DBZ IZ the STRONGEST UNIVERSE

[Kamiccolo9]

Dragon Ball Z, while it is admittedly generally considered to be one of the stronger fictional universes, is often lowballed by its detractors. In this post, I will decisively prove that Dragon Ball has the most powerful characters in all of fiction.

To begin, for the purposes of this discussion, we will be taking GT into account along with the main continuity. It’s arguable that Goku’s full power by the end of this series would be rivaling that of the strongest of other fictional universes. His feats in base during the battle with the final dragon put him in an extreme defensive class, as well as offensive. It’s fair to say that he could only be decisively beaten by the high level cosmic entities and reality-warping beings present in other works of fiction.
So, taking this Goku into account, we can postulate on the strongest non-hypothetical character in the canon: Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta. Gogeta on his own, is, at the very least, more than fifty times stronger than Goku and Vegeta combined. “Why,” you may ask? Because Akira Toriyama has stated that he envisioned Fusion as a greater boost in power than Super Saiyan, which, as we all know, is a fifty times multiplier. Furthermore, Super Saiyan 4 has been theorized to be as much as a forty thousand times multiplier from a Saiyan’s base. This stacked with the Fusion boost would be a whopping two million times multiplier!

Now, going into the realm of the hypothetical, we have a potential Super Saiyan 4 Vegetto. Given that the Potara method of Fusion grants a boost equal to the battle powers of the respective components of the fusion directly multiplied together, you end up with a much larger boost than the dance method. True, we don’t know the actual Battle Powers for Goku and Vegeta at this point in the series, but we do know that they are truly immense, given Goku’s feats in base, and Vegeta having to be his equal in order to fuse. Furthermore, once you add in the forty thousand times multiplier of Super Saiyan 4 to Vegetto, you get a being that is possibly tens, if not even hundreds of millions of times stronger than Goku and Vegeta.

What next, you may ask? Well, Vegeta has the benefit of having a super genius wife. Given that Dr. Gero was able to utilize a manner of cloning technology, it is hardly a stretch of the imagination to believe that Bulma could do the same, and possibly improve on it. So, Bulma produces clones of Goku and Vegeta.
One of the sets of Saiyans will utilize the two remaining Potara methods to produce Vegetto, while the other set will perform the Metamorese dance in order to become Gogeta. Now, they would use Vegetto’s earrings to merge yet again, forming the ultimate fusion: Gogetto!

Given the beyond extreme boost generated by the Potara method of Fusion, and the already ridiculous powers inherent in the respective fusees, it is hardly a stretch of the imagination to assume that this being is already the strongest in fiction. But we’re not quite done.

In Battle of Gods, it is revealed that Vegeta, like Gohan, possesses dormant power than can be awoken when he is righteously angry. This power would naturally be multiplied throughout the various Fusion processes, leading to the Old Kaioshin being able to draw out all of Super Saiyan 4 Gogetto’s power with his ritual.
And finally, with the help of his friends, this warrior can achieve the ultimate power bestowed by the Super Saiyan God ritual, which he could of course master, becoming Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan 4 Gogetto. I defy anybody to conceptualize of a being in fiction more powerful than this colossus.
Thank you for your time, and I hope you enjoyed my presentation.

[Bullza]

Superman solos.

[ShaneisMC]

First off, a lot of ass grabbed numbers. Secondly, there comes a point in any fiction where the suspension of disbelief is broken and the material just becomes utterly pointless and lame. They are doing perfectly fine where they are now. And honestly it's about at the limit of coolness. The top tier people are literally all gods now with somewhere between multi solar system and galaxy busting potential. As far as any stronger other fictional characters, I present to you the single most broken pointless character in all of fiction. Superman Prime. He's literally almost exactly on par with an all powerful/abrahamic God. He can't be hurt, killed, die, etc. Can raise people from the dead, create whatever he wants, wish things out of existence, omniscience, omniprescense, etc.

[Lord Beerus]

I have never once believed that the Dragon Ball universe is the strongest universe in fiction. And anybody who does think the Dragon Ball universe is the strongest universe in fiction, needs a reality check.

[fadeddreams5]

First off, a lot of ass grabbed numbers. Secondly, there comes a point in any fiction where the suspension of disbelief is broken and the material just becomes utterly pointless and lame. They are doing perfectly fine where they are now. And honestly it's about at the limit of coolness. The top tier people are literally all gods now with somewhere between multi solar system and galaxy busting potential. As far as any stronger other fictional characters, I present to you the single most broken pointless character in all of fiction. Superman Prime. He's literally almost exactly on par with an all powerful/abrahamic God. He can't be hurt, killed, die, etc. Can raise people from the dead, create whatever he wants, wish things out of existence, omniscience, omniprescense, etc.

