Drayenko wrote:Yeah, anime industry doesn't work like that and Dragon Ball is not special.
It kinda is.
But yea, I doubt Toei is planning for anything more than 26 episodes or so from the get-go. They may decide to do more (not as in a second season, but just continuing to push forth episodes) depending on views and sales.
Drayenko wrote:Yeah, anime industry doesn't work like that and Dragon Ball is not special.
It kinda is.
But yea, I doubt Toei is planning for anything more than 26 episodes or so from the get-go. They may decide to do more (not as in a second season, but just continuing to push forth episodes) depending on views and sales.
Yeah, it's gonna definitely be longer than 26 episodes. It's Toei, it's Dragonball, it's the timeslot (the Dream 9 block never had a series shorter than four cours).
Last but not least, 50-episode shows are more attractive for international sales.
It's a safe bet Super is being planned for 48-52 episodes, with a possible extension if things go as expected.
Ratings won't be a problem - the Buu arc of Kai is doing extremely well in that regard, and that's a half-assed rerun - so it all comes down to merchandise sales. And 26 episodes wouldn't even be enough to measure that and start to planning more, immediately.
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Big Momma wrote:This is an original story being made from scratch. Unless this ends up being a HUGE hit, I doubt we'll see more than 60/70 episodes.
It won't go over 26. If it is a gigantic hit, they'll just make another season in 1 year.
That's not how Sunday morning anime works. If there is any set amount of episodes to begin with, it'll be 50-ish, and you can bet they'll extend it if they feel it's worth it. The model you're talking about is late night anime that runs at 2 AM.
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Big Momma wrote:This is an original story being made from scratch. Unless this ends up being a HUGE hit, I doubt we'll see more than 60/70 episodes.
It won't go over 26. If it is a gigantic hit, they'll just make another season in 1 year.
That's not how Sunday morning anime works. If there is any set amount of episodes to begin with, it'll be 50-ish, and you can bet they'll extend it if they feel it's worth it. The model you're talking about is late night anime that runs at 2 AM.
This. They're confusing Dragonball with late night anime that rely almost entirely on dvd/blu-ray sales, not on merchandise and ratings like daytime series.
Those require a completely different planning and strategy.
How many franchises can you list that have lasted 20+ years after their manga's original run ?
Dragon Ball still getting new movies, OVA's, spin off manga and anime series' even after all these years is testament for how special Dragon Ball truly is.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Drayenko wrote:Yeah, anime industry doesn't work like that and Dragon Ball is not special.
It kinda is.
But yea, I doubt Toei is planning for anything more than 26 episodes or so from the get-go. They may decide to do more (not as in a second season, but just continuing to push forth episodes) depending on views and sales.
Yeah, it's gonna definitely be longer than 26 episodes. It's Toei, it's Dragonball, it's the timeslot (the Dream 9 block never had a series shorter than four cours).
Last but not least, 50-episode shows are more attractive for international sales.
It's a safe bet Super is being planned for 48-52 episodes, with a possible extension if things go as expected.
Ratings won't be a problem - the Buu arc of Kai is doing extremely well in that regard, and that's a half-assed rerun - so it all comes down to merchandise sales. And 26 episodes wouldn't even be enough to measure that and start to planning more, immediately.
The timeslot has never had a series begin in midsummer either. It could easily have a shortened run and end for the next series to take over at the usual time in 2016.
As for the planning... it's more Dragon Ball. Merchandise sales are gonna be what they are at the start. Doesn't require as much planning as an entirely new property. The ratings are the main question and 26 episodes will be more than enough to judge whether people are into the new stuff as much as Z or if they've made another GT and need to scrap it.
How many franchises can you list that have lasted 20+ years after their manga's original run ?
Or how many entered global pop culture history? Dragon Ball, Sailor Moon, Pokemon and that's basically it. Other properties don't even come close.
Are we only counting stuff that has at some point had a manga? Because I could list literally dozens of franchises that have been relevant for decades longer than Dragon Ball has.
Dragon Ball is "special," yes. But let's not pretend that it being old is any kind of unique thing.
How many franchises can you list that have lasted 20+ years after their manga's original run ?
