Which Trunks is the strongest?

[Hugo Boss]

I can't see what makes GT Trunks so impressive that people compare him to the likes of Majin Boo. Isn't he supposed to be weaker than his kid self? Didn't he said in an episode where they were fighting a whip that he did slacked off?

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Hitiro, is Mecha Freeza more powerful than normal Freeza? For him to know he's powered-up, wouldn't he logically be able to feel his power?

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

I can't see what makes GT Trunks so impressive that people compare him to the likes of Majin Boo. Isn't he supposed to be weaker than his kid self? Didn't he said in an episode where they were fighting a whip that he did slacked off?

Well, like I said, Enraged Pan was strong enough to knock down Rild (comparable to at least some Buu), and Trunks wasn't entirely sure she was stronger than him, so take that how you will.

There's also Super Saiyan Goten giving trouble to Base Gohan (stronger than his Z self), and I assume Trunks and Goten are still comparable to each other throughout GT, meaning they got a huge hax despite barely training.

Against Mutchi, I believe he said he could've trained harder, so it's possible he just didn't train as hard as he was supposed to. (I'm on my phone, so I can'y check now)

I also think it's implied Trunks grew a lot stronger in space, like Goku. All of the individual Sigmas were sent against Goku, and were confident, while having data on Goku's previous power, and Mu had also sensed Goku against Luud like I said, and was still confident in the Mega Cannon Sigma. Goku calls them nothing special to Trunks after defeating them, and it would seem OOC of Goku to call them nothing special if Trunks was as strong or weaker than them, as that would be very insulting. So perhaps Base (or SS) Trunks (M2) > SS Goku (BoGT / @ Luud)

[Hitiro]

Can you really not comprehend something so simple?

I'm saying there's no proof Goku has felt his current Super Saiyan 3 power. It doesn't matter if he could tell how strong it is, there's not proof he's actually felt it.

So if he calls Janemba the greatest Ki he's ever felt, it doesn't have to include a Ki he hasn't felt and just knows.

Like Super Saiyan Gotenks. Goku can tell how strong Gotenks is (enough to beat Fat Buu) based on what he's felt from fusion before, not from actually feeling Gotenks' Ki.

Sorry, I didn't understand what you were getting at. There is no need for that sort of attitude. If you're going to be like that then you should probably leave the forums.

Well I'll be the first one to say that I've smelled without knowing it. And I've had to have people tell me that I'm smelling. So Ki could be similar in that regard in that you can tell others Ki but yours can't be sensed. At least not in the way that way you would normally sense someone else's Ki. Therefore it is entirely fair to separate the two. I honestly don't see why you would refute the possibility that you can't smell yourself. I mean we hear our voices differently from other people too. And we only hear what they actually sound like if they are recorded. So even if we do sense ourselves in some way through our senses. It is highly possible we aren't going to sense ourselves in a way that others would. It's also just as possible that we can't sense ourselves like when you smell. I'm not claiming everyone can't smell themselves when they smell. But it does happen.

Point is, whether it's different from other's perception, you still can smell, hear, and feel yourself.

I just told you that I couldn't smell myself but others could. You're reading around my points here. There are plenty of articles about people not smelling themselves or places they are used to. It's because of the olfactory bulb, which is responsible for interpreting signals from your odor receptors. This is how you smell things. But this part of your brain is also responsible for determining threats.

In a nutshell, if there is no "threat" associated with a scent, your ability to detect that scent diminishes or is lost altogether. You become used to the odor, until you take a prolonged break from the particular scent in question.

You're also ignoring that Goku says SVB1 is the greatest Ki Goku's ever felt, not sensed. Goku was able to tell he's at half power when powering up for Karin. If he can't feel his own Ki, he can't know what percent he's at.

I'm able to tell when I throw a punch at half my strength. Does that mean I have some sort of magical Ki sensing ability? What about Freeza? He knew how much power he was outputting. So Freeza can sense his Ki now? This is a useless argument because we've already seen a character, who can't sense, able to vary his battle power and actually provide us with a percentage as to what his battle power is.

