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Polyphase Avatron wrote:Want to hear about Swimmers? Bringing them up is always fun.
Sure!
Okay, think of the biggest monster you've ever heard of.
No, bigger than that.
Bigger than that.
Even bigger than that!
Okay, got it?
Now whatever you just imagined would be less than a speck of dust to a Swimmer.
These things are named because they 'swim' through the Void outside of reality and universes that get too close to them are described as bursting like tiny foam bubbles on the skin of a whale. Not only that, but in the Void no matter or energy can even exist, yet the Swimmers manage to not only exist there but thrive. There was also a conceptual being that could eat concepts itself (you think you're strong? Oops, the very idea of 'strength' was just eaten), yet the Swimmers regarded that concept-eating being as a light snack for them.
And they're not even the most powerful things in the setting.
Polyphase Avatron wrote:Okay, think of the biggest monster you've ever heard of.
No, bigger than that.
Bigger than that.
Even bigger than that!
Okay, got it?
Now whatever you just imagined would be less than a speck of dust to a Swimmer.
These things are named because they 'swim' through the Void outside of reality and universes that get too close to them are described as bursting like tiny foam bubbles on the skin of a whale. Not only that, but in the Void no matter or energy can even exist, yet the Swimmers manage to not only exist there but thrive. There was also a conceptual being that could eat concepts itself (you think you're strong? Oops, the very idea of 'strength' was just eaten), yet the Swimmers regarded that concept-eating being as a light snack for them.
And they're not even the most powerful things in the setting.
Dayum.
Ain't nobody messing with swimmers.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Polyphase Avatron wrote:These things are named because they 'swim' through the Void outside of reality and universes that get too close to them are described as bursting like tiny foam bubbles on the skin of a whale. Not only that, but in the Void no matter or energy can even exist, yet the Swimmers manage to not only exist there but thrive. There was also a conceptual being that could eat concepts itself (you think you're strong? Oops, the very idea of 'strength' was just eaten), yet the Swimmers regarded that concept-eating being as a light snack for them.
And they're not even the most powerful things in the setting.
And then Elder God Demonbane summons different incarnations of himself from across time starts smashing universes into each other until the chain reaction becomes a damaging sensation, so the Swimmer eats all the robots and... well there really isn't anything left to be stronger than at that point, is there?
Oh, there is? What does he/she/it-for-lack-of-gender-neutral do in their downtime? Something that's not a thinly-veiled satire on humans having the nerve to do anything in light of their tiny existence?
ShaneisMC wrote:There comes a point in any fiction where the suspension of disbelief is broken and the material just becomes utterly pointless and lame.
Dragon Ball is about on the edge of where the fantastic is still entertaining without being an exercise in the grand pissing contest of fictional abstract indulgence. At the end of the day, its a lot more entertaining for it.
JulieYBM wrote:
Pannaliciour wrote:Reading all the comments and interviews, my conclusion is: nobody knows what the hell is going on.
Polyphase Avatron wrote:These things are named because they 'swim' through the Void outside of reality and universes that get too close to them are described as bursting like tiny foam bubbles on the skin of a whale. Not only that, but in the Void no matter or energy can even exist, yet the Swimmers manage to not only exist there but thrive. There was also a conceptual being that could eat concepts itself (you think you're strong? Oops, the very idea of 'strength' was just eaten), yet the Swimmers regarded that concept-eating being as a light snack for them.
And they're not even the most powerful things in the setting.
And then Elder God Demonbane summons different incarnations of himself from across time starts smashing universes into each other until the chain reaction becomes a damaging sensation, so the Swimmer eats all the robots and... well there really isn't anything left to be stronger than at that point, is there?
Oh, there is? What does he/she/it-for-lack-of-gender-neutral do in their downtime? Something that's not a thinly-veiled satire on humans having the nerve to do anything in light of their tiny existence?
ShaneisMC wrote:There comes a point in any fiction where the suspension of disbelief is broken and the material just becomes utterly pointless and lame.
Dragon Ball is about on the edge of where the fantastic is still entertaining without being an exercise in the grand pissing contest of fictional abstract indulgence. At the end of the day, its a lot more entertaining for it.
You nailed it. Though I said that earlier, but yeah. they're about as far as it goes where its still cool/believable/entertaining.
Well the Swimmers are more of a background threat in the book they're in, instead of trying to fight them directly it's more like 'one of these things is heading towards our universe, we only have a limited amount of time to think of something or we're all dead'
And the answer in the end is to
Spoiler:
eject the thing it's really after outside of the universe so it eats it and spares the universe
Polyphase Avatron wrote:Well the Swimmers are more of a background threat in the book they're in, instead of trying to fight them directly it's more like 'one of these things is heading towards our universe, we only have a limited amount of time to think of something or we're all dead'
And the answer in the end is to
Spoiler:
eject the thing it's really after outside of the universe so it eats it and spares the universe
. Pretty good book actually.
Are we still talking about Doctor Who? I admit I lost track in the recent verbal rampage.
JulieYBM wrote:
Pannaliciour wrote:Reading all the comments and interviews, my conclusion is: nobody knows what the hell is going on.
Doctor. wrote:Needs low-quality scanlations and bad grammar to be a credible argument.
And quotes from the FUNi dub of Z.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Lord Beerus wrote:I have never once believed that the Dragon Ball universe is the strongest universe in fiction. And anybody who does think the Dragon Ball universe is the strongest universe in fiction, needs a reality check.
Are you sure about that? Are you one of the people who supports Death Battle constantly letting DBZ lose?
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
Lord Beerus wrote:I have never once believed that the Dragon Ball universe is the strongest universe in fiction. And anybody who does think the Dragon Ball universe is the strongest universe in fiction, needs a reality check.
Are you sure about that? Are you one of the people who supports Death Battle constantly letting DBZ lose?
Well that is a loaded and unrelated question.
JulieYBM wrote:
Pannaliciour wrote:Reading all the comments and interviews, my conclusion is: nobody knows what the hell is going on.
Lord Beerus wrote:I have never once believed that the Dragon Ball universe is the strongest universe in fiction. And anybody who does think the Dragon Ball universe is the strongest universe in fiction, needs a reality check.
Are you sure about that? Are you one of the people who supports Death Battle constantly letting DBZ lose?
Well that is a loaded and unrelated question.
Hard to tell, if he's being serious or playing along with the joke.
