context. (Reading lots of old Jump issues will do that to you.) My purchases are esoteric and focused on rare Japanese-language sources (magazines with Toriyama interviews, the aforementioned Jump issues, etc.) as well as a small amount of character merchandise that appeals to my taste for things that bring out the series' goofier side.
Lately I have considered trying to win auctions for the recording scripts of several theatrical movies, to see if there are any hints of cut material obliquely mentioned in reference books (like the scene with Bojack's spaceship in DBZ movie 9). If money were no object....
I would say that I've moved away somewhat from a laser-focus on Dragon Ball alone (though I learn more about it to this day), as I become more a fan of Toriyama's œuvre as a whole and learn more about his work in-context. (Reading lots of old Jump issues will do that to you.) My purchases are esoteric and focused on rare Japanese-language sources (magazines with Toriyama interviews, the aforementioned Jump issues, etc.) as well as a small amount of character merchandise that appeals to my taste for things that bring out the series' goofier side.
Lately I have considered trying to win auctions for the recording scripts of several theatrical movies, to see if there are any hints of cut material obliquely mentioned in reference books (like the scene with Bojack's spaceship in DBZ movie 9). If money were no object....
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Re: The "peak" of your Dragon Ball fandom
What does Wuxia mean?
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Probably 02~03, or if I really wanna stretch it 01~04. Basically when I was writing Dragon Ball fanfics like mad and meeting so many new friends via fanfiction.net and then into early DeviantArt days. Then time passed, there seemed no new DB plot stuff on the horizon, and we all drifted apart. Once in a while I'll write something, but mostly for myself. The drawing/doodling hasn't stopped though. My love for drawing DB-related comics is stronger than that of writing fics (in fact part of the reason I wrote was because I felt my artwork wasn't good enough at the time to express what stories I wanted to tell--which was true, my old art was horrible).
There were and are days where I would've loved to have been able to show stuff like BOG, Ossu, Fukkatsu no F, and "OMG new series!!" to the group of us in the past. I would've loved to have seen what kind of fanart and fics everyone from back in the day would've turned out if we'd gotten all that stuff back then!
There were and are days where I would've loved to have been able to show stuff like BOG, Ossu, Fukkatsu no F, and "OMG new series!!" to the group of us in the past. I would've loved to have seen what kind of fanart and fics everyone from back in the day would've turned out if we'd gotten all that stuff back then!
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Re: The "peak" of your Dragon Ball fandom
"Wuxia" is one of the oldest genres in Chinese literature. The term literally means "martial arts chivalry" or "martial arts heroes". Wuxia stories usually tall tales of honourable warriors fighting against evil, whether it be an individual villain, or a corrupt government. Wuxia stories are notable for melodrama, spectacular swordplay, and high-flying martial arts. All of which Dragon Ball have, given that Dragon Ball itself is loosely based on Journey to the West, which is arguably the greatest and most influential wuxia tale of them all.Retan wrote:What does Wuxia mean?
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Re: The "peak" of your Dragon Ball fandom
Probably around 2012 - 2013, when Battle of Gods got announced. Having gotten into the series around 2010, I knew material was very finite - new games, at best. When BoG got announced, it was like finding out some old book you love is getting a nicer reprint.
Then again, it's hard to really judge - I end up having 1 - 2 month 'blocks' of interest followed by less intense "I'll check in on it occasionally" for a while.
Then again, it's hard to really judge - I end up having 1 - 2 month 'blocks' of interest followed by less intense "I'll check in on it occasionally" for a while.
Don't be too alarmed if I just don't show up for a few months. Hooray for fleeting interests!
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Re: The "peak" of your Dragon Ball fandom
Roughly 2003-2009 or so, when I started buying the Viz manga volumes and got to really enjoy the story, and the video games were numerous and snazzy.
The new shit has kneecapped my fandom to the point where I've had to go back and reread the manga to make sure I actually do like Dragonball after all.
The new shit has kneecapped my fandom to the point where I've had to go back and reread the manga to make sure I actually do like Dragonball after all.