The fight being in the dark has a baring on comparing himself to Goku? Why? Goku could accurately judge the timing of his opponents moves in the dark just by feeling the change in air. It isn't ridiculous to think that Vegeta could use the same technique to judge the timing of Goku's moves and gauge where he places.

Because Vegeta can't see? Vegeta wasn't the one fighting or near the fight. Saying Vegeta felt the change in air and judged Goku is conjecture.

Why would Vegeta need to see? Goku doesn't need to. I don't see why it is conjecture when Goku literally tells us that he can perceive Yakons movements through the subtle flow of the air. This was also demonstrate as far back as pre-23rd Budokai where Popo demonstrated knowing what Goku was doing without even looking at him and Goku was a good several feet away from him. So I hardly think that it is conjecture.

And I'm not sure why he needs to compare Gohan's punch to Goku's. He would be comparing their punches to his own to gauge where he sits. If he wants to compare Goku and Gohan against each other he can use their Ki's to do that. Because he doesn't have the problem of comparing other people. Only himself to other people. Which as I pointed out can be rectified by determining movement among other things.

Vegeta hadn't seen Gohan fight, yet he compares himself to Gohan.

Vegeta saw Goku fight and compared Goku's battle power to Gohan's. So that shouldn't be a problem.

The fight is in the dark. Vegeta can't see anything. You're saying that one time he saw Goku kicked Yakon was enough for Vegeta to tell how strong Goku is, compare that to Gohan's Ki, and use that to determine how fast Gohan punches, and that's how he knows how strong he is compared to Gohan.

And when has seeing been an issue for the Z fighters? Vegeta could also probably use his Ki sensing to detect Goku's movements and determine how strong he is from that if he isn't relying on subtle air changes like Goku is. Which I honestly doubt he couldn't.

Hitiro, is Mecha Freeza more powerful than normal Freeza? For him to know he's powered-up, wouldn't he logically be able to feel his power?

Does that have to necessarily be feeling your Ki though? Goku himself, after training on the Kaio planet and after training in his ship on the way to Namek felt stronger. Also, Freeza can't sense Ki anyway, so how would he be able to tell if he had increased in power. I mean I trained for a trek to Mt. Everest's base camp and I felt that I was a lot fitter. That doesn't mean I'm sensing my Ki, right? I'm not saying that Freeza can't tell he's gotten stronger but it doesn't have to rely on sensing his Ki, right?

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

I think you missed mine and Turlast's point. There's a difference between sensing and feeling. Krillin after getting his potential unlocked is able to tell his power skyrocketed and how amazing his power is, which just shows he's feeling his own Ki. If Goku and Freeza couldn't feel their own Ki, how would they know that it's half?

[Hitiro]

I think you missed mine and Turlast's point. There's a difference between sensing and feeling. Krillin after getting his potential unlocked is able to tell his power skyrocketed and how amazing his power is, which just shows he's feeling his own Ki. If Goku and Freeza couldn't feel their own Ki, how would they know that it's half?

They don't need to feel their Ki to know they are at half. Just like I don't need to feel my Ki to know I'm only using half of my strength. I think you're placing too much on this. Kuririn is obviously going to notice the difference if his power skyrockets. He is going to feel it physically. He'll feel lighter, his vision will probably be increased, all of his senses will probably feel enhanced too. If you turn an old man into a young man he is going to physically feel the difference whether or not he has the ability to sense/feel Ki. Even if you want to say they can feel their Ki somehow you've basically contradicted your own point by saying there is a difference between feeling it and sensing it. So Goku would not be out of line to exclude Vegetto or himself when he is on about SBV being the strongest Ki he's sensed. Because as you claim sensing and feeling are different things. Therefore Goku would not include his Ki or Vegetto's Ki in a sensing statement because he doesn't sense his own Ki but feels it.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

They don't need to feel their Ki to know they are at half. Just like I don't need to feel my Ki to know I'm only using half of my strength.

