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Re: Trans/Gay/Bi-sexual villians

Post by Basaku » Mon May 25, 2015 3:18 pm

shonenhikada wrote:What u guys think ?
I think you need few more lessons how to make your bait topics seem more genuine and yes, I saw the previous one you posted a couple of hours ago.

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Re: Trans/Gay/Bi-sexual villians

Post by Gaffer Tape » Mon May 25, 2015 3:20 pm

shonenhikada wrote:
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shonenhikada wrote: Zarbon isn't gay.
Right, he has a girlfriend and surprised Freeza with that.
Watch ocean dub Zarbon. He is badass.
What does that have to do with whether or not he is gay?
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Re: Trans/Gay/Bi-sexual villians

Post by shonenhikada » Mon May 25, 2015 3:29 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote: What does that have to do with whether or not he is gay?
People think Zarbon is gay because of funi dub.

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Re: Trans/Gay/Bi-sexual villians

Post by swimtrunks » Mon May 25, 2015 3:39 pm

Basaku wrote:
shonenhikada wrote:What u guys think ?
I think you need few more lessons how to make your bait topics seem more genuine and yes, I saw the previous one you posted a couple of hours ago.
This^ Plus, DBZ hasn't even shown the slightest bit of affection between the straight couples. I always wanted to see Goku & Chi Chi kiss or Vegeta & Bulma hug. The closest you're gonna get is Freeza. Freeza is androgynous. His gender is still debated among me and my friends.

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Re: Trans/Gay/Bi-sexual villians

Post by sintzu » Mon May 25, 2015 3:55 pm

Why would a franchise as popular and successful as DB need to pull a gimmick like this ?
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Re: Trans/Gay/Bi-sexual villians

Post by Gaffer Tape » Mon May 25, 2015 4:03 pm

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Gaffer Tape wrote: What does that have to do with whether or not he is gay?
People think Zarbon is gay because of funi dub.
Well, first off, being "badass" is no indication of someone's sexuality. Second, I don't think FUNimation's redub has anything to do with it. Most people who think Zarbon's gay seem to think he is because of his appearance.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Mon May 25, 2015 4:07 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote:
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Gaffer Tape wrote: What does that have to do with whether or not he is gay?
People think Zarbon is gay because of funi dub.
Well, first off, being "badass" is no indication of someone's sexuality. Second, I don't think FUNimation's redub has anything to do with it. Most people who think Zarbon's gay seem to think he is because of his appearance.
I dunno about that. I'm pretty sure it was the funimation voice. He looks like a pretty boy, but not something I'd say homosexual. His voice however in the funimation dub was so flamboyant it gave this impression to a lot of people. Freeza did the same thing. His voice in the funimation dub for years had me flip flop if he's a man or woman, even though I knew the answer. You have an idea of the reception between fans across the world? I only have an idea around my area, and it was usually the voices that made us confused. Though we did back then think it's weird that Freeza seemingly had lipstick, when he didn't.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Mon May 25, 2015 4:09 pm

swimtrunks wrote:Freeza is androgynous.
No, he really isn't. I could clearly tell from when I first saw Freeza that he was a male.
sintzu wrote:Why would a franchise as popular and successful as DB need to pull a gimmick like this ?
I don't think a person's sexual orientation should be seen as a "gimmick". :|

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Re: Trans/Gay/Bi-sexual villians

Post by Gaffer Tape » Mon May 25, 2015 4:11 pm

FUNimation's voices for both Zarbon and Freeza were pretty close to their Ocean counterparts (after all, all of the season 3 voices were meant to be imitations). The season 3 scripts might have exacerbated problems, but Linda Young was doing the same shtick people complained about Pauline Newstone doing two years earlier. And people were making jokes about whether or not Zarbon was gay long before Chris Sabat started voicing him.
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Re: Trans/Gay/Bi-sexual villians

Post by sintzu » Mon May 25, 2015 4:14 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:I don't think a person's sexual orientation should be seen as a "gimmick". :|
DB is about fighting so trying to change it's focus to something else would be a gimmick.
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Re: Trans/Gay/Bi-sexual villians

Post by swimtrunks » Mon May 25, 2015 4:18 pm

I agree about Zarbon's voice. My friends used to laugh at every line King Cold said because they gave him a similar flamboyant voice.

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Re: Trans/Gay/Bi-sexual villians

Post by shonenhikada » Mon May 25, 2015 4:24 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote:FUNimation's voices for both Zarbon and Freeza were pretty close to their Ocean counterparts (after all, all of the season 3 voices were meant to be imitations). The season 3 scripts might have exacerbated problems, but Linda Young was doing the same shtick people complained about Pauline Newstone doing two years earlier. And people were making jokes about whether or not Zarbon was gay long before Chris Sabat started voicing him.
No it wasn't. Zarbon in funimation sounded flamboyant. Zarbon in ocean dub sounded like an Aussie.

