New "Remastered Box Set" Information

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:35 pm

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:*friggin' hilarious image snipped*

I take back everything I said, this sums it all up so much better than I ever could

-Corey

fps_anth · Post by **fps_anth** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:52 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
Tanooki Kuribo wrote:*friggin' hilarious image snipped*
I take back everything I said, this sums it all up so much better than I ever could

-Corey

QFT. Yet I still ordered it.

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:13 pm

Alucard wrote:
Gokuden553 wrote:Despite them saying that they "contain original Japanese Dragon Box footage" I suppose they don't, this sucks since I have all 291 episodes now in Japanese RAW format just to find out that their not official enough
You say you have all 291 episodes in RAW Japanese Dragon Box quality, that you bought from ebay. Would you please post a screencap from episode 68? I just have a strange feeling .

As promiced for proof, here's a screen caps from episode 68 from my Dragon Ball Z TV Series Complete 20 DVD set.

Now what strange feeling did you actually have? I've already mentioned that I'm not allowed to download anything off the internet since my parents don't allow me to do so... so whatever you thought has been prooved wrong.

I don't want to flood this topic full of Dragon Ball Z TV Series Complete 20 DVD set screen shots just to prove my point to you, so if you want to see and compare mine to others... make a new topic about it or something.

Since I only want to post comparison screen shots when their needed, just to compare how much of the image will be cut off... the crystal clear quality of my episodes has nothing to do with it now so I wont mention it in my future comparisons.

Now that it's sorted out, lets get back on topic now... since this topic's to discuss about Funi's widescreen releaces and not how clear my episodes are compared to them.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:39 pm

Uhhh...Gokuden, why are you still posting pictures from your bootleg in the first place? I understand that's all you have of the series, but it's not a legit or legal release. And what was really the point in these pics, you're not even comparing them to anything. I mean heck, you could've just PMed them to Alucard to prove whatever point you wanted to.

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:45 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:Uhhh...Gokuden, why are you still posting pictures from your bootleg in the first place? I understand that's all you have of the series, but it's not a legit or legal release. And what was really the point in these pics, you're not even comparing them to anything. I mean heck, you could've just PMed them to Alucard to prove whatever point you wanted to.

Alucard wanted me to post a screen cap of episode 68, so I decided to proove that I would.

Eitherway now that I've posted that, we can get back on topic now

chibi_goten · Post by **chibi_goten** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:11 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:Uhhh...Gokuden, why are you still posting pictures from your bootleg in the first place?

Thank you so much for saying that,

RULE # 6: NO BOOTLEGGING
We do not condone bootlegging. We don't want to hear about your bootleg DVDs.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:14 pm

Here are my two cents, not that anybody should care but:

Gokuden553: Could you please stop posting images from episodes that you downloaded? Also, please stop saying that they're from the bootleg set of the Dragon Box. I'm pretty sure that I know where you downloaded them. I'm also pretty sure that they're in Spanish. The resolution and the saturation of the images gave them away immediately. I should know, I actually downloaded some of the episodes.

Here's an image from episode 138:

Upon saying that, please stop comparing images, like many others have asked of you. I'm pretty sure that if we need comparisons DBW would be more than happy to provide them for us, like he has been doing so. So please, just stop.

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:18 pm

How many times do I have to tell you that I never downloaded them, also I don't even go on any Spanish sites... I already said that I wont keep posting images for no reason unless they are needed.

And it's only to compare how much of the image is cut off, I'm not comparing quality between them anymore... so please drop it.

Mayuri Furiza Kurotsuchi · Post by **Mayuri Furiza Kurotsuchi** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:19 pm

SatoSky wrote:Here are my two cents, not that anybody should care but:

Gokuden553: Could you please stop posting images from episodes that you downloaded? Also, please stop saying that they're from the bootleg set of the Dragon Box. I'm pretty sure that I know where you downloaded them. I'm also pretty sure that they're in Spanish. The resolution and the saturation of the images gave them away immediately. I should know, I actually downloaded some of the episodes.