There's a difference between effort and Ki level. Raditz who can't suppress was shown to put less effort into his attacks.

Goku is showing Karin 50% of his Ki. If Goku has no way of feeling his Ki, how does he knows it half, and not just a random not full-power level?

Also, you can know you're not using effort in an attack, but you can really calculate things like 50% or 70% in your head?

I think you're placing too much on this. Kuririn is obviously going to notice the difference if his power skyrockets. He is going to feel it physically. He'll feel lighter, his vision will probably be increased, all of his senses will probably feel enhanced too. If you turn an old man into a young man he is going to physically feel the difference whether or not he has the ability to sense/feel Ki.

I don't see how I'm placing so much into it? Krillin's amazed at his power. That's as simple as it gets really. I don't see him saying he feels amazed at how light he feels, the only time that's ever mentioned was after Goku trained in gravity. What is there saying his eye vision increased? How does that correlate with battle power?

Even if you want to say they can feel their Ki somehow you've basically contradicted your own point by saying there is a difference between feeling it and sensing it. So Goku would not be out of line to exclude Vegetto or himself when he is on about SBV being the strongest Ki he's sensed. Because as you claim sensing and feeling are different things. Therefore Goku would not include his Ki or Vegetto's Ki in a sensing statement because he doesn't sense his own Ki but feels it.

He says SVB1 is the greatest Ki he's ever felt, not sensed.

[Kaboom]

Why do I get the feeling that this conversation, whatever it's about, has just become a big back-and-forth of semantics?

What does this have to do with either version of Trunks?

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Hitiro, they can tell because it's their own power. Being able to sense is only useful in terms of gauging the other guys power. When it comes to themselves, all that's necessary is for them to understand their own capabilities. I don't believe this requires them to sense Chi.

Freeza can't sense Chi, but the Mecha upgrade gave him enough power for him to understand that he's a lot more powerful than before. He knows how much power he has, how much power he's using, and when he grows in power. That's more to do with him understanding himself, if anything. Gohan is confident in his ability to stomp Super Boo before the battle even begins. How would Gohan know this? Because he knows his newfound power is at a level that'll easily overpower someone like Super Boo.

When Goku's in the healing tank, he says that he might not be able to beat Freeza after sensing the power of his third form. The quote:

Goku: “Damn it...What’s happening…?! Freeza’s ki got stronger again! Now even if my body’s fully healed, I might not be able to beat him…What should I do?...I give up…”

After Goku heals, he feels the immense power he's gained and feels ready to take on the most powerful form of Freeza up to that point.

Goku: “Da-dammit…! Freeza’s ki has gotten stronger again…! What’s going on? I can’t tell at all…!”

Goku: “I’ve gotten strong! My power just keeps gushing forth…! Unbelievable…! And here I thought I was already about at my limits…This is enough to scare even me…”

He'd have to have a feel for his own power to come to that conclusion. When Goku arrives on namek, he knows his power is at a level where Reacoom, Jheese and Butta are no match for him. The quote:

Goku: "You can't win. I can tell that now."

He knows because what he's sensing from Reacoom isn't at a level capable of doing anything to him. Later, he can tell that Ginyu is going to be a tough opponent based on the power he's sensing from him.

When Vegeta arrives on the battlefield to see Piccolo power-up, he immediately realizes that the power he sensed from Piccolo was greater than his own. The quote:

Vegeta: “The battle power I sensed then really did surpass mine, as a Super Saiyan…I'm-impossible…He’s just a Namekian...”

He compared Piccolo's new power to his Super Saiyan.

Another example:

Future Gohan: “This time I’ve trained so that I wouldn’t get beaten. It’s your turn to lose now!”
No.17: “Our turn? …Heh heh heh… Sorry to disappoint you…but I didn’t even use half my power when we fought before.”

