Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more.
Yes, assuming Tagoma stays around Zarbon / Dodoria tier, Krillin would likely one-shot him with the utmost ease.
As for Shisami vs Piccolo, assuming they are completely on par with each other in terms of power, I feel it can go either way. If the battle drags on long enough, as long as he doesn't have a slight disadvantage in power, I could see the Namekian using his superior battle sense and knowledge to secure the victory.
If Base Gohan distracts Shisami with a ki blast, that would be the end for the bull looking monster, as Piccolo would use this opportunity to trash him with a Makankosappo.
Bullza wrote:SSJ3 Vegito vs Freeza in his Final (not Golden) Form.
Vegetto one shots.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Bullza wrote:SSJ3 Vegito vs Freeza in his Final (not Golden) Form.
I assume this is SSJ3 Vegito from the Buu saga, which is implied to be weaker than Beerus, and final form Frieza from F.
Tough call honestly. It's never really stated if Base Goku from F is the same strength as SSJG Goku or not. If so, then I have Frieza winning this. If not, SSJ3 Vegito probably wins.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
Chou_Gohan wrote:Raging SSjin 2 Vegeta (BoG) vs Metal Rildo
That raging mode is incredibly temporary. Rildo will annihilate him afterwards. IIRC, Rildo also has regenerative powers thanks to his metal absorption.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
Chou_Gohan wrote:Raging SSjin 2 Vegeta (BoG) vs Metal Rildo
That raging mode is incredibly temporary. Rildo will annihilate him afterwards. IIRC, Rildo also has regenerative powers thanks to his metal absorption.
Well yes, if the boost is temporary, then unless Vegeta one-shots Rildo (which would be difficult) he most likely won't come out victorious. However, if the boost lasts longer or Vegeta is able to sustain it long enough to dish out some major damage, I don't think Rildo has much of a chance.
Chou_Gohan wrote:Raging SSjin 2 Vegeta (BoG) vs Metal Rildo
Rildo wrecks Vegeta.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Doctor. wrote:SSJ Gohan (F) vs SSJ Gohan (post Z-Sword training)
SSJ Gohan (F) vs SSJ Gohan (Cell Games)
SSJ Gohan (F) vs SSJ Gohan (start of Boo arc)
SSJ Gohan (F) vs SSJ Gohan (first transformation)
How low can you go
SSJ Gohan (post Z-Sword training) wins. He trained.
SSJ Gohan (Cell Games) wins. He's competent.
SSJ Gohan (start of Buu arc) wins. They're both losers, but one can still go SSJ2 after 7 years of no training. The other lost his mystic powers after 1-2 years, and doesn't even know if he can still go SSJ.
SSJ Gohan (F) beats SSJ Gohan (first transformation). The latter cannot control the form yet. Still, he has more heart than the former, and may come out on top with a rage boost.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
Doctor. wrote:SSJ Gohan (F) vs SSJ Gohan (post Z-Sword training)
SSJ Gohan (F) vs SSJ Gohan (Cell Games)
SSJ Gohan (F) vs SSJ Gohan (start of Boo arc)
SSJ Gohan (F) vs SSJ Gohan (first transformation)
How low can you go
SSJ Gohan (ROF) loses in all those match ups, excluding the one against SSJ Gohan when he first transformed.
Conclusion: It sucks to be a Gohan fan right now.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
