Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

The gaps are still proportionate so I don't see why it matters.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Did we ever find out if that whole "Freeza's battle power rose to 1.37 million!" rumor was accurate? If not, was any number given at all?

Freeza says that after 4 months of training, he could gain a battle power of 1.37 million. That's all.

[johnboy1]

Freeza says that after 4 months of training, he could gain a battle power of 1.37 million. That's all.

What I'm asking is whether or not it's been confirmed. Have we gotten corroboration from other Japanese fans, or is it still just a rumor?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Freeza says that after 4 months of training, he could gain a battle power of 1.37 million. That's all.

What I'm asking is whether or not it's been confirmed. Have we gotten corroboration from other Japanese fans, or is it still just a rumor?

What I said it what was confirmed.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Just noting that Herm's translation of Toriyama's script says 1.30 million.

Freeza: “Is that so surprising? In my estimation, if I train hard for 4 months then…I should acquire a battle power of 1.30 million…”

[johnboy1]

Just noting that Herm's translation of Toriyama's script says 1.30 million.

Freeza: “Is that so surprising? In my estimation, if I train hard for 4 months then…I should acquire a battle power of 1.30 million…”

Wow. And is this 4th-form Freeza saying this? Because if so, then damn, I'm surprised the people in this thread didn't have an aneurysm. Now I'm genuinely wondering what exactly that Japanese battle power fansite is planning to do when it says it's going to "revise" the levels from the Buu arc onward.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

No, it's his first form right after his revival. In addition to that, it's only an estimation and nothing says that's the level he actually reaches after training. It's likely much higher.

[emperior]

If Frieza gained 1.30 milions of BP in his first form, then the multipliers are crazy when he gets to his other forms.
Or maybe they are retconning power levels, that would be way better.

[Polyphase Avatron]

If Freeza gained 1.30 milions of BP in his first form, then the multipliers are crazy when he gets to his other forms.
Or maybe they are retconning power levels, that would be way better.

Assuming the forms multiply power the same, if he was 1.3 million in base he would be 294,339,622.6 in form 4, which still doesn't sound right.

[emperior]

If Freeza gained 1.30 milions of BP in his first form, then the multipliers are crazy when he gets to his other forms.
Or maybe they are retconning power levels, that would be way better.

Assuming the forms multiply power the same, if he was 1.3 million in base he would be 294,339,622.6 in form 4, which still doesn't sound right.

He gained those 1.30 milions. I think he was well above 1 milion in his base form, correct me if I'm wrong.
He was 120 milions in his last form though if I remember it right. So he would be 120milion x 1.30milion which gets crazy high.

[johnboy1]

If Freeza gained 1.30 milions of BP in his first form, then the multipliers are crazy when he gets to his other forms.
Or maybe they are retconning power levels, that would be way better.

Assuming the forms multiply power the same, if he was 1.3 million in base he would be 294,339,622.6 in form 4, which still doesn't sound right.

Well, if we assume the golden form is a 50x increase (because let's not kid ourselves: it's clearly a direct parallel to Super Saiyan), then that would put him at around 14.7 billion. If SSGSS is the same 50x boost on top of Beyond God, then that would make BG Goku somewhat stronger than "100%" Freeza post-training, correct?

[Polyphase Avatron]

Well I was basing it on the fact that he was 530,000 in 4th form originally, so if he's 1.3 million in 1st form now and the multiplier stays the same, he would be the number I gave earlier.

If he gained 1.3 million from his initial 530,000, then his 4th form PL would be 1.83 million, and if we use the same multiplier the 4th form would be 414,339,622.6.

Although TBH I find most power levels (including the 1.3 million number given) to be nonsensical and inconsistent anyway.

[johnboy1]

Well I was basing it on the fact that he was 530,000 in 4th form originally, so if he's 1.3 million in 1st form now and the multiplier stays the same, he would be the number I gave earlier.

If he gained 1.3 million from his initial 530,000, then his 4th form PL would be 1.83 million, and if we use the same multiplier the 4th form would be 414,339,622.6.

Although TBH I find most power levels (including the 1.3 million number given) to be nonsensical and inconsistent anyway.

I think you're confused about which form had which level. Freeza's 1st form had a battle power of 530,000. Meanwhile, the full power of his 4th form was 120,000,000. Also, the line (as translated by Herms) only says that his battle power would be 1.3 million, not that he could add that amount to his battle power. The only way the new statement makes sense is if his first form now has a battle power of 1,300,000. Since he said it while in his first form, I suppose that's the implication.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

No, it's his first form right after his revival. In addition to that, it's only an estimation and nothing says that's the level he actually reaches after training. It's likely much higher.

It's definitely much higher, Piccolo says that they (SS Gohan, Piccolo, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Max Power Kame-sennin, Jaco) don't stand a chance against him.

[emperior]

No, it's his first form right after his revival. In addition to that, it's only an estimation and nothing says that's the level he actually reaches after training. It's likely much higher.