The Androids don't have Chi, but Gohan had an idea of #17's power based on their last battle. There's also #17 who seems to know what level of power he's using despite not being able to sense Chi.

Forget the idea of "Sensing your own Chi" for a moment and think of it as "Being able to understand your power and how it compares to others", since the latter is the main point here.

[Hitiro]

There's a difference between effort and Ki level. Raditz who can't suppress was shown to put less effort into his attacks.

What's the difference between using 50% of your strength and using 50% of your Ki? Raditz may not have the ability to suppress his Ki but the level of strength he outputs is 50% regardless. Just because Goku and others have found a way to suppress their Ki does not mean they are any different from Raditz in this regard. All they've managed is to find some other way to control the level of strength the exert.

Goku is showing Karin 50% of his Ki. If Goku has no way of feeling his Ki, how does he knows it half, and not just a random not full-power level?

If he outputs half then his body would react accordingly. It's the same with him being hit by that laser in FnF. There is a physical difference in using less or more Ki. The more Ki he uses the more durable he is and the more he is enhanced through speed, stamina, strength, etc. So if he can feel the change on his body from lowering or raising his Ki then why couldn't he gauge whereabouts his Ki is?

Also, you can know you're not using effort in an attack, but you can really calculate things like 50% or 70% in your head?

Goku says that was about half of his power. He never actually gave a number unlike Freeza. But yeah, I could more or less gauge how much strength I'm exerting. I can use half or 3 quarters of my strength. It may not be dead on half or 3 quarters but I have some level of control.

I don't see how I'm placing so much into it? Krillin's amazed at his power. That's as simple as it gets really. I don't see him saying he feels amazed at how light he feels, the only time that's ever mentioned was after Goku trained in gravity. What is there saying his eye vision increased? How does that correlate with battle power?

Kuririn is on about the whole experience of his power increase. That is why. He is going to feel more than just light with the power increase. Everything will be enhanced. Whereas before Nappa would have seemed too fast for his perception now that his Ki has sky-rocketed that isn't going to be the case, is it? The same with Vegeta after receiving his Zenkai. Do you not recall he was the only one who could see the Freeza's death beams until Goku showed up? He couldn't possibly manage that when his battle power was lower. Even Piccolo notes that his ability must have increased a lot because he was aware of Freeza's death beams.

Chapter: 305 (DBZ 111), P9.4, P10.1
Context: as fourth form Freeza outclasses Piccolo and co.
Kuririn: “A-again…I couldn’t see his movements or the attack…”
Piccolo: “Ve-Vegeta saw it…! W-why?...Has his ability really gone up that much…!?”

So if everything enhances you're going to notice a difference. It's like the Spiderman movies where Peter Parker needed glasses originally but then he gained more than 20:20 vision. And he felt physically amazing from the power-up. He could tell he was much better than he was before.

He says SVB1 is the greatest Ki he's ever felt, not sensed.

Then you're saying that they aren't different things now? Which is it? Are they different things or not? Because you just told me that there is a difference between feeling and sensing. Yet here you are telling me there isn't. This was in response to trying to make up a reason as to why Freeza could control his Ki without having the ability to sense Ki. It's either they are different things, in which Freeza can feel his Ki, but not sense Ki. Or they are the same thing and Freeza can't do it at all. So please make up your mind.

Forget the idea of "Sensing your own Chi" for a moment and think of it as "Being able to understand your power and how it compares to others", since the latter is the main point here.

Which is what I was advocating from the beginning. Which leads me back to the whole point that Goku would not include himself or Vegetto in a statement about the strongest Ki he has ever sensed/felt. Because Goku isn't feeling or sensing his Ki. He is just able to understand his power compared to others. Like you said. Therefore there is no place for him or Vegetto in the statement about SBV1.

Why do I get the feeling that this conversation, whatever it's about, has just become a big back-and-forth of semantics?

