Saiyans Living Through an Exploding Planet (RoF Spoilers)

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Re: Saiyans still can't tank 1 planet exploding on them ?

Post by rereboy » Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:41 am

KentalSSJ6 wrote:
I think you mean Goku with being underwater too long, and that actually never happens in the manga.
In the manga, Goku was shown to be on the water too long in the red ribbon arc and really needing to come up for air or he would drown.

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Re: Saiyans Living Through an Exploding Planet (RoF Spoilers

Post by Saiyan007 » Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:35 am

Let's get some things straightened out

1.Vegeta doesn't die from the planet exploding that was never stated at all

2.It was mentioned by Whis that Freeza survived becauase Freeza can survive in space with no air

3.Was it ever confirmed Vegeta actually died? The way I heard is that the movie doesn't even show you Freeza's body let alone Vegeta's just a comment on Whis saying Freeza still survived.

Which is weird seeing a regular human can survive 15 seconds on space before passing out.

Maybe Vegeta had a slow death and Whis didn't intervene as a lesson to Goku and reversed time.

But back to the question on hand if Earth was located in other world and it blew up with vegeta on it he wouldn't die since there's air all around him.

Freeza just did what he failed to do on Namek.

He was banking on the lack of air to kill the saiyans

Like someone said anyone stronger than a cut in half Freeza can survive a planet exploding it's just the vacuum of space that presents a problem

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Re: Saiyans Living Through an Exploding Planet (RoF Spoilers

Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:15 pm

Any Saiyan character stronger than 100% Final Form Freeza would most likely be able to survive a planet exploding but then would die due to lack of air.

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Re: Saiyans still can't tank 1 planet exploding on them ?

Post by Hitiro » Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:57 pm

shonenhikada wrote:
KentalSSJ6 wrote:Saiyans cant breathe in space.
Bardock storyline says otherwise.
The Bardock storyline does not suggest he was in space though. That can only be an assumption. From the way it is drawn it is highly likely that Bardock is in high altitude above Planet Vegeta. I would also assume a planet with 10 times Earth's gravity could have a larger atmosphere too.

Taken from a high altitude baloon:

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Re: Saiyans Living Through an Exploding Planet (RoF Spoilers

Post by Dayspring » Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:35 pm

Toriyama plays fast and loose with space asphyxiation. Goku went to the moon, if you recall.


And holy shit, that just reminded me that Jackie Chun accidentally killed the Rabbit gang.
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Re: Saiyans Living Through an Exploding Planet (RoF Spoilers

Post by buutenks » Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:36 am

Dayspring wrote:Toriyama plays fast and loose with space asphyxiation. Goku went to the moon, if you recall.


And holy shit, that just reminded me that Jackie Chun accidentally killed the Rabbit gang.
Sucks to be them i guess.

Saiyan007 wrote:Let's get some things straightened out

1.Vegeta doesn't die from the planet exploding that was never stated at all

2.It was mentioned by Whis that Freeza survived becauase Freeza can survive in space with no air

3.Was it ever confirmed Vegeta actually died? The way I heard is that the movie doesn't even show you Freeza's body let alone Vegeta's just a comment on Whis saying Freeza still survived.
Freeza survived,cool,i asked this question before many pages back and no one answered.

Well folks there is your answer,if freeza survived then I'm sure vegeta survived then suffocated to death like a pro.

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Re: Saiyans Living Through an Exploding Planet (RoF Spoilers

Post by dbgtFO » Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:00 am

Dayspring wrote:And holy shit, that just reminded me that Jackie Chun accidentally killed the Rabbit gang.
According to Toriyama in the Adventure Special, they just drift through Space, after the moon was turned into smithereens.

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Re: Saiyans Living Through an Exploding Planet (RoF Spoilers

Post by buutenks » Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:01 am

dbgtFO wrote:
Dayspring wrote:And holy shit, that just reminded me that Jackie Chun accidentally killed the Rabbit gang.
According to Toriyama in the Adventure Special, they just drift through Space, after the moon was turned into smithereens.
So they can tank moon busters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cool.

hehe,ye anyways why we shouldnt put to much thought into these things ^^.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:08 am

Dayspring wrote:And holy shit, that just reminded me that Jackie Chun accidentally killed the Rabbit gang.
They didn't die, they were drifting in space at most up until the Piccolo Daimao arc, according to the Dragon Ball: Adventure Special guidebook.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Saiyans Living Through an Exploding Planet (RoF Spoilers

Post by Dayspring » Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:20 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Dayspring wrote:And holy shit, that just reminded me that Jackie Chun accidentally killed the Rabbit gang.
They didn't die, they were drifting in space at most up until the Piccolo Daimao arc, according to the Dragon Ball: Adventure Special guidebook.
Good lord, that's even worse. :o
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Re: Saiyans Living Through an Exploding Planet (RoF Spoilers

Post by Hitiro » Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:22 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Dayspring wrote:And holy shit, that just reminded me that Jackie Chun accidentally killed the Rabbit gang.
They didn't die, they were drifting in space at most up until the Piccolo Daimao arc, according to the Dragon Ball: Adventure Special guidebook.
Would they not, I don't know, starve in the vastness of space? I recall them planting carrots on the moon to eat. With their food source gone they would die out there of dehydration and starvation.