Here's an image from episode 138:

Upon saying that, please stop comparing images, like many others have asked of you. I'm pretty sure that if we need comparisons DBW would be more than happy to provide them for us, like he has been doing so. So please, just stop.

Trust me, they are bootlegs of the Dragonbox. I know what he's talking about. They're by a company called AC/MI, and he got ripped off REAL bad. They are very low quality, even lower quality than other cheaper bootlegs.

Anyways, you shouldn't post those Gokuden. You could get banned, because bootlegging (in public) is a no-no.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:34 pm

Mayuri Furiza Kurotsuchi wrote:Trust me, they are bootlegs of the Dragonbox. I know what he's talking about. They're by a company called AC/MI, and he got ripped off REAL bad. They are very low quality, even lower quality than other cheaper bootlegs.

I honestly still don't believe him that he was ripped off. He's yet to provide an image with full DVD resolution, wether NTSC or PAL. All of that though, is beyond the point, and I just plain give up.

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:38 pm

Mayuri Furiza Kurotsuchi wrote:
SatoSky wrote:Here are my two cents, not that anybody should care but:

Gokuden553: Could you please stop posting images from episodes that you downloaded? Also, please stop saying that they're from the bootleg set of the Dragon Box. I'm pretty sure that I know where you downloaded them. I'm also pretty sure that they're in Spanish. The resolution and the saturation of the images gave them away immediately. I should know, I actually downloaded some of the episodes.

Here's an image from episode 138:

Upon saying that, please stop comparing images, like many others have asked of you. I'm pretty sure that if we need comparisons DBW would be more than happy to provide them for us, like he has been doing so. So please, just stop.
Trust me, they are bootlegs of the Dragonbox. I know what he's talking about. They're by a company called AC/MI, and he got ripped off REAL bad. They are very low quality, even lower quality than other cheaper bootlegs.

Anyways, you shouldn't post those Gokuden. You could get banned, because bootlegging (in public) is a no-no.

I already said that I'm not posting any more images, unless their to compare what's been cut of the funi-remaster images only (Nothing to do with the bad quality episodes I have)... so let's get back on topic now.

Peace out

fps_anth · Post by **fps_anth** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:23 am

I think someone posted a link to where we can buy the set for extremely cheap. I can't find the damn link, can someone post it? (It's not rightstuf, I know that much.)

EDIT: Nevermind, I found it: http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.a ... ovie&BAB=E *orders*

So, how bout them Dragon Balls?

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:24 am

Probably here:

http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.a ... ovie&BAB=M

-Corey

yamiiguy · Post by **yamiiguy** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:25 am

This will be the first DBZ dvd I have bought since I live in the UK, I will probably order from DVDPacific because they seem the cheapest when combined with postage to the UK

Amiable-Akuma · Post by **Amiable-Akuma** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:25 pm

MajinVejitaXV, (in response to your response to my rant) - Just wanted to let you know that I respect all your opinions and defenses of Toei's release practices. Want you to know too that, I've always really loved/appreciated the kinds of posts you continuously make on this board so, in a way, the former would be sort of a given. Your comments have always been very interesting/helpful to me. So, in any case, (and in this case) - I hear what you are saying.

Like DBW suggested too in his following post, - it's hard to fault Toei since they are delivering/have delivered sort of "the dream" for the series on the DVD format. Meaning, probably the best video, audio, and presentation quality the entire huge series has ever seen, will ever see for a long time, if ever again. That is a beautiful thing, and I would be an ***hole to take that for granted. Truth is, when I actually sit down to watch the show on the Toei discs - I couldn't be more giddy, excited, and appreciative - since I know and can readily see all this on the screen before me. And, yes, moreover, they've provided the above in a way that they and most other humble people would consider to be "in a timely fashion".

