Tenshinhan's strength at the end of the series

[supercat]

Tien's power isn't the easiest to figure out. After the Saiyan Saga, we have very little to go by. The scene with his Shin Kikoho against Cell definitely does work in his favor to an extent. However, we should also keep in mind that Cell did not appear to have taken any damage. All the attack did was stall him and keep him restricted. With that being said, considering how powerful Cell was in comparison to the other fighters at this point, this is an impressive feat.

I'm more inclined to go with the fact that the attack yielded a major multiplier effect. Most other attacks would most likely require the user to be at least somewhat close to Cell's power to yield similar results. The massive damage dealing capability of the Shin Kikoho was more than likely a huge contributor here. Again, I'm not discrediting Tien in any shape or form, as I've mentioned, the feat alone is impressive.

As far as where I think Tien stands at the end of Z, I believe he is around Base Goku (when he first faced off against Final Form Frieza on Namek). Despite understanding the fact that he will never keep up with the likes of Goku (as he had once had hoped), Tien does seem like someone who is passionate about progressing his training as a fighter.

[tienfan]

Tenshinhan's power isn't the easiest to figure out. After the Saiyan Saga, we have very little to go by. The scene with his Shin Kikoho against Cell definitely does work in his favor to an extent. However, we should also keep in mind that Cell did not appear to have taken any damage. All the attack did was stall him and keep him restricted. With that being said, considering how powerful Cell was in comparison to the other fighters at this point, this is an impressive feat.

I'm more inclined to go with the fact that the attack yielded a major multiplier effect. Most other attacks would most likely require the user to be at least somewhat close to Cell's power to yield similar results. The massive damage dealing capability of the Shin Kikoho was more than likely a huge contributor here. Again, I'm not discrediting Tenshinhan in any shape or form, as I've mentioned, the feat alone is impressive.

As far as where I think Tenshinhan stands at the end of Z, I believe he is around Base Goku (when he first faced off against Final Form Freeza on Namek). Despite understanding the fact that he will never keep up with the likes of Goku (as he had once had hoped), Tenshinhan does seem like someone who is passionate about progressing his training as a fighter.

yes good post

when tien fought cell he was able to catch him by suprise true,but even when cell realized what was going he still kept being
tossed around,this resulted in him becoming very angry and frustated since he couldnt do anything against tiens atack

in my opinion tien by the end of dragon ball z is around at the power of full power frieza or maybe just a litle bit higher which by that time isnt really saying much,regardless of what akira said to me krillin is perhaps at a similar level or even weaker since i dont think he has the same passion tien does have for fighting and when he went full family men he just forgot about it completely

[Lord Beerus]

Tien is certainly weaker than Krillin, as confirmed by Toriyama. But I'd say his power level would be somewhere between Freeza's Thrid Form and Goku's BP when he took on Freeza prior to becoming a SSJ.

[supercat]

Tenshinhan is certainly weaker than Krillin, as confirmed by Toriyama. But I'd say his power level would be somewhere between Freeza's Thrid Form and Goku's BP when he took on Freeza prior to becoming a SSJ.

Agreed. As mentioned in my earlier post, I feel he is around the same level that Base Goku was at when he first fought Final Form Frieza. It just seems like a milestone that Tien would be able to reach after years of training. Of course this would be excluding Goku using his Kaioken at the time. Krillin definitely is stronger than Tien, but by how much is currently unknown. If I had to guess, maybe by 1.5 times stronger, or perhaps a little less than that.

[fadeddreams5]

At first we had the Saiyan, and then we got the Super Saiyan which turned the user's hair yellow. I wouldn't say this new transformation is any less original than that.

What you're describing is this:

Spoiler:

That's not what SSJ is. There's more to the SSJ transformation than blond hair.

The concept of making someone's hair blond and spiked up, giving them green eyes, increasing their muscle mass, and altering their emotions to represent a super form is so preposterous on paper, yet Toriyama made it into something so damn cool. It went on to influence other series, such as Sonic the Hedgehog, and became iconic to DBZ itself. I say it's pretty original.

Blueper Saiyan is just that... but with blue hair.

