Any sign of Dragonball mania in Japan??

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Re: Any sign of Dragonball mania in Japan??

Post by sintzu » Mon May 18, 2015 3:40 am

Rocketman wrote:
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It will as long as they keep releasing quality products.
So not only will it not last, it never even started.
If the new movies,toys,arcade games,Xenoverse&Kai aren't quality products then what are ?
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They haven't released anything that'll win any awards but they also haven't released anything that's so bad it's unwatchable so as of now they have a good track record with the series and hopefully it'll continue with Super&whatever new movies we get down the line.
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Re: Any sign of Dragonball mania in Japan??

Post by TheGreatness25 » Mon May 18, 2015 12:01 pm

I'm in the boat that Battle of Gods, Resurrection F, and Xenoverse weren't like the greatest things ever. I feel like Battle of Gods an Resurrection F are decent for a quick one-and-done movie, but would it be able to build a foundation for a whole series? I don't know. I guess I just wanted the damn thing to be left alone. But instead it kept getting prodded and poked and tinkered with, and now the fans have basically forced this series out of retirement. I don't see anything great happening from here. Don't get me wrong, I'd love it, but I just don't see it.

I'll compare it to wrestling. The nWo was the hottest thing in WCW and perhaps even the entire history of the business. Then they started dying down and disbanded. Then years later, they get brought back in WWE... as total trash. DX was the hottest thing in the WWF in 1997. It disbanded. Fans were all up in arms wanting, begging for DX. So the came back in 2006... It was pure garbage.

Let's compare to movies. Fans wanted another Terminator after Terminator II so badly. People loved the freaking series. We got Terminator 3. People have been saying that Star Wars is omfg amazing. We got another Star Wars series (the prequels).

Anyway, my point is that I feel like if it ended, it was because it was OVER. People don't even like the Majin Boo stuff and that was still when it was in full swing. I feel like at this point, Akira Toriyama looked around, said "I'm not really working on anything now...," looked at his bank account from the last few years of Toei releasing new Dragon Ball stuff, shrugged his shoulders, and said, "Agh, what the hell, why not?"

The magic that Dragon Ball had cannot be recreated. Well not for me and probably not for many on here. For someone watching it for the first time or someone who began watching a couple of years ago, sure. But for a guy that's watched it for over 20 years (like myself), I highly doubt it's going to find its way into my heart.


Now don't get me wrong, I hope that I'm wrong. I really, really do. I want Dragon Ball Super to be amazing and great. I just feel like... couldn't they just leave it alone?

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Re: Any sign of Dragonball mania in Japan??

Post by Anime Forever » Mon May 18, 2015 3:12 pm

I can't wait for Dragonball Super, i think that Akira and Toei are doing a great job with the exploding Dragonball franchise!!!!! :D

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Re: Any sign of Dragonball mania in Japan??

Post by Rocketman » Mon May 18, 2015 9:39 pm

sintzu wrote:If the new movies,toys,arcade games,Xenoverse&Kai aren't quality products then what are ?
If you honestly think the new movies, Heroes, or Kai are quality products, we have so little in common that no amount of words will sway the other.

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Post by chizzielamer » Mon May 18, 2015 11:47 pm

UpFromTheSkies wrote:Well let's see... A new movie was just released that's doing very well in theaters, a new anime series has been announced, two Dragon Ball console video games were released in the past year that are selling well and a third one is on the way, there are several mobile games, there's three arcade games, a Dragon Ball science exhibit is going on, and there will soon be four on-going Dragon Ball mangas (SD, Victory Mission, Super, and Discross), so I'd say yes, Dragon Ball mania is in full swing right now. :)

Sorry if I digress, but out of the 4 DB Mangas, which would you recommend picking up?

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Re: Any sign of Dragonball mania in Japan??

Post by Basaku » Tue May 19, 2015 12:13 am

Rocketman wrote:
sintzu wrote:If the new movies,toys,arcade games,Xenoverse&Kai aren't quality products then what are ?
If you honestly think the new movies, Heroes, or Kai are quality products, we have so little in common that no amount of words will sway the other.
Not that I disagree but I don't think Heroes even aspires to be quality product lol, it's just game/card-pushing product

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Re: Any sign of Dragonball mania in Japan??

Post by Metalwario64 » Tue May 19, 2015 12:18 am

Rocketman wrote:
sintzu wrote:If the new movies,toys,arcade games,Xenoverse&Kai aren't quality products then what are ?
If you honestly think the new movies, Heroes, or Kai are quality products, we have so little in common that no amount of words will sway the other.
Heroes is trash, and Kai is definitely a cheap cash in. Kai 1.0 was decent, but 2.0 is pretty terrible. I wouldn't really care for Kai if it weren't for the vastly superior dub.
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Re: Any sign of Dragonball mania in Japan??

