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supercat wrote:Goku's Spirit Bomb (used against Kid Buu) - Gauntlet
Goku starts off as SSJ3, and could give the Spirit Bomb a push with all of his SSJ3 strength.
Dodging the attack is not allowed, it must be taken head-on, who survives? Who would be able to send it flying back at Goku?
How well can Goku do if he's only SSJ2?
Super Buu (no one absorbed)
2 Kid Buus
Janemba - Final Form
Hirudegarn - Final Form
Buutenks
Buuhan
50 Fat Buus
Rildo - Final Form
Final Form Freeza -FnF (not Golden Freeza)
Neither of them can send it back as they are all evil.
From Gotenks-Buu onwards everyone survives, except the Fat Buus, who all get evaporated.
TheGmGoken wrote:Mystic Gohan vs 1st Form Freeza post training
Cell trains and gets a upgrade similar to Freeza's and Goku on Namek. He takes on GT and recent movies. How far?
- Ultimate Gohan one shots Freeza
- Cell doesn't beat anyone SSJGSSJ Goku/Vegeta or higher
supercat wrote:Goku's Spirit Bomb (used against Kid Buu) - Gauntlet
Goku starts off as SSJ3, and could give the Spirit Bomb a push with all of his SSJ3 strength.
Dodging the attack is not allowed, it must be taken head-on, who survives? Who would be able to send it flying back at Goku?
How well can Goku do if he's only SSJ2?
Super Buu (no one absorbed)
2 Kid Buus
Janemba - Final Form
Hirudegarn - Final Form
Buutenks
Buuhan
50 Fat Buus
Rildo - Final Form
Final Form Freeza -FnF (not Golden Freeza)
Everyone from Buutenks and above tanks that Genki Dama
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Fat Janemba (my avatar) vs Mr Buu (i.e. split from his evil counterpart)
First form Frieza (F) vs Fat Buu (i.e. with evil counterpart intact) <-- Both managed to one-shot SSJ Gohan.
Oozaru Vegeta (saiyan saga) vs Zarbon (transformed)
Hirudegarn (1st form) vs Burning/God Gundam, Wing Zero, Voltron, Big O, and the MMPR Ultrazord
Hirudegarn (final form) vs Kid Buu
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
fadeddreams5 wrote:Fat Janemba (my avatar) vs Mr Buu (i.e. split from his evil counterpart)
First form Freeza (F) vs Fat Buu (i.e. with evil counterpart intact) <-- Both managed to one-shot SSJ Gohan.
Oozaru Vegeta (saiyan saga) vs Zarbon (transformed)
Hirudegarn (1st form) vs Burning/God Gundam, Wing Zero, Voltron, Big O, and the MMPR Ultrazord
Hirudegarn (final form) vs Kid Buu
1. I think Fat Buu may able to win since he can regen and turn Freeza into candy. It would be a good fight though.
2. I think Zarbon might win. Vegeta on Namek was stronger then he was when he first fought Goku thanks to his zenkai boost after healing at Freeza's HQ.
3. Unless I'm wrong, neither of those mecha can blow up a Planet or anything higher. Hirudegarn would one shot them all. Even add Serpentera to the mix and Hirudegarn would still win. Serpentera can blow up planets, but he can die when Cole from Wild Force was able to run his bike through him from what I can remember.
4. Hirudegarn took out both Mystic Gohan, SSj3 Gotenks and SSj3 Goku. I do feel like Hirudegarn could win this with some effort. Kid Buu can still regen from dust, can absorb other people and turn Hirudegarn into candy.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Fat Janemba (my avatar) vs Mr Buu (i.e. split from his evil counterpart)
First form Freeza (F) vs Fat Buu (i.e. with evil counterpart intact) <-- Both managed to one-shot SSJ Gohan.
Oozaru Vegeta (saiyan saga) vs Zarbon (transformed)
Hirudegarn (1st form) vs Burning/God Gundam, Wing Zero, Voltron, Big O, and the MMPR Ultrazord
Hirudegarn (final form) vs Kid Buu
- Fat Janemba crushes Boo
- I'd say Freeza would take this. I have his first form in ROF at SSJ3 tier.