[tienfan]

akira can say whatever he wants but it doesnt have to make sense and be taken seriously,if you dont know he literally forgot about the plot of the series several times and half of its characters,he said this himself several times.

there is no way tien is at the level of third form frieza,if he was he could have never done what he did to cell in any sort of way
the strenght of tiens favourite atack doesnt fully cover the reason why he was able to toss around cell like that since he did the exact same atack to other characters but to no result since the gap was insane(buu and others) following this logic he would have to be at least at around Freeza's level to even place a scratch on cell but lets just leave the cell argument aside for a second.

i am not saying tien is stronger then krillin at all,but in my opinion he is at least AS strong as krillin
even while taking into consideration that krillin was completely useless in the android saga and everything else that followed ,in the end he just became a family men that doesnt really care about fighting anymore while tiens fighting spirit is obviously by that point even to a small extent still alive

[tienfan]

At first we had the Saiyan, and then we got the Super Saiyan which turned the user's hair yellow. I wouldn't say this new transformation is any less original than that.

What you're describing is this:

Spoiler:

That's not what SSJ is. There's more to the SSJ transformation than blond hair.

The concept of making someone's hair blond and spiked up, giving them green eyes, increasing their muscle mass, and altering their emotions to represent a super form is so preposterous on paper, yet Toriyama made it into something so damn cool. It went on to influence other series, such as Sonic the Hedgehog, and became iconic to DBZ itself. I say it's pretty original.

Blueper Saiyan is just that... but with blue hair.

you pretty much nailed it right there

[Makai]

I always assumed Tien was the strongest human. Despite what Toriyama says, there's no way Krillin could be stronger than him, especially since he's always training, and considering how he held against Cell.

[supercat]

I always assumed Tenshinhan was the strongest human. Despite what Toriyama says, there's no way Krillin could be stronger than him, especially since he's always training, and considering how he held against Cell.

Firstly, I'm the type of person who likes to keep these kind of debates to all in-universe theories. However, if the creator says one thing, then we as fans should respect that.

As for the topic, there are a couple of different ways we can look at this. As I mentioned in one of my earlier posts, Tenshinhan holding Cell back is more than likely due to the multiplier effect of his Shin Kikoho vs his actual power. If we try to go with the assumption that this feat was based on power, then that would most likely have to mean that Tenshinhan and Cell are close in power (which we know is not the case). I'd imagine for any fighter to hold back their opponent in the way Tenshinhan did, they would have to be at least relatively close in power, unless they had an attack with a major power multiplying component. Even with all of that being said, it seemed pretty apparent that Cell did not take any damage from the attack. While this feat is incredibly impressive considering how powerful Cell was in comparison to the rest of the fighters at this point, I feel overall it is a better indication of how powerful Shin Kikoho can be rather than Tenshinhan's actual power.

Tenshinhan probably does train as he seemed to have retained his passion for fighting and reaching new levels. With that being said, because he is not a Saiyan or even a Super Namekian, limitations and/or modest increases in strength can be expected. It's hard to determine why and how Krillin is stronger, but my guess is it has something to do with the Grand Elder unlocking his potential. Although that was a long time before the end of DBZ, I feel it somehow enhanced his ability to gain power at a quicker pace. If we recall the events of the Freeza saga, it was implied that Krillin progressively made gains in power in very short periods of time without much explanation.

[tienfan]

we should respect their opinions sure but only if it makes some basic level of sense(in this case it actually does) but still.
my point is that no matter how strong tiens technique is if he did not have a certain level of strenght and power it would have done nothing to cell.

in the same way,the destructo disk does work against stronger figthers but only to an extent(not with the difference of perfect cell and krillin)

we can easily get to conclusion that tien was at least the same power as full power frieza or at least around that power in order for such an atack to have done anything(i actually think this technique is actually a bit overrated in some ways aldo its a great technique)

in my opinion discarding yamcha krillin and tien are both very strong humans,the strongest of them all,and both have attained very respectable levels of power.
even frieza when the android saga arrived was made into a joke,any of the androids,goku,trunks,vegeta at that time had the power to kill him without any sort of effort,by the end of dragon ball z frieza was such a small threat that even goten could have tossed him around like a ragdool.

tien,krillin both had years and years to train and were around the strongest figthers of the world.

tien fought and defeated members of the ginyu force at the time of the frieza saga,was able to hold back cell and even endured an atack from buu.

would anyone be that suprised if in the upcoming dragon ball super frieza came back in some sort of enemy invasion straight from hell to earth and was defeated by tien or krillin?

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and the worst thing is that my stepmother is the one that took charge in teaching me the english language,and she can barely speak english(she is mexican and french).

i am going to try to do better,i am taking an advanced english course now to help me with my english.