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Re: Trans/Gay/Bi-sexual villians

Post by clutchins » Mon May 25, 2015 4:31 pm

There should never be any kind of "diversity" quota, especially for a series like Dragon Ball. Anybody clamoring for this is trying to fix a problem that simply does not exist.

I know I don't have to qualify my opinion in any way, but being bisexual myself, a sexuality which is often swept under the rug, I am happy watching or reading Dragon Ball and do not feel the need to ask Toriyama to add any characters that reflect my own sexuality or other identifying traits. It's a martial arts story, for pete's sake.
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Re: Trans/Gay/Bi-sexual villians

Post by shonenhikada » Mon May 25, 2015 4:36 pm

clutchins wrote:There should never be any kind of "diversity" quota, especially for a series like Dragon Ball. Anybody clamoring for this is trying to fix a problem that simply does not exist.

I know I don't have to qualify my opinion in any way, but being bisexual myself, a sexuality which is often swept under the rug, I am happy watching or reading Dragon Ball and do not feel the need to ask Toriyama to add any characters that reflect my own sexuality or other identifying traits. It's a martial arts story, for pete's sake.
This doesn't mean the story should be devoid of love/romance which ties in with sexuality. Just as Vegeta going mad at Bulma getting slapped and screaming "MY BULMA!!!"....why can't this be applied to a gay character seeing his boyfriend getting hurt ? Why can't a character sexuality be mention in passing on the show rather than being a central theme of the character.

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Post by MarCas92 » Mon May 25, 2015 4:40 pm

Everyone here is talkin' about Blue and Zarbon(Who is in no way implied to be gay). You guys are forgetting about another gay character. Not only was he gay, but he was the best character in the series!
So we have 2 confirmed gay characters.

Also, Otokosuki's name in the German dub is "Homo".
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Re: Trans/Gay/Bi-sexual villians

Post by fadeddreams5 » Mon May 25, 2015 4:46 pm

MarCas92 wrote:Everyone here is talkin' about Blue and Zarbon(Who is in no way implied to be gay). You guys are forgetting about another gay character. Not only was he gay, but he was the best character in the series!
So we have 2 confirmed gay characters.

Also, Otokosuki's name in the German dub is "Homo".
Really? hahaha.
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Re: Trans/Gay/Bi-sexual villians

Post by clutchins » Mon May 25, 2015 4:47 pm

shonenhikada wrote:
clutchins wrote:There should never be any kind of "diversity" quota, especially for a series like Dragon Ball. Anybody clamoring for this is trying to fix a problem that simply does not exist.

I know I don't have to qualify my opinion in any way, but being bisexual myself, a sexuality which is often swept under the rug, I am happy watching or reading Dragon Ball and do not feel the need to ask Toriyama to add any characters that reflect my own sexuality or other identifying traits. It's a martial arts story, for pete's sake.
This doesn't mean the story should be devoid of love/romance which ties in with sexuality. Just as Vegeta going mad at Bulma getting slapped and screaming "MY BULMA!!!"....why can't this be applied to a gay character seeing his boyfriend getting hurt ? Why can't a character sexuality be mention in passing on the show rather than being a central theme of the character.
I just don't see any kind of romance that wouldn't feel shoehorned in for Dragon Ball. Vegeta's relationship with Bulma is strictly off-screen and it's not like he's ever affectionate to her when they do interact. What makes you think that they can create two completely new characters who are both gay and aren't completely shoehorned in? Even for the new series I don't see that happening. Toei is not exactly one to embrace this kind of thing anyway.
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Original Thread Topic wrote:Did Dragon Ball ever motivate you to exercise?
No, why would it? It's fiction. The strength of the characters is not possible to reach in reality.
I mean, you're pretty open about looking at cartoon porn. Why would you do that? It's fiction. The proportions of these women are not possible to reach in reality.

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Re: Trans/Gay/Bi-sexual villians

Post by Gaffer Tape » Mon May 25, 2015 4:52 pm

shonenhikada wrote:No it wasn't. Zarbon in funimation sounded flamboyant. Zarbon in ocean dub sounded like an Aussie.
Geez, I just can't win when it comes to Zarbon. The last time I got into a debate on the forums about Zarbon arguing against him being gay, I got pelted from all sides with comments that it was all about his appearance. I mention his appearance as a factor here, and I get pelted from all sides about it being his voice. Fine. I give up. Besides, it has nothing to do with this topic, especially given my main issue in my post was that you were seeming to imply that "badass" and "gay" were somehow mutually exclusive.
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Re: Trans/Gay/Bi-sexual villians

Post by ErikB » Mon May 25, 2015 4:53 pm

I have no terribly strong feelings about this one way or the other. It'd be neat to see. I think I'd actually prefer it to be a hero over a villain though.

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Post by MarCas92 » Mon May 25, 2015 4:54 pm

What are Japan's views on sexuality? I know the rise of asexuals is higher than ever, but what about others (trans/bi/gay)? I think that's an important question to ask when thinking about this.
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