Ur wrong. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegito can beat Superman Prime because he's stronger than Beerus, who's the god of destruction. Superman Prime is not the god of destruction of his universe, so he can't beat Vegito. Also, Whis can turn back time, so Superman Prime will turn back to Superman. Then, I think Krillin cuts him in half because Krillin is the strongest human in the DBZ verse, which is the strongest verse in fiction, as proven by OP.

[ShaneisMC]

First off, a lot of ass grabbed numbers. Secondly, there comes a point in any fiction where the suspension of disbelief is broken and the material just becomes utterly pointless and lame. They are doing perfectly fine where they are now. And honestly it's about at the limit of coolness. The top tier people are literally all gods now with somewhere between multi solar system and galaxy busting potential. As far as any stronger other fictional characters, I present to you the single most broken pointless character in all of fiction. Superman Prime. He's literally almost exactly on par with an all powerful/abrahamic God. He can't be hurt, killed, die, etc. Can raise people from the dead, create whatever he wants, wish things out of existence, omniscience, omniprescense, etc.

Ur wrong. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegito can beat Superman Prime because he's stronger than Beerus, who's the god of destruction. Superman Prime is not the god of destruction of his universe, so he can't beat Vegito. Also, Whis can turn back time, so Superman Prime will turn back to Superman. Then, I think Krillin cuts him in half because Krillin is the strongest human in the DBZ verse, which is the strongest verse in fiction, as proven by OP.

What part of omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence, inability to be hurt, and just all around perfection do you not understand? The highest being in his universe is known as the precense, which is based on the abrahamic God. Aka an all powerful being. Superman Prime broke into heaven and trained with him. He is literally almost as powerful as the Jehovah God. Its utterly ridiculous. He can do whatever the fuck he wants pretty much. And it's one of the many reasons that he is also INCREDIBLY LAME. *edit. I believe I have been played. My bad for reacting so quickly. This is the internet though. Morons are everywhere. :p

[KentalSSJ6]

First off, a lot of ass grabbed numbers. Secondly, there comes a point in any fiction where the suspension of disbelief is broken and the material just becomes utterly pointless and lame. They are doing perfectly fine where they are now. And honestly it's about at the limit of coolness. The top tier people are literally all gods now with somewhere between multi solar system and galaxy busting potential. As far as any stronger other fictional characters, I present to you the single most broken pointless character in all of fiction. Superman Prime. He's literally almost exactly on par with an all powerful/abrahamic God. He can't be hurt, killed, die, etc. Can raise people from the dead, create whatever he wants, wish things out of existence, omniscience, omniprescense, etc.

Ur wrong. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegito can beat Superman Prime because he's stronger than Beerus, who's the god of destruction. Superman Prime is not the god of destruction of his universe, so he can't beat Vegito. Also, Whis can turn back time, so Superman Prime will turn back to Superman. Then, I think Krillin cuts him in half because Krillin is the strongest human in the DBZ verse, which is the strongest verse in fiction, as proven by OP.

You really know nothing about Supes Prime do you? He sat in the core of the sun for 15 thousand years. Hes virtually immortal, has the powers of a 5th Dimension Imp (5th Dimensional Imps, are Imps... from the 5th Dimension... go figure. They are beings with extreme power at their disposal that put them above nearly all cosmic beings in the Multiverse. They have shown to be able to destroy dimensions by laughing and creating entire Universes by snapping their fingers), has access to a green lantern ring, immune to every weakness Superman has ever had since the birth of the character, supposedly created his own universe, and more.

Supes Prime could look at Beerus and will him out of existence with a snap of the fingers.

[Polyphase Avatron]

...tl;dr

But I'd really like to see someone try to argue against Expanded Universe Doctor Who. Which I happen to be somewhat of an expert on...

[Lord Beerus]

First off, a lot of ass grabbed numbers. Secondly, there comes a point in any fiction where the suspension of disbelief is broken and the material just becomes utterly pointless and lame. They are doing perfectly fine where they are now. And honestly it's about at the limit of coolness. The top tier people are literally all gods now with somewhere between multi solar system and galaxy busting potential. As far as any stronger other fictional characters, I present to you the single most broken pointless character in all of fiction. Superman Prime. He's literally almost exactly on par with an all powerful/abrahamic God. He can't be hurt, killed, die, etc. Can raise people from the dead, create whatever he wants, wish things out of existence, omniscience, omniprescense, etc.

Ur wrong. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegito can beat Superman Prime because he's stronger than Beerus, who's the god of destruction. Superman Prime is not the god of destruction of his universe, so he can't beat Vegito. Also, Whis can turn back time, so Superman Prime will turn back to Superman. Then, I think Krillin cuts him in half because Krillin is the strongest human in the DBZ verse, which is the strongest verse in fiction, as proven by OP.