What does this have to do with either version of Trunks?

I believe this was to do with where GT Trunks sat in power if you were to compare the enemies had come into the story. By saying SBV1 is unequivocally higher than Vegetto and that the other villains are something like Boohan level then GT Trunks would have to be much stronger than his EoZ self. I just came in to clarify Darkprince's point.

[Hugo Boss]

I assume Trunks and Goten are still comparable to each other throughout GT, meaning they got a huge hax despite barely training.

[...]

I also think it's implied Trunks grew a lot stronger in space, like Goku.

My problem with this argument is how Goten magically gets stronger when he is dating girls, while Trunks at least fights space thugs.

We've discussed the other points and made up our minds, I guess.

[Mac]

I wonder how strong Time Patrol Trunks is supposed to be. Does he even train anymore?

Probably, he can't be any more of a disgrace then Current Gohan.

[supercat]

I wonder how strong Time Patrol Trunks is supposed to be. Does he even train anymore?

Probably, he can't be any more of a disgrace then Current Gohan.

I don't get why Gohan (FnF) has to receive so much hate. I feel there hasn't been any real indication that he's lost as much power as many fans seem to automatically assume.

[fadeddreams5]

I wonder how strong Time Patrol Trunks is supposed to be. Does he even train anymore?

Probably, he can't be any more of a disgrace then Current Gohan.

I don't get why Gohan (FnF) has to receive so much hate. I feel there hasn't been any real indication that he's lost as much power as many fans seem to automatically assume.

He had doubts he could even go SSJ after not training for a year, and was one-shotted by 1st form Frieza. It's a major disgrace, especially given who we're talking about here. >_>;

Oh, and let's not forget how much hate GT got for disregarding Gohan's mystic form and giving him the boot in favor of Goku. What they did in F is a spit in the face to fans of the character.

[supercat]

He had doubts he could even go SSJ after not training for a year, and was one-shotted by 1st form Freeza. It's a major disgrace, especially given who we're talking about here. >_>;

Oh, and let's not forget how much hate GT got for disregarding Gohan's mystic form and giving him the boot in favor of Goku. What they did in F is a spit in the face to fans of the character.

Barring GT from this particular discussion, the few things that made Gohan look bad could be viewed from a subjective standpoint in my opinion.

His doubts about going SSJ doesn't necessarily have to be a result of him losing power. It could simply be that because he hasn't consistently been relying on his ability to transform, the concept itself could have been rusty. The whole thing with him going SSJ in BoG could have been because the ritual itself actually involuntarily drew the SSJ form out of him. However, this is all speculation at this point.

Getting one-shotted by First Form Frieza (after training) doesn't mean much, assuming how powerful Frieza has gotten. In any case, I believe he was in his base form when this happened. Additionally, it seems pretty likely that First Form Frieza is more or less around SSJ3 / Kid Buu tier at this point. I doubt Piccolo would have made a remark about Frieza's power if he was merely around Cell or less.

Lastly, Gohan did one-shot Shisami who was able to rival Piccolo in battle. Before we go into the whole Shisami is Zarbon / Dodoria tier debate, I'd like to add that there was no real indication that Piccolo had gotten weaker. Considering the fact that the Namekian didn't abandon his training, I find it extremely unlikely for him to struggle against a Zarbon tier fighter. I'm more inclined to believe that Shisami did find some way to reach Piccolo / Cell Jr. tier.

At this point, everything is still up in the air. We don't have much information on where exactly each character stands in power, but I feel if we keep everything in-universe, there's still a chance Gohan isn't as much of a disgrace as people would think.

[fadeddreams5]

He had doubts he could even go SSJ after not training for a year, and was one-shotted by 1st form Freeza. It's a major disgrace, especially given who we're talking about here. >_>;

Oh, and let's not forget how much hate GT got for disregarding Gohan's mystic form and giving him the boot in favor of Goku. What they did in F is a spit in the face to fans of the character.