Post by sintzu » Tue May 19, 2015 12:51 am

TheGreatness25 wrote:I just feel like... couldn't they just leave it alone?
As a fan why would you want a franchise you like to stay dead ?
Rocketman wrote:If you honestly think the new movies, Heroes, or Kai are quality products, we have so little in common that no amount of words will sway the other.
I agree,one of us wants to see the franchise grow while the other wants it dead and buried.
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Re: Any sign of Dragonball mania in Japan??

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue May 19, 2015 1:12 am

sintzu wrote:
TheGreatness25 wrote:I just feel like... couldn't they just leave it alone?
As a fan why would you want a franchise you like to stay dead ?
Rocketman wrote:If you honestly think the new movies, Heroes, or Kai are quality products, we have so little in common that no amount of words will sway the other.
I agree,one of us wants to see the franchise grow while the other wants it dead and buried.
You obviously haven't seen a franchise you loved run into the ground before. It's not pleasant.
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Re: Any sign of Dragonball mania in Japan??

Post by sintzu » Tue May 19, 2015 1:19 am

Kamiccolo9 wrote:You obviously haven't seen a franchise you loved run into the ground before. It's not pleasant.
I have.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... poster.jpg

So what's going on with DB is anything but that,sure what we're getting isn't perfect but to say it's getting run into the ground is a little harsh.
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Re: Any sign of Dragonball mania in Japan??

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue May 19, 2015 1:25 am

sintzu wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:You obviously haven't seen a franchise you loved run into the ground before. It's not pleasant.
I have.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... poster.jpg

So what's going on with DB is anything but that,sure what we're getting isn't perfect but to say it's getting run into the ground is a little harsh.
To you.

I personally like most of the new stuff, aside from Minus and EoB, but I can see where some would think that it goes against everything that they enjoy about the series.
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Re: Any sign of Dragonball mania in Japan??

Post by Akira » Tue May 19, 2015 4:19 am

I get that some of you don't like or don't want any new material. So, for you, the solution is simple, just don't watch any of it. Me personally? I felt that there should never have been a live action DB movie. I didn't go see it, didn't buy any of the merchandise, didn't watch it on DVD, or any other way. I have never seen anything further than that it was announced, and that people talk about it from time to time. I have no intention of ever seeing it, in other words, I completely ignore its existence. Yet, this is the first time I have ever mentioned this opinion of mine. Why is that? Because me trolling topics about DB Evolution, or making snide comments every time a topic comes up about it does absolutely nothing constructive whatsoever. If some fans watched it, or even actually liked it, then good for them. I have no need to rain on their parade, nor do I feel obligated to voice my disdain for the movie because someone else liked it.

As I've stated elsewhere, I've been watching DB since the mid 1990's when crappy, poorly translated fansubbed VHS tapes were the only way to view it. When it finally got dubbed, released domestically and the popularity boomed in America, I was happy. Did I suddenly become upset because my niche interest in some at the time, little known foreign cartoon became a mainstream, loved by millions property? Not at all, I was thrilled that now everyone could enjoy it too, and have a much easier time accessing it with legitimate releases.

I thought Yo, Son Goku and Friends Return and Battle of Gods were the best thing since sliced bread. More Dragonball from the creator himself, and not half baked rehashes or poorly executed concepts akin to the majority of the Toei Movies and the Dragonball GT series (although I thoroughly enjoyed those properties as well). They represented the best aspects of Dragonball, the very essence of what made it great. I hope this trend continues with the new movie and series. Toriyama is truly a creative mastermind, and I absolutely love how the new stuff goes against the trends and does the unexpected. I am fulfilled as a fan, getting exactly what I wanted, yet unfolding in ways I never expected.

Bottom line is, if you don't feel the same way, that's cool. Everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinion. I'll always love Sleeping Princess in Devil's Castle, Dead Zone and Cooler's Revenge the most of the Toei movies, like DB more than DBZ, and both of those more than GT, but that is just my personal tastes. However, when you constantly dog and comment on the new stuff, it reminds me of Star Wars fans who "Had their childhood ruined" by the prequel movies (and will no doubt hate Episode VII because of some fanficky book they read that supposedly takes place after Return of the Jedi that it contradicts). If you don't like the new stuff, I have no issue with that. Just ignore it and don't support it, much like me with DB Evolution. You just have to accept that the new stuff is here, DB is back, and there will be new fans. It is no longer a dead franchise to debate, and if the new stuff completely turns the tables on whatever your "head canon" previously reconciled, then so be it.