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Re: Saiyans Living Through an Exploding Planet (RoF Spoilers

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:40 pm

Hitiro wrote:Would they not, I don't know, starve in the vastness of space? I recall them planting carrots on the moon to eat. With their food source gone they would die out there of dehydration and starvation.
Shouldn't this be the 3rd question you should ask? :P I mean, how do they breath in space? And how did they survive Kame-sennin's Max Power Kamehameha? The whole situation obviously involves gag-logic.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Saiyans Living Through an Exploding Planet (RoF Spoilers

Post by Hitiro » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:24 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Hitiro wrote:Would they not, I don't know, starve in the vastness of space? I recall them planting carrots on the moon to eat. With their food source gone they would die out there of dehydration and starvation.
Shouldn't this be the 3rd question you should ask? :P I mean, how do they breath in space? And how did they survive Kame-sennin's Max Power Kamehameha? The whole situation obviously involves gag-logic.
I know it's a gag scene which is why I don't treat it as an integral part of this discussion. But saying they survived the Kamehameha and are in space sounds a whole lot worse than surviving the Kamehameha in my opinion, lol.

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Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:53 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Dayspring wrote:And holy shit, that just reminded me that Jackie Chun accidentally killed the Rabbit gang.
They didn't die, they were drifting in space at most up until the Piccolo Daimao arc, according to the Dragon Ball: Adventure Special guidebook.
Oh, my God! :shock:

That's pretty frightening to even think about. :?

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Post by Tohru Adachi » Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:43 pm

Goku was hurt by a blast from Freeza's random henchmen, plus even if Vegeta didn't die he should have been able to fly to the moon or something given how fast they are. My guess is while the blast did not kill them, it DID knock them out thus allowing Vegeta to suffocate. Even then planet busting IS still a threat to them, albeit a small one. I don't think they can just eat Earth shattering attacks like that all day, they do make an effort to reflect and dodge or prevent attacks of that power. I don't think DBZ is quite as powerful as we made them out to be in the past, hell Goku, Freeza, and Vegeta didn't even relocate their battle from when they first met each other in the movie.
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Re: Saiyans Living Through an Exploding Planet (RoF Spoilers

Post by Saiyan007 » Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:41 pm

Tohru Adachi wrote:Goku was hurt by a blast from Freeza's random henchmen,
So you conveniently left out the part where Goku let his power level heavily drop?

plus even if Vegeta didn't die he should have been able to fly to the moon or something given how fast they are.
This would help because... :wtf:

There is no air on the moon for Vegeta to breathe
My guess is while the blast did not kill them, it DID knock them out thus allowing Vegeta to suffocate. Even then planet busting IS still a threat to them, albeit a small one. I don't think they can just eat Earth shattering attacks like that all day, they do make an effort to reflect and dodge or prevent attacks of that power. I don't think DBZ is quite as powerful as we made them out to be in the past, hell Goku, Freeza, and Vegeta didn't even relocate their battle from when they first met each other in the movie.
Okay why would the blast knock Vegeta out when he already tanked stronger attacks from Freeza?

There seems to be some lack of understanding with most people in the DB community regarding ki blasts and planet destroying power.

Anyone stronger than Saiyan Saga Vegeta can destroy the planet with a ki blast

It doesn't matter if the ki blasts are small and they fire them to the earth and it doesn't explode those attacks are heavily condensed and are very potent.

An example would be Beerus vs Goku in the underground cave when he was spamming his ki blasts yet the earth was still there would that make Beerus weaker than kidd buu who can launch a small blast and casually destroy the earth? No

Beerus tiny ki blasts would atomize buu even though they don't destroy the planet becuase of the potency behind Beerus attack so it doesn't matter if the characters don't say "he's going to destroy the planet with that attack"

Heck Goku KHH's in Fukkatsu No F prove this multiple time

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Re: Saiyans Living Through an Exploding Planet (RoF Spoilers

Post by Friezacooler » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:26 pm

Vegeta proply could survive in space, but he just had his guard down like Goku did with Sorbet I guess.

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Post by Hitiro » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:31 pm

Friezacooler wrote:Vegeta proply could survive in space, but he just had his guard down like Goku did with Sorbet I guess.
It probably wouldn't have mattered even if he did have his guard up. A planetary explosion would still throw him pretty far out into space. By the time they would have gotten to him I doubt they would have been able to save him.

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Post by Friezacooler » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:54 pm

I am sure that wouldn't have an affect on him and tank it standing same position. as he kicked, tanked, or punched away ki blast that proply had greater force then a planet explosion.

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Re: Saiyans Living Through an Exploding Planet (RoF Spoilers

Post by Hitiro » Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:11 pm

Friezacooler wrote:I am sure that wouldn't have an affect on him and tank it standing same position. as he kicked, tanked, or punched away ki blast that probably had greater force then a planet explosion.
Kiai's throw characters far and those really have no battle power ceiling as far as we've seen. Tenshinhan was literally pushing Semi-Perfect Cell with them despite the huge power difference. So yeah. There is nothing saying that a planetary explosion wouldn't throw them.

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