Barring GT from this particular discussion, the few things that made Gohan look bad could be viewed from a subjective standpoint in my opinion.

His doubts about going SSJ doesn't necessarily have to be a result of him losing power. It could simply be that because he hasn't consistently been relying on his ability to transform, the concept itself could have been rusty. The whole thing with him going SSJ in BoG could have been because the ritual itself actually involuntarily drew the SSJ form out of him. However, this is all speculation at this point.

Getting one-shotted by First Form Freeza (after training) doesn't mean much, assuming how powerful Freeza has gotten. In any case, I believe he was in his base form when this happened. Additionally, it seems pretty likely that First Form Freeza is more or less around SSJ3 / Kid Buu tier at this point. I doubt Piccolo would have made a remark about Freeza's power if he was merely around Cell or less.

Lastly, Gohan did one-shot Shisami who was able to rival Piccolo in battle. Before we go into the whole Shisami is Zarbon / Dodoria tier debate, I'd like to add that there was no real indication that Piccolo had gotten weaker. Considering the fact that the Namekian didn't abandon his training, I find it extremely unlikely for him to struggle against a Zarbon tier fighter. I'm more inclined to believe that Shisami did find some way to reach Piccolo / Cell Jr. tier.

At this point, everything is still up in the air. We don't have much information on where exactly each character stands in power, but I feel if we keep everything in-universe, there's still a chance Gohan isn't as much of a disgrace as people would think.

All of this is true, but the fact of the matter is he stated he didn't keep up with his training, implying he's weaker. Also, I believe Mr. Buu and Gotenks were specifically kept out of this fight because of their PL, something Roshi himself implies in his disappointment ("Well, at least we have Gohan! You've kept up with your training...right?"). The movie featured weaker characters against the mooks, including the weakened Gohan, to make it an even playing field, I guess.

My preferred scenario would be something like this:
- Piccolo, Tien, Roshi, and Krillin take on the 1000 soldiers, but Gohan has stayed behind looking for his gi--this was a silly little premise explored in the movie's blog.
- The gang do a great job against the army until Shisami and maybe some other elites step in and overpower them with the help of their numerous allies.
- This is when Gohan shows up and just one-shots the entire army instantly, knocking every single soldier out in one swoop. He then takes on 1st form Frieza.
- Frieza and Gohan fight on par with one another until Gohan gains the upper hand, infuriating Frieza and prompting him to go straight to his final form.
- In Frieza's final form, he does to Gohan what Gohan did to Cell. One punch to the gut, and completely bodies him, provoking absolute fear in everyone as they witness Frieza's frightening new strength.
- Goku and Vegeta show up.
- Goku fights him in his SSJ form, which would NOT be replaced by SSGSS. Instead, he draws out his god ki WHILE in his SSJ state to achieve the SSGSS form.
- Everything else goes as normal.

It was so simple to give Gohan fans what they wanted and remain consistent with the character's strength without changing anything major from the movie's script. This would also create more impact. But they didn't because, I assume, they wanted to feature a SSJ (who's not Goku or Vegeta) in the movie and give Goku the benefit of looking ~soooo cool~ in his base form instead.

[supercat]

He had doubts he could even go SSJ after not training for a year, and was one-shotted by 1st form Freeza. It's a major disgrace, especially given who we're talking about here. >_>;

Oh, and let's not forget how much hate GT got for disregarding Gohan's mystic form and giving him the boot in favor of Goku. What they did in F is a spit in the face to fans of the character.

Barring GT from this particular discussion, the few things that made Gohan look bad could be viewed from a subjective standpoint in my opinion.

His doubts about going SSJ doesn't necessarily have to be a result of him losing power. It could simply be that because he hasn't consistently been relying on his ability to transform, the concept itself could have been rusty. The whole thing with him going SSJ in BoG could have been because the ritual itself actually involuntarily drew the SSJ form out of him. However, this is all speculation at this point.

