shinmaru wrote:I'm hoping to see DragonBall Super do very good and break records because this will probably be the last DragonBall series we ever see created by Toriyama himself.
Unlike Fast and Furious, this will indeed be the last ride (with Toriyama, at least).
Gonna enjoy it to the fullest!
Miracles don't always happen. Sometimes takes 18 years.
And one particularly bad live action movie.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
It would be a pretty cool twist if the main cast were really old and pan and all them had grown up and a new threat emerged. They maybe could use the Dragon Balls to wish Goku and others to get their youth back but before that we'd get a new cast of characters and get to see Goku as an old man which I've sort of always wanted to see since Toriyamas one off drawing lol. I know this won't happen though.
If we end up to see more Gods of Destruction, my hopes for them are to be like Beerus and Whis so far, in the way:
- Unique and interesting characters.
- No tranformations. They should be just that strong in their base.
- Interesting techniques for each one. No elemental stuff like water, fire, wind etc.. like Evil Dragons. Things more like Janemba and Whis time travel techniques.
- No regenaration and absorption abilities.
A world without Dragon Ball is just boring.
Favourite old DB Animators: Masaki Sato and Tadayoshi Yamamuro
Favourite new DB Animators: Yuya Takahashi and Chikashi Kubota
I think the chances are very small... If Toriyama will remember his own comments about the SSJ2 & 3, then he will refuse to upgrade Goku and Vegeta into higher SSJ forms combined with God Ki. And I would really consider a Blue SSJ3 form a fail.
English is not my first language!
I'm still waiting for Dragon Ball in Super...
Why people still care about SSJ3? It was proven to be a fail transformation. You get stronger just for a little bit of time, after that you're out by exhaustion.
English is not my main language. Sorry if I make a mistake.
GeeRod wrote:Why people still care about SSJ3? It was proven to be a fail transformation. You get stronger just for a little bit of time, after that you're out by exhaustion.
Yeah, if there's any transformation that should get any focus in Dragon Ball Super, it's SSJGSSJ, since it's the strongest Saiyan transformation yet and the most practical.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
GeeRod wrote:Why people still care about SSJ3? It was proven to be a fail transformation. You get stronger just for a little bit of time, after that you're out by exhaustion.
That's just it, it had drawbacks. That why some people far prefer Kaio-Ken over Super Saiyan. People like SSJ3 cause it's so powerful, and has a drawback that makes things tougher for our hero.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
* The human characters like Tien and Krillin becoming more useful
* Characters like Android 18 and Videl actively participating in some battles
* Having some episodes that take place in the major cities
* Some light-hearted "down-time" episodes
* Make Goku acutally be with his family and have the crew communicate with each other and keep in contact
* Do what BoG did in terms of the tone and depiction of the series; That is, be "honest" with how things are. Show how characters, show the romancing, etc.
* Have some arcs be emotionally charged like the Frieza saga, and some be more light-hearted fun like the Buu Saga or RR Army Saga.
*Have a complete tournament that doesn't end abruptly.
I really want Lunch back Please bring her back Toriyama. For tien's sake. Could you imagine her interactions with Vegeta! Would be priceless seeing her machine gun Vegeta.
GeeRod wrote:Why people still care about SSJ3? It was proven to be a fail transformation. You get stronger just for a little bit of time, after that you're out by exhaustion.
Yeah, if there's any transformation that should get any focus in Dragon Ball Super, it's SSJGSSJ, since it's the strongest Saiyan transformation yet and the most practical.
My one and only problem with SSJGSSJ was that there is literally no difference between it and regular saiyan in black and white, which is what it will look like in Toyables manga, other then there clothes, and them announcing it as such, but I actually like it in color and anime form. IF they had just done something with the eyes to differentiate it I would have loved it.
GeeRod wrote:Why people still care about SSJ3? It was proven to be a fail transformation. You get stronger just for a little bit of time, after that you're out by exhaustion.
That's just it, it had drawbacks. That why some people far prefer Kaio-Ken over Super Saiyan. People like SSJ3 cause it's so powerful, and has a drawback that makes things tougher for our hero.
I don't think most of the people that likes SSJ3 care abouth Goku having drawbacks...In my opinion they just like because it looks ''badass'' and that's it.