You really know nothing about Supes Prime do you? He sat in the core of the sun for 15 thousand years. Hes virtually immortal, has the powers of a 5th Dimension Imp (5th Dimensional Imps, are Imps... from the 5th Dimension... go figure. They are beings with extreme power at their disposal that put them above nearly all cosmic beings in the Multiverse. They have shown to be able to destroy dimensions by laughing and creating entire Universes by snapping their fingers), has access to a green lantern ring, immune to every weakness Superman has ever had since the birth of the character, supposedly created his own universe, and more.

Supes Prime could look at Beerus and will him out of existence with a snap of the fingers.

You underestimate the DBZ universe, KentalSSJ6. Super Perfect Cell is a solar system buster and SSJGSSJ Goku is millions of times stronger than him which make him a universe buster and Beerus is nearly twice as strong as him, which makes him a multiverse buster. And Whis is even stronger than Beerus, which means he could stomp Superman Prime out of existence.A bit late to the joke

[KentalSSJ6]

They can "bust" all they want. Supes Prime can wave his hand and lock both Beerus and Whis in a mutli layered pocket universe. Raw strength wont mean a single thing against someone who can basically play with the universe like a kid in a sandbox.

[Polyphase Avatron]

They can "bust" all they want. Supes Prime can wave his hand and lock both Beerus and Whis in a mutli layered pocket universe. Raw strength wont mean a single thing against someone who can basically play with the universe like a kid in a sandbox.

The Time Lords put universes in bottles and use them as disposable power sources...

(Just figured I'd mention that for no reason)

[fadeddreams5]

The highest being in his universe is known as the precense, which is based on the abrahamic God. Aka an all powerful being. Superman Prime broke into heaven and trained with him. .

Goku did this ages ago with King Kai! And his power level was only over 9000. Now it's like 400 quintillion, which is like twice the amount Superman can lift on his good day. Prime can prob lift like maybe 200 quintillion more, but Goku can use Kaioken and Prime loses.

You really know nothing about Supes Prime do you? He sat in the core of the sun for 15 thousand years. Hes virtually immortal, has the powers of a 5th Dimension Imp (5th Dimensional Imps, are Imps... from the 5th Dimension... go figure. They are beings with extreme power at their disposal that put them above nearly all cosmic beings in the Multiverse. They have shown to be able to destroy dimensions by laughing and creating entire Universes by snapping their fingers), has access to a green lantern ring, immune to every weakness Superman has ever had since the birth of the character, supposedly created his own universe, and more.

Supes Prime could look at Beerus and will him out of existence with a snap of the fingers.

Nah. Beerus never used 100% strength. At 100%, he can erase Prime because Prime is untrained in fighting. I just learned he's basically Superman after training with his universe's King Kai. I don't think he'd win, tbh. Anyways, Whis can just turn back times if those imps snap their fingers. If he does that enough times, their thumbs will get sore and Whis one-shots.

[ShaneisMC]

What part of immortal and an inability to take damage in any capacity is being missed here? Don't get me wrong, I love the whole Goku vs Superman arguments. And I take Goku's side on every fight, with the exception of this one. This isn't a fault of the DBZ universe, it's the fact that this iteration of Superman was written as literally an all powerful being essentially. Which again makes him pointless and stupid. He can't die. Ever. No damage. Zero. Its stupid. But that's how he was written.

[Polyphase Avatron]

*Depressed because my DW talk is being ignored*

[SSJ God Gogeta]

*Depressed because my DW talk is being ignored*

Oh Please! Continue.

[singsing]

Thanks for the great laugh guys. I'm not sure if the people arguing DBZ isn't the strongest universe have gotten trolled or are just playing a part, but great laugh nonetheless

What part of immortal and an inability to take damage in any capacity is being missed here? Don't get me wrong, I love the whole Goku vs Superman arguments. And I take Goku's side on every fight, with the exception of this one. This isn't a fault of the DBZ universe, it's the fact that this iteration of Superman was written as literally an all powerful being essentially. Which again makes him pointless and stupid. He can't die. Ever. No damage. Zero. Its stupid. But that's how he was written.

Lucifer Morningstar wills him out of existence. Bam, he can die. He can take damage. It's no longer stupid. GGWPNOREGONEXT

[ShaneisMC]

I did mention in my second post I was pretty sure I'd been played with. But either way its entertaining like you said.

[Polyphase Avatron]

*Depressed because my DW talk is being ignored*

Oh Please! Continue.

Want to hear about Swimmers? Bringing them up is always fun.

[SSJ God Gogeta]

Want to hear about Swimmers? Bringing them up is always fun.

Sure!

[mmg86]

Well, this topic is a pretty good parody of some of the arguments in favor od DB that float around in the internet, hahaha. But eh, i wanna reply anyway.

"I defy anybody to conceptualize of a being in fiction more powerful than this colossus." Thats all you want? Eh, i dont have to, Van Gogh and Weather Report did it for me in JoJo's Bizarre Aventure! Put Back: a hero who put all fictional characters back where they belong.