Unpopular DB opinions

[TheGmGoken]

Even that is a stretch. Dick was fine as Batman FOR A WHILE, but not long term. He's his own hero, with his own identity. I'm fine with a few things here and there where there's another Batman, but Bruce Wayne IS Batman. And I hate Batman Incorporated, it's a terrible idea.

Many new things have an initial boost in sales, but long term, it doesn't last. Thor Odinson is the character people want wielding the hammer. Dr. Who is the same character, just a different actor. It's no different than James Bond. Different actor, same character.

And pointing to Gohan is what we were talking about. Goku vs. Vegeta was the more interesting story.

Nope. That's your opinion. But Dick as Batman > Bruce. Dick is his own hero yes. But Dick killed it as Batman. Batman incorporated was a unique cool idea. Best thing in a long time besides Batman-Endgame

Clearly Thor will get the hammer back. But for now Female Thor is selling triple the amount of Thor.

Goku vs Vegeta is one sided and boring. Toriyama made right choice w/ centering around Gohan not GV.

[ABED]

Even that is a stretch. Dick was fine as Batman FOR A WHILE, but not long term. He's his own hero, with his own identity. I'm fine with a few things here and there where there's another Batman, but Bruce Wayne IS Batman. And I hate Batman Incorporated, it's a terrible idea.

Many new things have an initial boost in sales, but long term, it doesn't last. Thor Odinson is the character people want wielding the hammer. Dr. Who is the same character, just a different actor. It's no different than James Bond. Different actor, same character.

And pointing to Gohan is what we were talking about. Goku vs. Vegeta was the more interesting story.

Nope. That's your opinion. But Dick as Batman > Bruce. Dick is his own hero yes. But Dick killed it as Batman. Batman incorporated was a unique cool idea. Best thing in a long time besides Batman-Endgame

Dick was good as Batman, but he's not great. Bruce IS Batman. Even the iconography of a bat is specific to Bruce, it's part of his childhood that lead him to choosing that visage. There isn't nearly the resonance.

You seem to miss the point, in the short run it sounds like an interesting idea, but 1 - it's rarely good in practice, and 2 - it doesn't work as well in the long run.

DB is Goku's story. Him taking a backseat for the ending feels wrong.

[TheGmGoken]

Dick was awesome! Not good. Killed it as Nightwing. Murder it as Agent G. Conquered Batman. Grayson the OG. THE real MVP.

BUT that's off topic. Many series changed my characters abs and lived just fine.

[ABED]

Dick was awesome! Not good. Killed it as Nightwing. Murder it as Agent G. Conquered Batman. Grayson the OG. THE real MVP.

BUT that's off topic. Many series changed my characters abs and lived just fine.

For the short run.

I can name better known series that prove the point: That 70s Show, X-Files, Dukes of Hazard, Happy Days, The Office, Spider-Man (the Clone Saga).

[Rocketman]

Danny Ketch was the more popular Ghost Rider, and the vast majority of the Rider's powers and stuff come from his version.

[gohann]

Goku vs Vegeta is one sided and boring. Toriyama made right choice w/ centering around Gohan not GV.

I agree! Their rivalry is the same thing over and over again, and had long since wore out its welcome; it's probably one of the worst things about having them both appear at once.

[ABED]

<br abp="688"><br abp="689">Goku vs Vegeta is one sided and boring. Toriyama made right choice w/ centering around Gohan not GV.

<br abp="690">I agree! Their rivalry is the same thing over and over again, and had long since wore out its welcome; it's probably one of the worst things about having them both appear at once.

SO disagree, it finally coming to ahead and Vegeta sacrificing whatever good part of him that he had done up to that point was interesting. What did Gohan do that was so interesting?

[fadeddreams5]

I think Gohan would have made a great main protagonist after the Cell Games. He just needed to be developed as such. His shy, goofy self is fine, but in battle or during moments of danger, he should have turned a 180 and been more like Future Trunks when he fought Frieza: confident, strong, prepared, and lacking any bit of hesitance to pull the trigger, which would be something he'd learn after his toying around got his dad killed. He should have been a complete badass in fights, and well conditioned (i.e. not rusty or lacking training). A lot of things involving him should have been different in the Buu saga, which could have EASILY made people prefer him more than Goku for this role, especially in the US.

Gohan works, unlike someone like Uub, because the audience grew to know him, saw him develop into a fighter, and there was always build up to his potential until he finally became a SSJ2. Sure, there should have been more of a connection between him and Cell, and his role should have been more prominent in the Cell saga, but for what it's worth, he was a strong fan favorite character. Replacing a main character is only really bad when the audience is not familiar with the new guy, such as in Yu-Gi-Oh! with Jaden or MGS2 with Raiden, and as would be the case with Uub or Pan.

As for Goku, he'd never be completely replaced. He'd stay dead, but his supporting role would be strong, which was exactly the case in most of the Buu saga. DBZ should have been branched, with Goku having adventures in the other world and Gohan being the savior in the living one.