English is not my main language. Sorry if I make a mistake.
GeeRod wrote:Why people still care about SSJ3? It was proven to be a fail transformation. You get stronger just for a little bit of time, after that you're out by exhaustion.
That's just it, it had drawbacks. That why some people far prefer Kaio-Ken over Super Saiyan. People like SSJ3 cause it's so powerful, and has a drawback that makes things tougher for our hero.
I don't think most of the people that likes SSJ3 care abouth Goku having drawbacks...In my opinion they just like because it looks ''badass'' and that's it.
I can't speak for everyone, but having a weakness made SSJ3 more interesting. It's the same thing that made Kaio-Ken interesting. Having a perfect power up isn't as interesting as a flawed one.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
I might be setting myself up for disappointment here, but I hope they do something just a little bit more ambitious with the story. I mean, I'm all for action, comedy and general fun, but having a good story doesn't necessarily mean you have to sacrifice all of these. It'd be really cool if they put out something a bit unpredictable, that has all of us speculating week after week...like the old days. I must say, I'm curious about what sort of writing we'll be seeing. Will it be like the recent movies, where a whole story arc will be planned out and then they'll just go and divide that into episodes? Or is there a master plan for multiple arcs, where different plot points will be tied in across each of them. At least one thing's for sure; it ain't being thought up as they go, last minute, every week before an episode is due to air...at least I hope not.
StrawHatPatriot wrote:* The human characters like Tenshinhan and Krillin becoming more useful
* Characters like Android 18 and Videl actively participating in some battles
* Having some episodes that take place in the major cities
* Some light-hearted "down-time" episodes
* Make Goku acutally be with his family and have the crew communicate with each other and keep in contact
* Do what BoG did in terms of the tone and depiction of the series; That is, be "honest" with how things are. Show how characters, show the romancing, etc.
* Have some arcs be emotionally charged like the Freeza saga, and some be more light-hearted fun like the Buu Saga or RR Army Saga.
*Have a complete tournament that doesn't end abruptly.
I feel like you could accomplish all of this by making the show episodic with an overarching plot, similar to Justice League Unlimited, rather than whatever the word is for Dragon Ball's kind of plot progression (it escapes me at this moment.)
dbzfan7 wrote:I can't speak for everyone, but having a weakness made SSJ3 more interesting. It's the same thing that made Kaio-Ken interesting. Having a perfect power up isn't as interesting as a flawed one.
I agree, power-ups in Dragon Ball are usually interesting because they have drawbacks. Kaioken is self-explanatory, SSJ decreased Ki rapidly and changed your personality until they mastered it, SSJ2 changed your personality as well, and SSJ3 gave you power over a huge decrease in stamina. You could say SSJG had a drawback with its time limit, but that was easily overcome, so it didn't really make an interesting transformation. Likewise, SSGSS doesn't have a drawback either, but I guess it's excusable since it's more of a fusion of two power-ups rather than a completely new one.
I've basically narrowed things down a bit to four main points:
*They should add some more "humanity" to the show in brief moments - that is, try to do what BoG did where you saw Videl being pregnant was acutally explicitly said, Goku seemed to be actually chilling with his friends and family, etc. It doesn't have to happen all the time, etc. It should just be some brief moments, because DBZ became almost too "sterile" at times.
*Have more creative wishes with the Dragon Balls. This can include power-up wishes as well.
*Have some downtime episodes, or episodes that take place in the city and are light-hearted comedy episodes like Dragon Ball. You can still have emotionally-charged arcs like the Frieza Saga and Android Saga. Find a good balance between the two.
*Make the non-saiyan characters like Piccolo, Krillin, 18, Videl, and Tien become stronger and more useful somehow.
Please bring her back Toriyama. For tien's sake. Could you imagine her interactions with Vegeta! Would be priceless seeing her machine gun Vegeta.
I must say, I'm curious about what sort of writing we'll be seeing. Will it be like the recent movies, where a whole story arc will be planned out and then they'll just go and divide that into episodes? Or is there a master plan for multiple arcs, where different plot points will be tied in across each of them. At least one thing's for sure; it ain't being thought up as they go, last minute, every week before an episode is due to air...at least I hope not. 
