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by The Monkey King » Sun May 17, 2015 11:25 pm
GoldLiger wrote:So the entire "Ring Thing" was worse than I thought. If it was from behind I could have at least have agreed to it but....
I agree completely. Heck this is the guy who can
fight with his eyes closed.
But seeing Goku one inch punch Freeza makes up for everything, that moment was perfect.
And the hand to hand fight scene choreography was pretty nice, seeing DBZ characters use proper martial arts moves is something I want to see happen a whole lot more.
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by TheGmGoken » Mon May 18, 2015 12:10 am
Goku can't sense the ki of the ring even when it's close to him?
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by KaiserNeko » Mon May 18, 2015 12:26 am
Also, I can still believe that he can be caught off guard when he's not at all focused on an opponent, especially when he doesn't believe there is any threat besides what he's already primarily focused on.
It's just not a stretch to me.
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by TheGmGoken » Mon May 18, 2015 12:32 am
UpFromTheSkies wrote:Goku can't sense ki from machines or androids.
I just thought that was when it was inside. Not when it's fully launched out of the user's machine and in the opening.
It's just not a stretch to me.
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by KaiserNeko » Mon May 18, 2015 12:55 am
TheGmGoken wrote:UpFromTheSkies wrote:Goku can't sense ki from machines or androids.
I just thought that was when it was inside. Not when it's fully launched out of the user's machine and in the opening.
It's just not a stretch to me.
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by ShadowWolf87 » Mon May 18, 2015 1:11 am
TheGmGoken wrote:UpFromTheSkies wrote:Goku can't sense ki from machines or androids.
I just thought that was when it was inside. Not when it's fully launched out of the user's machine and in the opening.
No one could sense the Androids even when attacking. Why would a gun be any different, ring form or no?
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by Polyphase Avatron » Mon May 18, 2015 1:11 am
Well you know, sometimes characters lose fights or get hurt by things they really shouldn't. It's just something that happens in fiction sometimes. I mean you figure no one is absolutely perfect so they're going to slip up once and a while. It's not like it's something that would be normally expected to happen under most circumstances. Comic book fans call this kind of thing PIS (Plot-Induced Stupidity). When the plot requires someone to take a dive for drama's sake.
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by TheGmGoken » Mon May 18, 2015 1:13 am
ShadowWolf87 wrote:TheGmGoken wrote:UpFromTheSkies wrote:Goku can't sense ki from machines or androids.
I just thought that was when it was inside. Not when it's fully launched out of the user's machine and in the opening.
No one could sense the Androids even when attacking. Why would a gun be any different, ring form or no?
They couldn't? I legit thought thry couldt sense the kids inside them. But once they shot the ki out. For a temporarily moment. They could.
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by Big Momma » Mon May 18, 2015 1:15 am
^They couldn't sense the androids at all.
TheGmGoken wrote:
It's just not a stretch to me.
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Very good for him, as that's one less thing to tarnish the film for him.
Also good for me, as I feel the same way.
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by Polyphase Avatron » Mon May 18, 2015 1:15 am
I'm pretty sure the androids don't use ki but a similar type of energy which works the same for all intents and purposes, it just can't be sensed. And when 19 and 20 absorb ki it is converted to that kind of energy.
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by Vegitofaxx » Mon May 18, 2015 1:26 am
KaiserNeko wrote:Also, I can still believe that he can be caught off guard when he's not at all focused on an opponent, especially when he doesn't believe there is any threat besides what he's already primarily focused on.
It's just not a stretch to me.
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by ShadowWolf87 » Mon May 18, 2015 1:29 am
TheGmGoken wrote:ShadowWolf87 wrote:TheGmGoken wrote:
I just thought that was when it was inside. Not when it's fully launched out of the user's machine and in the opening.
No one could sense the Androids even when attacking. Why would a gun be any different, ring form or no?
They couldn't? I legit thought thry couldt sense the kids inside them. But once they shot the ki out. For a temporarily moment. They could.
Nope. Even after Yajirobe's car was shot out of the sky, they never once sensed anyone was there.
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by Polyphase Avatron » Mon May 18, 2015 1:42 am
Well to play Devil's Advocate we don't know Yajirobe's car was shot out of the sky, they could have physically attacked it, like flown up and punched it.
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by SansrivaaL » Mon May 18, 2015 5:22 am
KaiserNeko wrote:Also, I can still believe that he can be caught off guard when he's not at all focused on an opponent, especially when he doesn't believe there is any threat besides what he's already primarily focused on.
It's just not a stretch to me.
Likewise, I dont see the problem there, a bullet hit Beerus at BoG and even made his forehead dirty
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by vegitot » Mon May 18, 2015 7:05 am
Just have finished the movie and i have to say:What a garbage
Plot is rubbish which has a great deal of plot holes,no character development...
It's fun though
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by Doctor. » Mon May 18, 2015 7:28 am
vegitot wrote:no character development...
Blatant lie.
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by SSJGFrieza » Mon May 18, 2015 10:57 am
Doctor. wrote:Blatant lie.
What character development was there? Cause it seems like they went backwards They worked together to beat Buu and Vegeta made a fool of himself to keep the Earth save. Yet this time they refused to work together to beat Freeza and Vegeta only stepped in when Freeza was completely worn out.
As far as the fight goes it sucked, too much focus on Beerus and Whis eating candy. Plus the CGI was really jarring.
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by Dyno » Mon May 18, 2015 12:28 pm
Not even Jaco got a character development?
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by Doctor. » Mon May 18, 2015 12:28 pm
SSJGFrieza wrote:Doctor. wrote:Blatant lie.
What character development was there? Cause it seems like they went backwards They worked together to beat Buu and Vegeta made a fool of himself to keep the Earth save. Yet this time they refused to work together to beat Freeza and Vegeta only stepped in when Freeza was completely worn out.
As far as the fight goes it sucked, too much focus on Beerus and Whis eating candy. Plus the CGI was really jarring.
Freeza admitted he was outclassed and swallowed his pride in order to train; Piccolo showed he isn't always a strict father figure by showing he can gently take care of Pan; Goku finally puts his arrogance and selfish behavior to the side (he should have received this development in the Freeza arc and one can argue that he did and that this movie showcased character regression, but I digress). It's subtle, but it's there if you pay attention, just like all character development in Dragon Ball.
In regards to the fight, I agree that it was pretty underwhelming and average at best, CGI overall was better than BoG's but too much of it was used. The second time F was used was in that fight and most of it was spent on Beerus and Whis talking about food, lol, and their gags were pretty unnecessary. I loved Goku's punch to Freeza's chest, Vegeta's beat-down and Nakao's screams when Freeza gets out of the water, though.
