Why did Vegeta think immortality would let him beat Freeza ?

[supercat]

Well if we go with what happened to Garlic Jr. in terms of invulnerability, then it may not be so bad for Vegeta. He would eventually benefit from enough Zenkais to be considered significant. Or, I could see him taking a bad beating and suddenly turning SSJ out of desperation.

If we completely ignore the invincibility displayed by Garlic Jr., or his ability to regenerate, then I can't say this will end well for Vegeta. With the absence of regeneration, Freeza could blow him up into pieces, rip him apart, and/or leave him mutilated on the floor to suffer in pain. Unless someone puts him into one of those advanced healing chambers from FnF, or Dende somehow heals him, he'll be on the floor mutilated and agonized with the worst pain he's probably ever felt.

With that being said, I'm inclined to believe that immortality also comes with invincibility, which is probably why both Vegeta and Freeza were so adamant about obtaining it. Therefore, the first scenario of Vegeta taking a beating and tapping into his SSJ potential seems the most likely.

Well, if he has the same general invincibility that Garlic Junior had, which was basically total invulnerability, then he may not be able to get near death power ups, if his body doesn't register as having been "near death."

I don't think Freeza really cared about invincibility, as, to his mind, he was already invincible.

Even if the immortality itself is what initiates the recovery, I feel because the Saiyan's body is going through the whole process of recovering from a serious injury, the Zenkai will still kick in. However, unless Vegeta takes a major pounding through one or two quick hits, his immortality will probably be in constant fix and repair mode. In that regard if Vegeta is unable to get the severe enough injury that is necessary to initiate a Zenkai, I could see this being a long and tedious fight. However, considering the gap between their power on Namek, even one or two attacks from a suppressed Frieza should be enough to cause considerable damage to Vegeta.

Well, if we factor in Frieza's awareness of Buu and Beerus, then even aside from his lingering fear of the SSJ, we could assume that he felt that he was not quite as invincible as he always liked to proclaim.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Wasn't Vegeta under the impression that he either was or was about to become a SSJ? That could be part of it.

[Blade]

I think it was a grey area that Toriyama could have done more address. If we go by how Toei handled Garlic Jr, then we can probably assume that immortality isn't interchangeable with invulnerability as a concept. If we go by that, then it's plausible that Freeza could have still ripped Vegeta limb from limb without technically ending his life.

So I suppose at worse case, immortality could have facilitated Vegeta outliving Freeza had he chosen to run away and hide under a rock somewhere for a couple of hundred years.

[The Desert Bandit]

I was thinking maybe Vegeta would just keep endlessly fighting Frieza, until the latter would be tired out. Once Frieza has no more stamina, then Vegeta would kill him. XD

But honestly, that was the comedic idea I thought of. In all seriousness, I was thinking maybe Vegeta underestimated Frieza, and thought immortality would assure his victory. He probably assumed he was near equal to, if not slightly weaker than Frieza.

[LuckyCat]

Initially he just wanted to be able to fight forever (Saiyan Saga), then when he realized that Freeza took his idea, he decided the only way he could ever rid himself of Frieza is to get the wish himself first.

[TheGreatness25]

I'm thinking that him being in a state where he WOULD die would work for zenkai. But then again, Freeza could just rip his head off and toss it into a body of water never to be seen or heard from again. Stupidity is what made him believe that immortality could defeat Freeza.

[Rocketman]

Vegeta was the second most powerful being in the universe. He just didn't realize how big of a gap there was between second and first.

[Blade]

Vegeta was the second most powerful being in the universe. He just didn't realize how big of a gap there was between second and first.

Perhaps in his own estimations, but even within Freeza's ranks, before the events on Namek he was well and truly bettered by the Ginyu Force (perhaps Guldo aside), Zarbon and Dodoria. Even post-Zenkai strength increases on Namek, he was some way behind Goku - and he knew as much.

Whilst he underestimated the gulf between Freeza's strength and his own, he always knew it was there.

[Rocketman]

Perhaps in his own estimations, but even within Freeza's ranks, before the events on Namek he was well and truly bettered by the Ginyu Force (perhaps Guldo aside), Zarbon and Dodoria. Even post-Zenkai strength increases on Namek, he was some way behind Goku - and he knew as much.

Whilst he underestimated the gulf between Freeza's strength and his own, he always knew it was there.

Oozaru Vegeta was 180,000, well beyond Ginyu and three times higher than the rest of the Force.

[Blade]

Perhaps in his own estimations, but even within Freeza's ranks, before the events on Namek he was well and truly bettered by the Ginyu Force (perhaps Guldo aside), Zarbon and Dodoria. Even post-Zenkai strength increases on Namek, he was some way behind Goku - and he knew as much.

Whilst he underestimated the gulf between Freeza's strength and his own, he always knew it was there.

Oozaru Vegeta was 180,000, well beyond Ginyu and three times higher than the rest of the Force.

But he was also slow and ungainly. If that transformation would have been sufficient to topple Freeza's entire array of henchmen, he would have done so long before Namek.

[Rocketman]

But he was also slow and ungainly. If that transformation would have been sufficient to topple Freeza's entire array of henchmen, he would have done so long before Namek.

No, he wasn't slow at all, Goku says so. And if Vegeta had done that before Namek, he knows Freeza would've killed him.

[Blade]

he knows Freeza would've killed him.

And that stopped him how exactly on Namek when his only backup was Kuririn and Gohan?

Tail or no tail, on Namek he ran from Ginyu like his life depended on it. The guy put the fear of God into him. If the Oozaru form was a legitimate embodiment of a power level of 180'000, without drawbacks, pre-Namek, the Earth would have been toast.

[Rocketman]

And that stopped him how exactly on Namek when his only backup was Kuririn and Gohan?

It didn't, because he had the Dragonballs/immortality to aim for.

[fadeddreams5]

Oozaru Vegeta vs Ginyu Force would be toast; he has a giant weak spot. Burter alone would defeat him using his sheer speed. If not, Guldo can step in and freeze time long enough to cut off his tail. Free.

[goku the krump dancer]

I don't remember Guldo's time freeze being selective. When he froze time it seemed as if EVERYTHING in that general vicinity if not everything period was frozen in place.

[Blade]

And that stopped him how exactly on Namek when his only backup was Kuririn and Gohan?

It didn't, because he had the Dragonballs/immortality to aim for.

Guru had already died, as far as he was concerned his chance had gone.

[Rocketman]

Guru had already died, as far as he was concerned his chance had gone.

Well by THAT point he's already zenkai'd his way past his old maximum as an Oozaru and believes that he's Freeza's equal, or close enough that the Earthlings can tip the scales.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I don't remember Guldo's time freeze being selective. When he froze time it seemed as if EVERYTHING in that general vicinity if not everything period was frozen in place.

Just give Guldo a sword and he could cut off Vegeta's tail while time is frozen. If Yajirobe could do it...

[Hellspawn28]

If Vegeta becomes immortal then how would that play apart in Trunks and Cell's timeline if he becomes good after the Namek saga.

[Blade]

Guru had already died, as far as he was concerned his chance had gone.

Well by THAT point he's already zenkai'd his way past his old maximum as an Oozaru and believes that he's Freeza's equal, or close enough that the Earthlings can tip the scales.

Nah, I'm not convinced at all by your arguments. He basically stood around shaking in his boots whilst Piccolo fought Freeza, and had Krillin maim him for a Zenkai as a final gambit. Whilst he thought at the time it might work, I think it's fairly clear that once Freeza reached his final form, he knew he didn't have a chance. From there on in he knew he was pissing into the wind, he was running on pure pride.