- Zarbon wins with ease
- Umm... I'm not that familiar with Gundam so... Hirudegarn?
- Hirudegarn scorches Boo with his flame breath
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Baby Vegeta wrecks Boohan. I have all the top tier characters post-Meta-Rilldo as beyond Boohan level.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Base Goku can one-shot Cell and Frieza at the same time, which makes him SSJ2 level. I'd assume as a SSJ, he's on par or above Mystic Gohan from DBZ. As a SSJ2, he should be Buutenks level. As a SSJ3, his power skyrockets further. And yet... he can't touch the first form of Bebi Vegeta. It's so incredibly one-sided.
So yeah, I say Bebi Vegeta beats Buuhan.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
TheGmGoken wrote:Mystic Gohan vs 1st Form Freeza post training
Cell trains and gets a upgrade similar to Freeza's and Goku on Namek. He takes on GT and recent movies. How far?
Ultimate Gohan crushes First Form Freeza post training.
After completing his training, I see Freeza in his first form more or less around SSJ3 / Kid Buu tier.
Can you further elaborate your question regarding Cell a bit more?
Sure! Seeing as Freeza trained for 4 months and got mighty strong. What if Cell did the same AND adding in his Saiyan zenkai genes(like Goku training for Namek).
TheGmGoken wrote:Mystic Gohan vs 1st Form Freeza post training
I have this form of Freeza at the same level as SS2s, so Gohan wins confortably. It's important to note that Freeza final form is suggested to have surpassed Boo Arc Goku.
Chou_Gohan wrote:Baby Vegeta 1st form vs Boohan
Baby is likely stronger than any of Boo forms when he possess Vegeta. It's that "major villain surpassing the previous ones" trend.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Eragon, with all of the Eldunari, runs the Dragon Ball gauntlet. How far does he get?
End of series Sesshomaru gets one free shot in on Buu. Can he take him out with his Bakusaiga?
The Black Knight from Fire Emblem Path of Radiance (not Radiant Dawn) vs the 21st Budokai contestants.
Alex from Golden Sun vs the 21st Budokai, and then the 22nd.
I'm only familiar with Sesshomaru. I think he wins. That sword can disintegrate any organic being and completely nullifies any regeneration. It's practically made to kill Buu.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
Inuyasha has some really broken powers, but they lack speed that DBZ characters have though. Assuming that Buu does not doge his attack then Sesshomaru's bakusaiga could do some serious damage to his regen powers. I'm judging off from memory since I haven't watch or read Inuyasha since 2006 or 2007.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Eragon, with all of the Eldunari, runs the Dragon Ball gauntlet. How far does he get?
End of series Sesshomaru gets one free shot in on Buu. Can he take him out with his Bakusaiga?
The Black Knight from Fire Emblem Path of Radiance (not Radiant Dawn) vs the 21st Budokai contestants.
Alex from Golden Sun vs the 21st Budokai, and then the 22nd.
Considering DB characters are notoriously bad against magic and telepathy, I'd say he solo's the entire DBZ-verse with all his dragons casually mindraping everyone. Or he says "die" and everyone dies.
Base Goten VS Krillin + Yamcha Potara Fusion[All during the Start of the Buu Arc. No flying or Ki blasts]
Base Goku (25th WMAT) VS Great Ape Trunks (Start of Buu Arc) -- No tail cutting or grabbing. Trunks is solely focused on attacking Goku
- Goten I'd give this to Krillin/Yamcha. I have both their power levels in the low millions, so potara fused together, they stomp Goten
- Oozaru Trunks literally crushes Goku
Zombie wrote:Now some new matches:
Gohan (After Dende heals him; No rage) vs Vegeta (After nap; Against 1st form Freeza)
Kami (Inside Hero) vs Tenshinhan (23rd TB)
- Vegeta beats the hell out of Gohan. He was nothing without his rage boosts at that time.
- Hmmm... this match could really go either way. I'd give this to Tien because he seems a bit more tactical in combat than Kami is.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