Some of my previous conclusions have been flipped upside down too, and that's cool. Dragonball has always been about humor, fast paced action, and being shocked that there are new levels of power not seen before. Yo, Son Goku and Friends Return was a nice humor episode, and Battle of Gods set a new bar for power beyond anything seen before. True to form, and just what one would expect from Akira Toriyama. Dragonball Mania is hitting Japan, and will be hitting us in the west before we know it. If you're excited about it, awesome, if not, that's okay too, just try not to ruin it for newcomers that will undoubtedly flock here when it happens. They will be excited about DB, and have lots of questions. Let's be a welcoming committee to a fun and enjoyable fiction, tour guides if you will, and not be negative or elitist about any of it. You guys wouldn't have appreciated it if I had acted that way when you joined the fandom. I had my moments of frustration, sure, maybe even got hot headed about things that made sense to me, but didn't to others, but I got past that.

You guys got kinda gipped in that you got Z before DB, so seeing it after the fact didn't have as much impact. It was like a prequel to Z rather than experiencing it as one full complete series in order. The new fans will maybe have some experience with Kai, and that's it. So you'll have your work cut out for you more than I did way back when. Mike and his staff will likely be working overtime (in their free time) to keep things under control around here when the new series launches. I'd like to think the long time fans here will help with that the best way they can by answering questions, and not adding to headaches with snarky comments that could incite others to anger.

If you read through my whole post here, and didn't have an "ADD TL,DR" moment, then props to you, hopefully something constructive was gained from it. I'm ready for Dragonball mania, are you?
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Re: Any sign of Dragonball mania in Japan??

Post by sintzu » Tue May 19, 2015 5:56 am

That was a great post Akira.

I'm very happy with the new products we've been getting weather it's Kai or the new movies and have no doubt that Super is going to be an epic series.

Fuukkatsu No F and Kai's threads should give you a good idea about how "fans" around here will react to Super which will be VERY negative.

Fnf has been ripped to pieces before it was even announced and it still is while Kai has "fans" stopping the video and zooming in on every frame to pick out faults such as a line not being perfect or some white spot that shows up in the background for less then a second which is something no one who wants to enjoy a series would do or even think of.

I'm not saying Kai is perfect cause it's not but when you start doing things like this it shows you don't want to enjoy the series like you claim,you just want to hate on it cause it's the cool thing to do now a days for some reason.

Am I ready for DB mania ? hell yes and thankfully millions of others are as well.
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Re: Any sign of Dragonball mania in Japan??

Post by Basaku » Tue May 19, 2015 5:02 pm

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You obviously haven't seen a franchise you loved run into the ground before. It's not pleasant.
You got 2 options: dead franchise and you never get any good new stuff OR constant milking/running to the ground that produces, at least from time to time, great new material you end up loving. It took Batman & Robin to get the amazing The Dark Knight.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue May 19, 2015 5:31 pm

Basaku wrote:
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You obviously haven't seen a franchise you loved run into the ground before. It's not pleasant.
You got 2 options: dead franchise and you never get any good new stuff OR constant milking/running to the ground that produces, at least from time to time, great new material you end up loving. It took Batman & Robin to get the amazing The Dark Knight.
Might produce good material.

I haven't enjoyed Batman, aside from the Arkham games, since the DC Animated Universe ended.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Tue May 19, 2015 5:56 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Basaku wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:
You obviously haven't seen a franchise you loved run into the ground before. It's not pleasant.
You got 2 options: dead franchise and you never get any good new stuff OR constant milking/running to the ground that produces, at least from time to time, great new material you end up loving. It took Batman & Robin to get the amazing The Dark Knight.
Might produce good material.

I haven't enjoyed Batman, aside from the Arkham games, since the DC Animated Universe ended.
You're not a fan of the Christopher Nolan Batman movies, I'm gathering.

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Re: Any sign of Dragonball mania in Japan??

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue May 19, 2015 6:03 pm

Obviously not.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Tue May 19, 2015 6:48 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:Obviously not.
That's a shame. The Nolan Batman Trilogy is really damn good.

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Re: Any sign of Dragonball mania in Japan??

Post by Basaku » Tue May 19, 2015 9:58 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote: Might produce good material.

I haven't enjoyed Batman, aside from the Arkham games, since the DC Animated Universe ended.
Obviously even just "might" is higher chance than "will not ever" if the franchise stays dead. As for Batman The Animated Series, you wouldn't get that if the franchise stayed dead after Golden Age or after live-action TV series.

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Re: Any sign of Dragonball mania in Japan??

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue May 19, 2015 10:01 pm

Basaku wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote: Might produce good material.

I haven't enjoyed Batman, aside from the Arkham games, since the DC Animated Universe ended.
Obviously even just "might" is higher chance than "will not ever" if the franchise stays dead. As for Batman The Animated Series, you wouldn't get that if the franchise stayed dead after Golden Age or after live-action TV series.
I also wouldn't have missed it, had it never existed.

Obviously this is an entirely subjective matter, which is why I'm curious as to why you're arguing about it. One can be both a "real fan" and want the story to be over or not milked in perpetuity.
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