Getting one-shotted by First Form Freeza (after training) doesn't mean much, assuming how powerful Freeza has gotten. In any case, I believe he was in his base form when this happened. Additionally, it seems pretty likely that First Form Freeza is more or less around SSJ3 / Kid Buu tier at this point. I doubt Piccolo would have made a remark about Freeza's power if he was merely around Cell or less.

Lastly, Gohan did one-shot Shisami who was able to rival Piccolo in battle. Before we go into the whole Shisami is Zarbon / Dodoria tier debate, I'd like to add that there was no real indication that Piccolo had gotten weaker. Considering the fact that the Namekian didn't abandon his training, I find it extremely unlikely for him to struggle against a Zarbon tier fighter. I'm more inclined to believe that Shisami did find some way to reach Piccolo / Cell Jr. tier.

At this point, everything is still up in the air. We don't have much information on where exactly each character stands in power, but I feel if we keep everything in-universe, there's still a chance Gohan isn't as much of a disgrace as people would think.

All of this is true, but the fact of the matter is he stated he didn't keep up with his training, implying he's weaker. Also, I believe Mr. Buu and Gotenks were specifically kept out of this fight because of their PL, something Roshi himself implies in his disappointment ("Well, at least we have Gohan! You've kept up with your training...right?"). The movie featured weaker characters against the mooks, including the weakened Gohan, to make it an even playing field, I guess.

My preferred scenario would be something like this:
- Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Roshi, and Krillin take on the 1000 soldiers, but Gohan has stayed behind looking for his gi--this was a silly little premise explored in the movie's blog.
- The gang do a great job against the army until Shisami and maybe some other elites step in and overpower them with the help of their numerous allies.
- This is when Gohan shows up and just one-shots the entire army instantly, knocking every single soldier out in one swoop. He then takes on 1st form Freeza.
- Freeza and Gohan fight on par with one another until Gohan gains the upper hand, infuriating Freeza and prompting him to go straight to his final form.
- In Freeza's final form, he does to Gohan what Gohan did to Cell. One punch to the gut, and completely bodies him, provoking absolute fear in everyone as they witness Freeza's frightening new strength.
- Goku and Vegeta show up.
- Goku fights him in his SSJ form, which would NOT be replaced by SSGSS. Instead, he draws out his god ki WHILE in his SSJ state to achieve the SSGSS form.
- Everything else goes as normal.

It was so simple to give Gohan fans what they wanted and remain consistent with the character's strength without changing anything major from the movie's script. This would also create more impact. But they didn't because, I assume, they wanted to feature a SSJ (who's not Goku or Vegeta) in the movie and give Goku the benefit of looking ~soooo cool~ in his base form instead.

That's actually nicely put together! I really like the concept of Gohan wiping out the entire group of mooks with one blast. The only thing I would have liked to see is Piccolo contributing a bit more against some of the powerful elites.

As for First Form Frieza, I think it's very acceptable to keep him in this form during his brief fight with Gohan, as it further emphasizes just how powerful the tyrant has become. With that said, I would have loved to see a slightly longer fight where First Form Frieza is casually blocking Gohan's attacks with that infamous smile on his face. Throwing in some words of mockery and some arrogant gloating right before he one-shots the Saiyan could have also made things very intense.

I also assume they made Gohan SSJ because they wanted at least one SSJ with gold hair in the film.

[hyperbeing1]

That's actually nicely put together! I really like the concept of Gohan wiping out the entire group of mooks with one blast. The only thing I would have liked to see is Piccolo contributing a bit more against some of the powerful elites.

As for First Form Freeza, I think it's very acceptable to keep him in this form during his brief fight with Gohan, as it further emphasizes just how powerful the tyrant has become. With that said, I would have loved to see a slightly longer fight where First Form Freeza is casually blocking Gohan's attacks with that infamous smile on his face. Throwing in some words of mockery and some arrogant gloating right before he one-shots the Saiyan could have also made things very intense.