Gundam for one, they started in 79 and are still going strong. Let's see the Guyver Manga is still technically going and they started in 85, Let's not forget Saint Seiya either! To add a little western flavor, Transformers and TMNT are still getting new content across multiple forms of media. To add some Toku flare, Godzilla is still going strong and he's from the 50s. There are plenty of things that are much much older then Dragon Ball that are still running to this day.
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How many franchises can you list that have lasted 20+ years after their manga's original run ?
Want a list? Okay here a list of franchises that lasted for over 20 years and still around today:
Alien
A shit ton of superheroes from Marvel and DC
Battle Angel Alita
Berserk
Bio Booster Armor Guyver
Detective Conan
Doraemon
Final Fantasy
Friday the 13th
Gatachman (G-Force)
Godzilla
Gundam
Hellboy
James Bond
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
Kamen Rider
Legend of Zelda
Lord of the Rings
Looney Tunes
Mario
Mazinger
Mortal Kombat
Nintama Rantarou
Savage Dragon
Shin Chan
Sonic the Hedgehog
Super Sentai/Power Rangers
Saint Seiya
Star Trek
Star Wars
Street Fighter
Spawn
Transformers
Terminator
Tekken
TMNT
Tom and Jerry
Predator
Ultraman
I can go on forever if you want.
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How many franchises can you list that have lasted 20+ years after their manga's original run ?
Want a list? Okay here a list of franchises that lasted for over 20 years and still around today:
Alien
A shit ton of superheroes from Marvel and DC
Battle Angel Alita
Berserk
Bio Booster Armor Guyver
Doraemon
Gatachman (G-Force)
Godzilla
Gundam
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
Kamen Rider
Legend of Zelda
Looney Tunes
Mario
Mazinger
Mortal Kombat
Super Sentai/Power Rangers
Saint Seiya
Star Trek
Star Wars
Street Fighter
Spawn
Transformers
Terminator
Tekken
TMNT
Tom and Jerry
Predator
Ultraman
I can go on forever if you want.
Sherlock Holmes, Dracula, Tarzan, Lovecraft, Lord of the Rings, Tom and Jerry, Loony Tunes, Scooby Doo, Muppets, Voltron, etc., etc., etc.
How many franchises can you list that have lasted 20+ years after their manga's original run ?
Want a list? Okay here a list of franchises that lasted for over 20 years and still around today:
Alien
A shit ton of superheroes from Marvel and DC
Battle Angel Alita
Berserk
Bio Booster Armor Guyver
Doraemon
Final Fantasy
Friday the 13th
Gatachman (G-Force)
Godzilla
Gundam
James Bond
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
Kamen Rider
Legend of Zelda
Looney Tunes
Mario
Mazinger
Mortal Kombat
Savage Dragon
Sonic the Hedgehog
Super Sentai/Power Rangers
Saint Seiya
Star Trek
Star Wars
Street Fighter
Spawn
Transformers
Terminator
Tekken
TMNT
Tom and Jerry
Predator
Ultraman
I can go on forever if you want.
I think he was referring to franchises that started of as a manga and then continued to relevant even after the original manga run ended. Not franchises in general media. But if you know about a Looney Toones manga, tell me about it now.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Battle Angel Alita, Bastard!!, Berserk, Bio Booster Armor Guyver and JoJo has been around the 1980's and still running today with new manga chapters. While not as well known as DBZ, but they are still on going. Both Detective Conan and Shin Chan are over 20 years old and still on going today.
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Dragon Ball is special. Not due to its longevity though.
Before One Piece, it was the highest selling manga of all time. It's influenced a lot of shonen manga. And, along with Pokemon, it's the most mainstream Japanese franchise (excluding video games) and anime on the planet.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
Dragon Ball is special, *specially* for Latin America. DB has been ingrained on our culture for the last 20 years... I was worried the new generation wouldn't take it up and say it was "old", but DBZ is still strong on the 8-12 year range here in Mexico... I don't see any other series getting the same love from old and new watchers as DB.
BTW, Berserk is lost in the same Hiatus Hell as HunterxHunter. It makes me a sad panda.
Check out Journey's End, a short story of Goku and Vegeta's final days. "Time is running out for the last two Saiyans"
