Official DBZ 2015 Movie Power Discussion: "Resurrection F"

[supercat]

I was going off the bare minimum, of course it's highly possible first form Freeza is stronger than SSJ3 Goku. At a minimum Freeza's final form would be 18,000x stronger than Base Gohan. That's a lot stronger than SSJ3 Goku. But like I said. This is the bare minimum. I was also assuming that Base Gohan could possibly still be higher than SSJ3 Goku because of the Rou Kaioshin power-up. But I've yet to see the movie or form a real opinion on how strong Gohan is here.

You know, I wonder if Gohan never actually lost his Elder Kai power up. I don't know the exact context, but if Gohan really indicated that he thinks he could turn SSJ, could this perhaps mean that he thinks he could do so by pushing past his Ultimate base form? I mean, he's never used SSJ after the Elder Kai power up right? Maybe Frieza's power was so frightening that he felt his Ultimate form just won't cut it, and that he needs to go SSJ. However, could it be that since he hasn't gone SSJ in so long, he wasn't sure if he could still access the transformation?

[Hitiro]

You know, I wonder if Gohan never actually lost his Elder Kai power up. I don't know the exact context, but if Gohan really indicated that he thinks he could turn SSJ, could this perhaps mean that he thinks he could do so by pushing past his Ultimate base form? I mean, he's never used SSJ after the Elder Kai power up right? Maybe Freeza's power was so frightening that he felt his Ultimate form just won't cut it, and that he needs to go SSJ. However, could it be that since he hasn't gone SSJ in so long, he wasn't sure if he could still access the transformation?

Well, he did use it to turn Goku into a SSJGod in BoG.

[Kaboom]

Doesn't the "I think I can still go Super Saiyan" part from Gohan happen before Freeza and his forces arrive on Earth, and thus before Freeza displays his improved power? If so, then if anything it would serve to just reinforce the "base Saiyans aren't quite stronger than 100% Freeza" revelation from Battle of Gods.

[supercat]

You know, I wonder if Gohan never actually lost his Elder Kai power up. I don't know the exact context, but if Gohan really indicated that he thinks he could turn SSJ, could this perhaps mean that he thinks he could do so by pushing past his Ultimate base form? I mean, he's never used SSJ after the Elder Kai power up right? Maybe Freeza's power was so frightening that he felt his Ultimate form just won't cut it, and that he needs to go SSJ. However, could it be that since he hasn't gone SSJ in so long, he wasn't sure if he could still access the transformation?

Well, he did use it to turn Goku into a SSJGod in BoG.

I never really got how that happened. My fan based theory on that was that the ritual or process itself somehow triggered Gohan to go SSJ.

The theory of Gohan being able to go SSJ all along would work, except he probably would have used it against Buutenks when things got ugly. Also, didn't Elder Kai indicate Gohan needed to power up like he would if he wanted to go SSJ? I guess that could be viewed in 2 ways:

- Gohan can no longer go SSJ, but is possibly able to access his utmost potential while enjoying the benefits of his base form.

- Gohan can still go SSJ, but perhaps, the multiplier was no longer as large as it once was, and he was possibly able to tap into a power almost as strong as his SSJ forms while only in base form. Therefore, he didn't see the point of straining himself to go SSJ. This could explain why he didn't transform against Buutenks, as the strain of the transformation itself could have done more harm than good, with power increase being negligible.

[Hitiro]

I never really got how that happened. My fan based theory on that was that the ritual or process itself somehow triggered Gohan to go SSJ.

The theory of Gohan being able to go SSJ all along would work, except he probably would have used it against Buutenks when things got ugly. Also, didn't Elder Kai indicate Gohan needed to power up like he would if he wanted to go SSJ? I guess that could be viewed in 2 ways:

- Gohan can no longer go SSJ, but is possibly able to access his utmost potential while enjoying the benefits of his base form.

- Gohan can still go SSJ, but perhaps, the multiplier was no longer as large as it once was, and he was possibly able to tap into a power almost as strong as his SSJ forms while only in base form. Therefore, he didn't see the point of straining himself to go SSJ. This could explain why he didn't transform against Buutenks, as the strain of the transformation itself could have done more harm than good, with power increase being negligible.

I'm not sure really. I thought you had to be a SSJ to complete the ritual but according to the dialogue all it needs is 6 regular Saiyan's. So I don't think the ritual triggered the transformation.

[supercat]

I never really got how that happened. My fan based theory on that was that the ritual or process itself somehow triggered Gohan to go SSJ.

The theory of Gohan being able to go SSJ all along would work, except he probably would have used it against Buutenks when things got ugly. Also, didn't Elder Kai indicate Gohan needed to power up like he would if he wanted to go SSJ? I guess that could be viewed in 2 ways:

- Gohan can no longer go SSJ, but is possibly able to access his utmost potential while enjoying the benefits of his base form.

- Gohan can still go SSJ, but perhaps, the multiplier was no longer as large as it once was, and he was possibly able to tap into a power almost as strong as his SSJ forms while only in base form. Therefore, he didn't see the point of straining himself to go SSJ. This could explain why he didn't transform against Buutenks, as the strain of the transformation itself could have done more harm than good, with power increase being negligible.

I'm not sure really. I thought you had to be a SSJ to complete the ritual but according to the dialogue all it needs is 6 regular Saiyan's. So I don't think the ritual triggered the transformation.

What I meant was that the ritual or the process itself was actually what could have involuntarily enabled Gohan's body to go SSJ. I don't have an explanation for this as it's just a theory, but it could be that because Goku needed the max power embedded within each Saiyan, the ritual naturally drew that max power out of Gohan in the form of SSJ.

[Hugo Boss]

Doesn't the "I think I can still go Super Saiyan" part from Gohan happen before Freeza and his forces arrive on Earth, and thus before Freeza displays his improved power? If so, then if anything it would serve to just reinforce the "base Saiyans aren't quite stronger than 100% Freeza" revelation from Battle of Gods.

It happens when they are in front of the army. Piccolo and Gohan already felt Freeza's ki when he was heading to North City, but the remark of his improved power really came after Gohan said he can transform into Super Saiyan. Granted Bulma made a remark about Gohan being one capable of defeating the former Freeza.

What I meant was that the ritual or the process itself was actually what could have involuntarily enabled Gohan's body to go SSJ. I don't have an explanation for this as it's just a theory, but it could be that because Goku needed the max power embedded within each Saiyan, the ritual naturally drew that max power out of Gohan in the form of SSJ.

Maybe in the script it's said the 5 Saiyans transformed into Super Saiyan.

[dbgtFO]

So about the 1.3 million...
Anyone here think Toriyama might have got a little too inspired by the [F] song and thought that Freeza at full power was 530,000, instead of the much greater than battle power 1 million in the manga?
The song does draw quite a bit of attention to Freeza having a battle power of 530,000 after all.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Quite possible. Although I'd figure he would think Freeza needed more than a roughly 2.5x boost.