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[MarCas92]

I've always liked to believe that humans (apart from Oob) never got stronger than 1% Freeza. It's too much of a leap for me. I have a hard time believing they surpassed 3rd Form Freeza.

[tienfan]

I've always liked to believe that humans (apart from Oob) never got stronger than 1% Freeza. It's too much of a leap for me. I have a hard time believing they surpassed 3rd Form Freeza.

you really think that someone with the power of 1% level frieza could have actually done absolutely anything against a character like cell?

[MarCas92]

You really think that someone with the power of 1% level Freeza could have actually done absolutely anything against a character like cell?

Piccolo was able to keep 50% Freeza at bay and he wasn't even close to his power.

He didn't even do damage. He just held him back and it almost ended up killing him.

[tienfan]

You really think that someone with the power of 1% level Freeza could have actually done absolutely anything against a character like cell?

Piccolo was able to keep 50% Freeza at bay and he wasn't even close to his power.

He didn't even do damage. He just held him back and it almost ended up killing him.

well,perhaps power levels in general dont mean as much as we think.

also that is quite a great avatar you have,the kaioken atack was my favourite technique in dragon ball z
i would really like to have seen tien and/or yamcha learning it.

[Darkprince410]

I always assumed Tenshinhan was the strongest human. Despite what Toriyama says, there's no way Krillin could be stronger than him, especially since he's always training, and considering how he held against Cell.

Kuririn was able to jump ahead a good bit thanks to the power-up he received from Saichorou on Namek, which Tenshinhan didn't have available to him. So the training Tenshinhan would have done on Kaiou's planet, let alone after, would still be trying to make up that difference.

Likewise, the Shin Ki Kou Hou isn't an accurate representation of his strength due to just the overwhelming destructive capability of the technique. Remember, according to Piccolo, this same Tenshinhan is weaker than Dr. Gero, who had up to that time only absorbed Yamcha's ki.

Piccolo: “I understand…But don’t try and fight him. He’s not an opponent you guys could handle…”

Yet he was, with the Ki Kou Hou, able to hold back Cell's second form, when the vastly stronger Piccolo couldn't even scratch the far weaker 1st form Cell with his Gekiretsu Kōdan, despite it being arguably his most powerful attack.

It's just that insanely powerful of a technique.

well,perhaps power levels in general dont mean as much as we think.

They give a base line, but in general Toriyama tried to make it so that battle powers by themselves weren't always the be all/end all of determining victories. This is what he said regarding scouters in the May 2014 issue of Saikyō Jump

My number-one goal in coming up with it was because, if an opponent’s strength could be seen as a number, it would be very easy for the readers to understand when I put it in the comic. However, I could foresee that it’d be an inconvenience for me down the line, because if you knew a concrete number, then you could tell who would win or lose, so with regards to Goku & co., I decided that [their power] would change due to “Ki” and couldn’t be adequately measured.

[Akyon]

Slightly off topic: Why do all topics regarding either Tenshinhan's or Krillin's strength always end up being about which of the two is stronger, and how one cannot possibly be stronger than the other?

Seriously; Krillin's my favourite character, and Tenshinhan isn't far behind, but all I ever see whenever the two are brought up is "NO WAY KRILLIN IS THE STRONGEST, TIEN HAS MORE FEATS". Seriously, for a Krillin fan hearing this kind of thing constantly it's putting me off Tenshinhan by proxy like many are put off Broly. Can't we all just get along?

ON TOPIC: I personally never bought that the humans never got stronger than first form Frieza. Maybe it's personal bias, but I could easily see Tenshinhan, Krillin and even Yamcha defeating 3rd form, and maybe even putting up a decent fight with final form. 100% would probably wreck them though.

Of course it's difficult with the humans due to generally being out of focus how strong they actually are. All three of them survived beatings from enemies vastly superior to them without them exploding on impact though.

I can't help but feel if they were as weak as some people seem to suggest, the Cell Jr's wouldn't have just given them a pasting, they'd of sliced them in two with each punch or kick they delivered upon them.

[tienfan]

I can't help but feel if they were as weak as some people seem to suggest, the Cell Jr's wouldn't have just given them a pasting, they'd of sliced them in two with each punch or kick they delivered upon them.

that is very true,also krillin is a good character,i really liked him on dragon ball.