However, I think it's also readily apparent that for the "average" US fan of the show - even if you look at every release out there including Toei's - there still exists no "easy"/"normal" way to own this product. And this is true, even though DB is one of the most popular shows ever and anime, in general, on DVD has seen unprecedented success. So that's where my frustration comes from. DB fans who want to own the product in a form that is up to the standards of 95% of everything else out there are still SOOL and have become desperate as hell. I don't think good, loyal, well-paying fans of the most popular anime out there should have to feel that way. I mean, it's crazy.

And your right, shifting blame to Toei isn't the answer - but that just shows how "desperate" and crazy the situation has gotten. We all now intrinisically feel that Funimation is out to screw us and the series out of any purity it ever had. I just know now: Funi denying me a decent release is a given. So, now as an experienced importer where do I turn? Well, to Japan, but even though I've been waiting for MANY, LONG years to own the series myself on a decent DVD - apparently the native country of the show is only just now getting it in a way that is somewhat consumer-friendly. One has to sigh and ask what the hell is going on. A voracious importer and movie buff, I've been able to find some of the rarest, wierdest anime, Asian action films, and other nutty crap on good DVD releases three times over now at this point. Having done so, so often - makes this situation almost impossible to comprehend.

But, at the end of the day, it's Funi. The sad truth is that if Funimation could just deliver something sane once - I wouldn't have to ask the whole world of Toei.

We've given Funi our money, time, and demands ten billion times now and they still aren't getting it. The only other "official" alternative is Toei and their product is far less than ideal for the average, US fan who would expect he could easily buy the whole series in a good form by now. So, one just has nothing left but to throw up their hands, and vent frustation like I did out of desperation. I mean, that's where we are now and its sad.

Maybe other shows have spoiled us, maybe the customer isn't always right, or maybe we can come up with some other excuse to defend a given distributor, but whatever one does - it all still just feels very wrong to me and many others at the end of the day.

I mean, the current situation for the US fan is the following:
-live with a domestic release that features a zoomed-in picture, few special features, poor JPN audio, is sometimes edited, has poorly authored menus/box art, lacks certain openings/endings/eye-catchers/previews/etc, has other poor quality checking at times, and most importantly has PQ that will be considered to look abysmal on modern TVs compared to what it can look like.
-try to hunt down a foreign limited release that is sold at exorbitant costs of thousands of dollars, is difficult to find, will mean negotiating a language barrier, risking getting ripped off, waiting forever to receive it in the mail, etc and has no subtitles
-wait for Funi to once again release the series, which will be another long painful wait until its all out, this time w/PQ significantly improved but of course, it's in a widescreen format that essentially destroys the entire intended framing, cuts off a huge percentage of what the original artist wanted you to see, what's cool to see, and perhaps negates even the purpose of wanting to own/see the show at all.
-buy the JPN singles, which cost about $50 or more each for only 6 episodes, have no special features, require importing and enduring long ship times, are still being released meaning it will take even extra long painful waiting for the whole series to come out (if it truly does - no 100% guarantees, lets face it - and how will they handle the TV specials? - will they even release those on singles? - we don't really know jack about how dedicated Toei is to giving us EVERYTHING we want besides the most popular, which is - for certain - only the DBZ episodes themselves), and still have no subtitles at all.

Now I know that if we're being uber-rational, you can defend certain aspects of the above but that would be pointless because you get my point. There's no easy way for the US fan to own or watch this show in a good form that's typical of so many other series'.

That's it, and it's frustrating. I think you guys agree, already know/appreciated this, and that I agree with the points you've made/will make. Nothing to argue about - just us DB anime fans here feeling trapped. Thankfully, we have to message board to commiserate over things together while we all slowly continue our waiting and piece-meal collecting of the entire series in one form or another. We should stay optimistic and look at the positives, yes, but then again maybe we should all start turning to prayer a little more too... lol

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:31 pm

fps_anth wrote:So, how bout them Dragon Balls?

These Dragon Balls?