It's definitely much higher, Piccolo says that they (SS Gohan, Piccolo, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Max Power Kame-sennin, Jaco) don't stand a chance against him.

LOL

They are all shit, Gohan too as he now is slim like he needs to lift some more, eat some more, that dude is clearly depressed, he even wears stupid clothes. He can't cope with the fact he is a dad and he may have not slept well enough with baby Pan crying all the night. He is now in a deep depression state and only Super can save him.

[Hugo Boss]

No, it's his first form right after his revival. In addition to that, it's only an estimation and nothing says that's the level he actually reaches after training. It's likely much higher.

It's definitely much higher, Piccolo says that they (SS Gohan, Piccolo, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Max Power Kame-sennin, Jaco) don't stand a chance against him.

LOL

They are all shit, Gohan too as he now is slim like he needs to lift some more, eat some more, that dude is clearly depressed, he even wears stupid clothes. He can't cope with the fact he is a dad and he may have not slept well enough with baby Pan crying all the night. He is now in a deep depression state and only Super can save him.

Well, I don't blame Gohan for living a normal life. I don't like training myself. It feels so unnatural. Luck Gohan he doesn't get fat and he eats like a Saiyan. But counting lack of training, it is easy to understand why he can't keep up with the new powered-up Freeza. Ultimate Gohan probably would be able to do something.

[emperior]

Well, I don't blame Gohan for living a normal life. I don't like training myself. It feels so unnatural. Luck Gohan he doesn't get fat and he eats like a Saiyan. But counting lack of training, it is easy to understand why he can't keep up with the new powered-up Freeza. Ultimate Gohan probably would be able to do something.

I like training and it feels stupid for Gohan to stop training, also because he regretted slacking off in Buu saga, in Super he is gonna regret it again.

[Hugo Boss]

Well, I don't blame Gohan for living a normal life. I don't like training myself. It feels so unnatural. Luck Gohan he doesn't get fat and he eats like a Saiyan. But counting lack of training, it is easy to understand why he can't keep up with the new powered-up Freeza. Ultimate Gohan probably would be able to do something.

I like training and it feels stupid for Gohan to stop training, also because he regretted slacking off in Buu saga, in Super he is gonna regret it again.

It's just normal that after defeating Cell Gohan hadn't more threats to worry about, since he trained because they were told about the Saiyans and Androids. While in the Buu Saga it is a bit different, now Goku and Vegeta are the ones in charge, so Gohan and Gotenks are not needed anymore. Unless there is a threat that outclasses Beerus and Whis, I don't see a reason to force Gohan to train again. Maybe he should start to think about training after Goku and Vegeta pass away.

[Chou_Gohan]

How strong do you people place Goten, Trunks, Pan, and Piccolo in GT compared to there Z selves?

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

How strong do you people place Goten, Trunks, Pan, and Piccolo in GT compared to there Z selves?

Son Goten
Buu saga
~ base: 640,000,000
~> Super Saiyan: 32,000,000,000
post 2 week Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base: 1,000,000,000
~> Super Saiyan: 50,000,000,000
End of Z
~ base: 3,000,000,000
~> Super Saiyan: 150,000,000,000
Beginning of GT
~ base: 67,500,000,000,000
~> Super Saiyan: 168,750,000,000,000
Baby saga
~ base: 2,800,000,000,000,000
~> Super Saiyan: 7,000,000,000,000,000
Baby possessed
~ base: 3,200,000,000,000,000
~> Super Saiyan: 8,000,000,000,000,000
Super No.17 arc
~ base: 4,800,000,000,000,000
~> Super Saiyan: 12,000,000,000,000,000

Trunks
Buu saga
~ base: 680,000,000
~> Super Saiyan: 34,000,000,000
post 2 week Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base: 1,050,000,000
~> Super Saiyan: 52,500,000,000
End of Z
~ base: 3,200,000,000
~> Super Saiyan: 160,000,000,000
Beginning of GT
~ base: 75,000,000,000,000
~> Super Saiyan: 187,500,000,000,000
Planet Gelbo to Planet Luud
~ base: 100,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 250,000,000,000,000
Planet M2
~ base: 3,000,000,000,000,000
~> Super Saiyan: 7,500,000,000,000,000
Baby possessed
~ base: 7,000,000,000,000,000
~> Super Saiyan: 17,500,000,000,000,000
Super No.17 arc
~ base: 10,000,000,000,000,000
~> Super Saiyan: 25,000,000,000,000,000

Pan
End of Z
~ base: 500,000,000,000
Beginning of GT
~ base: 22,500,000,000,000
Planet Gelbo to Planet Luud
~ base: 30,000,000,000,000
Planet M2
~ base: 1,000,000,000,000,000
Baby saga
~ base: 1,200,000,000,000,000
Super No.17 arc
~ base: 6,000,000,000,000,000

Kamiccolo
Buu saga
~ full power: 20,000,000,000
End of Z
~ full power: 20,000,000,000
Baby saga
~ full power: 20,000,000,000,000,000
Super No. 17 arc
~ full power: 900,000,000,000,000,000