[TheGmGoken]

Goku could easily been what avatar Roku was to Aang

[Ringworm128]

The problem is that making Gohan some badass who trains goes againts how the character is written. It's made clear right from the start that he doesn't like fighting and that he'll only do it if here needs to. Having Gohan become some badass who trains would be like Oolong suddenly becoming a martial artist or Tien deciding to start a family.

[dbzfan7]

The problem is that making Gohan some badass who trains goes againts how the character is written. It's made clear right from the start that he doesn't like fighting and that he'll only do it if here needs to. Having Gohan become some badass who trains would be like Oolong suddenly becoming a martial artist or Tenshinhan deciding to start a family.

Gohan has picked a lot of weird times to step up if that we're the case. Not saying being a stone cold badass is right for him...it's not. But the boy who trained and fought to help has suddenly died. He's trained a bunch of times just to be helpful so he could protect himself and his friends. If anything now it's weird that he reverted back to the child who has to rely on his father to save him time and time again. I find it kinda sad how our leads always have to be meat heads who care more about fighting than the safety of their family and friends. Gohan is like the one character who could subvert this, being someone who cares more about protecting his family and home, rather than fighting to be strong. But no instead we just have someone who doesn't even try to protect that family of his. Instead having daddy do it for him. Those crooks in Satan City are more important to handle, than the true threats who could bring ruin. Hell he's seen what happens when Goku and Vegeta get obsessed with battle, and still counts on their recklessness to win out. We could have a smart more caring person be the opposite dynamic of Goku and Vegeta....but then that'd mean someone could oppose them and their bizarre ideals...can't have that.

[Rocketman]

The problem is that making Gohan some badass who trains goes againts how the character is written. It's made clear right from the start that he doesn't like fighting and that he'll only do it if here needs to.

Which is why he should train/practice/refine super-analytical style, so when bad shit does happen, he can put it down hard and fast instead of going GUH-HUH SURE I'LL LET YA REACH YER FULL POWER FOR A GOOD FIGHT OH BOY like his dad.

Basically, Movie 12 vs faff.



And also Gohan was eager to fight Babidi's goons so he'd already dropped that character trait as he matured.

[fadeddreams5]

The problem is that making Gohan some badass who trains goes againts how the character is written. It's made clear right from the start that he doesn't like fighting and that he'll only do it if here needs to. Having Gohan become some badass who trains would be like Oolong suddenly becoming a martial artist or Tenshinhan deciding to start a family.

I meant badass in the battlefield. Like, during the Dabura battle, he would reveal all the power he's attained during the 7 years, stunning everyone and dominating Dabura like Future Trunks against Frieza. Against Kibito, he'd go SSJ instead of SSJ2. Vegeta will still note he's weaker, but someone can correct him and say Gohan isn't even ascended. It's just cooler and more respectable than dealing with a rusty pansy.

The character would remain the same as in Great Saiyaman arc outside of the battlefield, only more serious during dire situations (as he is in Mystic mode). As for training, it wouldn't go against his character, but show his progression after Goku died. He wouldn't train because he likes to, but as insurance in case anything bad happens (Babidi...). Hell, this is pretty much how Gohan always was. He always jumped at the chance to train and fight to help the others, so it makes sense that he'd train after the absence of his father and everything that occurred in the Cell Games.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Dabura is underrated, and seeing him fodderized before getting any good fights would make me sad.

[Kid Buu]

Basically, Movie 12 vs faff.

Why do you call RoF, "faff?"

[Rocketman]

Basically, Movie 12 vs faff.

Why do you call RoF, "faff?"

The Japanese abbreviation was FnF, so I transferred that to faff, meaning to waste time doing nothing of importance.

[TheGmGoken]

Basically, Movie 12 vs faff.

Why do you call RoF, "faff?"

The Japanese abbreviation was FnF, so I transferred that to faff, meaning to waste time doing nothing of importance.

I actually kinda prefer your ROFL initials. What happened to that?

[sbk]

just about everyone loves DeathNote and at the same time can all agree that the series kneecapped itself a bit when Near replaced L.

I way prefer L to Near, but if I had to choose between

-L being killed off permanently and being replaced with Near
-L being killed off and being replaced with Near, only for L to be revived last minute and Near being shafted

I'd still rather have the first scenario.. The latter would be really poor writing even if L is cooler than Near

Tho I don't think it's the same as in DBZ because Gohan was there for a long time whereas Near was introduced out of nowhere

[Lord Beerus]

Dabura is underrated, and seeing him fodderized before getting any good fights would make me sad.

Man, seeing Dabra job out like he did to Majin Boo still gets to me. Such a waste of an awesome and unique character.

[fadeddreams5]

Dabura is underrated, and seeing him fodderized before getting any good fights would make me sad.

His sole role was to be a power measurement system, exactly like Mecha Frieza and King Cold. He was as strong as Perfect Cell, so seeing him get beat so easily by Buu showed how much stronger the latter was in comparison; it created a big impact. >.>