Blitzen · Post by **Blitzen** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:51 pm

I just had a few thoughts. it's very related to this release and I'm sure it has been said on one forum or another. It's a very breif thing.

I absolutely hate it when people say, when you're upset with a release, that you should "vote with your wallet". What, so I can vote negative Dollars on the premise that I will never own it for a set ammount of years? Voting requires an understanding (generally speaking) of two or more sides and an actual ability to have comprehensive, cohesive access to information regarding the situation on every side of the issue (down to web polls about which butt looks grosser, or presidential elections (shut up)). This is a retail product. If not for FUNimation making their presence known on the internet, this product would have simply gone on shelves, and if it didnt sell well by people "voting with their wallet", then all FUNimation, like any sensible company investing a lot of time and money, would come to the conclusion that "no one wants boxed sets of DBZ", not that "people didn't buy it because it's not OAR".

So even though I've given up I don't advise others should. Subsequently if this widescreen is something you prefer, you know, that-

Seriously, shut up and get a fucking clue. People like you absolutely fucking disgust me. You have something that works perfectly fine, maybe adjusted for the sake of being more palatable to certian people, and then something completely unjustifiably stupid comes along and you just HAVE to be different, don't you? You just HAVE to put that iron wrench into the works because you just HAVE to have something that HAS to be different so you can fucking jack off your stupid, tasteless "pride" over everyone else who actually wants something as it originally was.

Movies widescreen is a different issue because it was made to be flexible. What FUNimation is doing actually works me up to an extent (chill, it's internet) because its just really, really stupid and they fucking deliberatly left the announcement too late so that it couldn't change. If FUNimation EVER have a sook about how they're getting flak for doing the changes "and wah we can't change them stop complaining", then they deserve every single fucking bit of that abuse AND MORE, because it's THEIR FAULT for not letting the potential consumer know beforehand so that the mistakes leading to said abuse could even possibly get rectified.

ALl in all I'm still buying it though so whatever.

Eclipse · Post by **Eclipse** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:34 pm

I mean, the current situation for the US fan is the following:
-live with a domestic release that features a zoomed-in picture, few special features, poor JPN audio, is sometimes edited, has poorly authored menus/box art, lacks certain openings/endings/eye-catchers/previews/etc, has other poor quality checking at times, and most importantly has PQ that will be considered to look abysmal on modern TVs compared to what it can look like.
-try to hunt down a foreign limited release that is sold at exorbitant costs of thousands of dollars, is difficult to find, will mean negotiating a language barrier, risking getting ripped off, waiting forever to receive it in the mail, etc and has no subtitles
-wait for Funi to once again release the series, which will be another long painful wait until its all out, this time w/PQ significantly improved but of course, it's in a widescreen format that essentially destroys the entire intended framing, cuts off a huge percentage of what the original artist wanted you to see, what's cool to see, and perhaps negates even the purpose of wanting to own/see the show at all.
-buy the JPN singles, which cost about $50 or more each for only 6 episodes, have no special features, require importing and enduring long ship times, are still being released meaning it will take even extra long painful waiting for the whole series to come out (if it truly does - no 100% guarantees, lets face it - and how will they handle the TV specials? - will they even release those on singles? - we don't really know jack about how dedicated Toei is to giving us EVERYTHING we want besides the most popular, which is - for certain - only the DBZ episodes themselves), and still have no subtitles at all.

I wanted to add something to how it is for us North American fans for DBZ
- Availability. The DVDs were first released 6 years ago, and as a result of FUNi's fucked up release schedule, it's kinda hard to find all of one specific story arc. Flash to 2006, where it's pretty much hard to find any Dragon Ball Z series DVD anywhere. Most major retailers only store the recent movies and the last Ultimate Uncut DVD. And even those who DO have some DBZ DVDs don't have 'em all.

And rental stores are worse off.