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Re: The "peak" of your Dragon Ball fandom
Around Budokai 1's release so...2002? I ate, breathed and slept DB for about 9 years. I studied the series like I was about to write my fucking master thesis on the shit. I bought entire consoles and hand helds exclusively for Dragon Ball games. I bought Sagas multiple times just to make absolute sure it was shit on every platform. I imported a Saturn from Japan just to play Legends. I was buying 2 volumes of the manga every few weeks and picking up the DVDs anytime I ran across them. Nobody could discuss anything without my best friend and I tying it into Dragon Ball. I was a mad man.
Honestly, I've hit a sharp decline in my love for the series. I think it's a combination of childhood power fantasies not tickling my fancy as much as they used to and the new material bloating a series that has already gone on for far too long. It doesn't help that I know the material so well that when I do sit down to watch/read it I get bored extremely fast because I vividly remember every second of every scene. Maybe when the series dies down again I can rekindle some of that spark.
Honestly, I've hit a sharp decline in my love for the series. I think it's a combination of childhood power fantasies not tickling my fancy as much as they used to and the new material bloating a series that has already gone on for far too long. It doesn't help that I know the material so well that when I do sit down to watch/read it I get bored extremely fast because I vividly remember every second of every scene. Maybe when the series dies down again I can rekindle some of that spark.
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Re: The "peak" of your Dragon Ball fandom
Kanzenshuu: The Perfect Dragon Ball Database and Community!Retan wrote:What does Wuxia mean?
http://80s90sdragonballart.tumblr.com/
Kunzait's Wuxia Thread
Kunzait's Wuxia Thread
Journey to the West, chapter 26 wrote:The strong man will meet someone stronger still:
Come to naught at last he surely will!
Zephyr wrote:And that's to say nothing of how pretty much impossible it is to capture what made the original run of the series so great. I'm in the generation of fans that started with Toonami, so I totally empathize with the feeling of having "missed the party", experiencing disappointment, and wanting to experience it myself. But I can't, that's how life is. Time is a bitch. The party is over. Kageyama, Kikuchi, and Maeda are off the sauce now; Yanami almost OD'd; Yamamoto got arrested; Toriyama's not going to light trash cans on fire and hang from the chandelier anymore. We can't get the band back together, and even if we could, everyone's either old, in poor health, or calmed way the fuck down. Best we're going to get, and are getting, is a party that's almost entirely devoid of the magic that made the original one so awesome that we even want more.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:It grinds my gears that people get "outraged" over any of this stuff. It's a fucking cartoon. If you are that determined to be angry about something, get off the internet and make a stand for something that actually matters.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
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Re: The "peak" of your Dragon Ball fandom
This isn't your sarcastic comment dumping ground. If you're not interested in contributing to the conversation, why are you even bothering to respond? Not everyone entered the series at the same point and with the same context as you.Kunzait_83 wrote:Kanzenshuu: The Perfect Dragon Ball Database and Community!
They asked a valid question and would be incredibly well-served with a great answer, from you or someone else.
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Re: The "peak" of your Dragon Ball fandom
2007-08, reading the manga for the first time, just because I had never read it before. Shonen Jump reading for about 2 years prior. I believe our September 2007 issue had a huge feature and a chapter of NKmajn Z , and if I remember correcty, prompted me to really want to know the story.
I wouldnt see the anime properly until a year and half ago, english Kai
I wouldnt see the anime properly until a year and half ago, english Kai
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Re: The "peak" of your Dragon Ball fandom
From 2000 to about 2004. I wouldn't say that my interest wavered and I was certainly still extremely into the series, but during that period I was essentially obsessed with Dragon Ball. The video games are primarily what held my interest until Battle of Gods dropped, then spiked up to this day, and has increased with Super's announcement.
I don't think my interest will ever reach obsession levels like when I was a kid, but I definitely still hold strong interest. As long as new, quality material is released, that won't change.
I don't think my interest will ever reach obsession levels like when I was a kid, but I definitely still hold strong interest. As long as new, quality material is released, that won't change.
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