What is the lamest thing to come out of modern DBZ?

[Basaku]

They understood that it was the fastest, easiest and safest solution. They simply didn't want the fastest, easiest and safest solution. They wanted to challenge the androids. That has nothing to do with being smart or being dumb. Even Piccolo wanted to fight them, which is why he agreed with them.

Smart person would not bet the humanity's existance and Earth future on a selfish whim.

[rereboy]

Smart person would not bet the humanity's existance and Earth future on a selfish whim.

You are confusing morality and selflessness with intelligence.

[Doctor.]

They understood that it was the fastest, easiest and safest solution. They simply didn't want the fastest, easiest and safest solution. They wanted to challenge the androids. That has nothing to do with being smart or being dumb. Even Piccolo wanted to fight them, which is why he agreed with them.

Smart person would not bet the humanity's existance and Earth future on a selfish whim.

So... evil people can't be smart?

[Basaku]

Smart person would not bet the humanity's existance and Earth future on a selfish whim.

You are confusing morality and selflessness with intelligence.

I guess it depends whether you view morality as a display of high intelligence

So... evil people can't be smart?

Cunning sure. But trully smart/intelligent?

[Doctor.]

Cunning sure. But trully smart/intelligent?

Can they not...? Wanting the best for themselves instead of the best for everyone doesn't make someone an idiot, it makes them selfish but it has nothing to do with intelligence.

[rereboy]

I guess it depends whether you view morality as a display of high intelligence

Of course I don't. A psychopath with an IQ of 195 will always be WAAYYY more intelligent than the most moral and selfless person in the world who happens to have an IQ of 110. Intelligence is simply not connected to morality or selflessness (at lest not in the way you are suggesting).

[fadeddreams5]

He made that face in anime filler during the Inside of Boo filer with the slugs and shit.

That moment contrasted with how you expect Vegeta to react to something, so it was funny. Plus, the entire thing was extremely bizarre. lol.

He made the face when he lost rock paper cut against Goku.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAXE_vqt56g

No he didn't. He looked angry. Old Kai's reaction is priceless and appropriate given what they are doing during such a dire moment.

He also made the face when Boo electrocuted Vegeta.

Kid Buu was dancing around and mocking him, and Vegeta maintained a serious disposition throughout. The face he made while getting choked doesn't bother me. I'm not referring to generally silly expressions, especially not over-the-top ones, which I find hilarious when used right. That's always been common here and there in DBZ, especially in moments that are silly and provoke reactions from other characters.

I'm referring to this:
http://www.angelfire.com/nj2/animetutor ... efaces.gif

Okay, not exactly this. But my point is, those sort of expressions are being used more often to convey the emotions of the characters, particularly Vegeta and Frieza, who rarely used them before.

I am sorry but that is because Vegeta has changed as a character and doesn't have a stick up his butt anymore. If Modern DBZ was old DBZ reanimated (like what Kai should have been) then you may have a point but I feel you are just complaining for the sake of complaining here.

You do realize I made this topic for the sake of allowing people to complain about the new stuff in a civilized manner, right?

I've been rewatching DBZ thanks to Kai, and comparing with the modern stuff. This is something I notice and don't like. It's not a big deal, but I feel it adds to the fluff these movies already have (e.g. Frenemies who looooove food; cute plant people who take care of stoic saiyans; pacifist saiyans married to adorable aliens; pretty transformations that make user skinnier; etc.)

[Doctor.]

Most of those expressions in modern Dragon Ball are used during comedic scenes, too. Now whether or not you find them funny is on you, but the context is exactly the same, I'm not sure why you ignore it. "Surprised" reaction faces like some of the Vegeta ones you posted have always been apart of the series, too, along with Freeza's insane reaction faces as well.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Most of those expressions in modern Dragon Ball are used during comedic scenes, too. Now whether or not you find them funny is on you, but the context is exactly the same, I'm not sure why you ignore it. "Surprised" reaction faces like some of the Vegeta ones you posted have always been apart of the series, too, along with Freeza's insane reaction faces as well.

Agree'd. I really do not understand fadeddreams5 especially when we still have stuff like this:

Spoiler:

The way he is talking is as if Vegeta has a "goofy" face all the time, hence why I think he is complaining for the sake of complaining

[Doctor.]