While in Japan, Toei is selling the Dragon Boxes for lots of money. They may be expensive, but they're at least available. For now.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:37 pm

Amiable-Akuma wrote:MajinVejitaXV, (in response to your response to my rant) - Just wanted to let you know that I respect all your opinions and defenses of Toei's release practices. Want you to know too that, I've always really loved/appreciated the kinds of posts you continuously make on this board so, in a way, the former would be sort of a given. Your comments have always been very interesting/helpful to me. So, in any case, (and in this case) - I hear what you are saying.

That's cool, and I appreciate it. I'm just a goofy ass guy who likes DragonBall along with a bunch of other dork-type things (and gets ragged on by my girlfriend, though she's slowly warming to it), but I appreciate the compliments.

I won't do the whole "quote you, then reply in segments" thing because it wears on the eyes, but I'll address the stuff you brought up because you do have valid points.

Sadly, DBZ fans in North America do get dicked over and have since the series first hit the continent. Due to deals made when FUNi first started out, and questionable business practices, for those who just wanted to buy the series chronologically there was no way to do it domestically. And there still isn't. Its made more frustrating by the fact that FUNi shows a degree of competance with almost every other release they handle.

As for Toei, I understand what you mean. They did take awhile to even talk about the series hitting DVD, but since it was announced originally in a poll on Toei's website back in '99-'00, I can surmise that it was something that they were working on for awhile. Could they have released it once with the materials they had circa 1997, then done a special remastered edition? Sure, but in all honesty in a world of double and triple dips from companies, I'm glad to see Toei do it once and do it right.

I mean, I waited from the time that what would become the DragonBoxes were first rumored until I owned them all, so I know the frustration all too well. Looking at them now, was it worth it? To me, yes. YMMV as always.

My frustration here comes from FUNi's inability to get the series out AT ALL. They did the original Pioneer discs, which were junk (unless you wanted the Ocean dub for nostalgia, which I might someday), then the 'Uncut' discs from Ginyu forward with the most insane release order I've ever seen, then the 'Ultimate Uncut Editions' which couldn't even get completed before they yanked the power on it and started these season sets.

Imagine the poor bastard who bought every disc, and now has to buy more. Hell, the unluckiest people might have to buy some episodes as much as 3 times. Not only that, but people shouldn't have to resort to R2 releases just to feel like they're not being ripped off. That was my original reason for going to Toei for my DragonBall fix. I don't think any one series has been screwed so many times. I mean, EVA's been released like 20 times, but at least each time ADV did it, it was a complete release.

In the end, we're fucked. That's the quickest, truest way to put it. DBW put it best, FUNi feels that DragonBall is flawed and keeps changing their image of how to 'fix' it. Problem is, they can't complete one image before they get a new and improved one. Skeletal uncut releases give way to 'Ultimate' releases which give way to saga boxes. Music, scripts, characters, and now even the animation itself must be 'fixed' to make DragonBall better.

Meanwhile, those of us who had been waiting since 1997 or earlier are sitting on the sidelines wondering how long it'll take FUNi to realize that we like DragonBall just the way it is. After a decade, it seems there's some waiting still to be done.

Blitzen (Dramatization) wrote:@#$!ing @#$!ers with their @#$!

Whoa, calm down. All things considered, it's just an anime. The point of people saying 'vote with your wallet' isn't to say don't buy it and remain silent, but rather voice your dissent and then reinforce it by not contributing financially. Hell, it makes no sense to go, "Wow, I hate this! It's the worst idea ever! You're ruining the series!...now if you'll excuse me, I gotta go preorder it..."

FUNi will listen to the dollars, and that's a fact. A strong vocal presense and a lack of sales figures will prevoke action. Bitching and then buying the damned thing anyway on the other hand will cause FUNi to laugh and go to the bank.

It's always a gamble, people. Yeah, FUNi might pack up their toys and go to another sandbox. However, I'm willing to bet that if enough people voiced a strong displeasure with this decision and didn't buy the box, they'd "magically" find a fullscreen telecine shortly thereafter. It wouldn't be the first time a company backpeddled on a stupid decision.

-Corey