I also assume they made Gohan SSJ because they wanted at least one SSJ with gold hair in the film.

i have not seen the movie yet but based on what i heard and what i see from the trailers(and i am completely willing to admit that i am wrong in this) i believe that its mostly due to the fact the characters were mostly holding back so not to kill their enemies which in turn wasted more energy hopefully i can see the movie soon and actually provide a better answer when i actually see the movie.
anyway to answer the main question who is stronger future trunks or kid trunks. I am gonna compare the majin saga, special , and boz trunks since i seen more of that.
I am aware that trunks was supposed to be close enough to gohan that gohan admits he can be outstripped by him. And while i am aware of the whole gohan being weaker then he was at the cell saga but recently i am beginning to think he may have actually just been rusty then actually weaker. So in terms of power i believe that kid trunks initially had the upper hand. however seeing in special he seems to have gotten weaker since goku or vegeta have said they forgotten the basics and are making sloppy mistakes that novices would make would seem to imply that trunks has gotten a bit weaker along with rusty. and in boz trunks seems to have gotten weaker assuming he has continued to slack off. i believe this had made trunks rusty enough that future trunks is now able to hold up to him in power. personally i noticed how in the life of trunks and kid trunks they are shown to be a bit different future trunks had to work very hard to attain power and thus had very sharp fighting skills where as kid trunks was a prodigy who seemed to figure things out on the spot or quite easily i always found that interesting or am i mistaking in this view.

[buutenks]

Dont remember GT trunks showing anything special,so ill just count him out.

ssj kid trunks would proly be close to ssj adult gohan's level in the buu saga.While gohan did get somewhat weaker,i doubt he dropped so much.Now future trunks,strongest we have seen him was vs Perfect Cell with his Ussj powerup.So id say kid trunks is stronger.

based on what we seen and not what ifs.

[supercat]

i have not seen the movie yet but based on what i heard and what i see from the trailers(and i am completely willing to admit that i am wrong in this) i believe that its mostly due to the fact the characters were mostly holding back so not to kill their enemies which in turn wasted more energy hopefully i can see the movie soon and actually provide a better answer when i actually see the movie.
anyway to answer the main question who is stronger future trunks or kid trunks. I am gonna compare the majin saga, special , and boz trunks since i seen more of that.
I am aware that trunks was supposed to be close enough to gohan that gohan admits he can be outstripped by him. And while i am aware of the whole gohan being weaker then he was at the cell saga but recently i am beginning to think he may have actually just been rusty then actually weaker. So in terms of power i believe that kid trunks initially had the upper hand. however seeing in special he seems to have gotten weaker since goku or vegeta have said they forgotten the basics and are making sloppy mistakes that novices would make would seem to imply that trunks has gotten a bit weaker along with rusty. and in boz trunks seems to have gotten weaker assuming he has continued to slack off. i believe this had made trunks rusty enough that future trunks is now able to hold up to him in power. personally i noticed how in the life of trunks and kid trunks they are shown to be a bit different future trunks had to work very hard to attain power and thus had very sharp fighting skills where as kid trunks was a prodigy who seemed to figure things out on the spot or quite easily i always found that interesting or am i mistaking in this view.

It certainly could very well be that the Z-Fighters were holding back in hopes of not finishing off their opponents. However, the main thing that challenges the plausibility of this theory is the fact that it would likely be impossible for grunts with such low power levels to tire out powerful fighters like Piccolo and Gohan. Even if they came in groups of hundreds, because Piccolo / Gohan would only be using a mere fraction of their abilities / power, it seems extremely unlikely that they would finish the battle tired. Without seeing the actual battle myself, I wouldn't be able to accurately evaluate its specific aspects and/or how the outcome plays out for each fighter. Therefore, like many other things regarding this topic, it's all speculation.