Really, what's the difference between this and this or this (in fact, it's even more exaggerated in the last one). Context is exactly the same, Vegeta is surprised Beerus appeared in the first picture, Vegeta is surprised at Gohan's (?) powerlevel and the Ginyus arriving on Namek in the other two, I don't see a difference. Or the difference between this and this? Again, exactly the same thing, it's done for comedic effect, in the first he's surprised at Tarble's wife and the second of worms.

And in regards to Freeza, here's an example of a crazy laugh, quite similar to the Golden Freeza one you posted; and here's an example of those huge exaggerated eyes you were talking about. I think this is just a case of nostalgia blinding you or your distaste of new material making you nitpick stuff.

[fadeddreams5]

I see a difference between those and the stuff you compared it to. lol. Maybe I'm crazy or it's the drawing style.

Regardless, it's not something that's making me stomp my feet and hate the new stuff. Just a small pet peeve. The overall fluff is what I really don't like.

[Rocketman]

Gohan and Piccolo teaming up in the Tenkaichi 1 opening is the best representation either has gotten in the last 20 years. And that's pretty lame.

[mogi67]

I guess it depends whether you view morality as a display of high intelligence

Of course I don't. A psychopath with an IQ of 195 will always be WAAYYY more intelligent than the most moral and selfless person in the world who happens to have an IQ of 110. Intelligence is simply not connected to morality or selflessness (at lest not in the way you are suggesting).

Not necessarily. A psychopath will act in ways that are ultimately self-defeating and self-destructive

The person with a great IQ may be more clever, perhaps, but not necessarily more wise.

[fadeddreams5]

Wisdom, knowledge, and intelligence are three different things. =P

[rereboy]

Not necessarily. A psychopath will act in ways that are ultimately self-defeating and self-destructive

Huh? In what way? A psychopath is basically someone who has an inability to process empathy and care about about others. There are lots of people out there, very successful ones, who are like that. Many CEOs of big companies for example. Various psychopaths even mingle very well socially because they learn to fake all the appropriate social responses.

But, once again, that has nothing to do with intelligence. There are lots of people with, for example, autism and asperger that are "horrible" socially and alienate people all around them, and yet their intelligence is absolutely brilliant. Their social difficulties and all other kinds of difficulties that they might have don't erase their intelligence.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

rereboy I think you might be confusing sociopath with psychopath.

[rereboy]

rereboy I think you might be confusing sociopath with psychopath.

Not really. Definitions for both terms vary in literature but the gist of it is basically this:

Spoiler:

Traits of a Psychopath

Psychology researchers generally believe that psychopaths tends to be born — that it’s a genetic predisposition — while sociopaths tend to be made by their environment. Psychopathy might be related to physiological brain differences. Research has shown psychopaths have underdeveloped components of the brain commonly thought to be responsible for emotion regulation and impulse control.

Psychopaths, in general, have a hard time forming real emotional attachments with others. Instead, they form artificial, shallow relationships designed to be manipulated in a way that most benefits the psychopath. People are seen as pawns to be used to forward the psychopath’s goals. Psychopaths rarely feel guilt regarding any of their behaviors, no matter how much they hurt others.

But psychopaths can often be seen by others as being charming and trustworthy, holding steady, normal jobs. Some even have families and seemingly-loving relationships with a partner. While they tend to be well-educated, they may also have learned a great deal on their own.

When a psychopath engages in criminal behavior, they tend to do so in a way that minimizes risk to themselves. They will carefully plan criminal activity to ensure they don’t get caught, having contingency plans in place for every possibility.

Traits of a Sociopath

Researchers tend to believe that sociopathy is the result of environmental factors, such as a child or teen’s upbringing in a very negative household that resulted in physical abuse, emotional abuse, or childhood trauma.

Sociopaths, in general, tend to be more impulsive and erratic in their behavior than their psychopath counterparts. While also having difficulties in forming attachments to others, some sociopaths may be able to form an attachment to a like-minded group or person. Unlike psychopaths, most sociopaths don’t hold down long-term jobs or present much of a normal family life to the outside world.

When a sociopath engages in criminal behavior, they may do so in an impulsive and largely unplanned manner, with little regard for the risks or consequences of their actions. They may become agitated and angered easily, sometimes resulting in violent outbursts. These kinds of behaviors increase a sociopath’s chances of being apprehended.

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2 ... sociopath/

[ABED]

Many CEOs of big companies for example.

I find this conclusion to be questionable. I have read articles on this topic but never found them convincing.

[rereboy]

I find this conclusion to be questionable. I have read articles on this topic but never found them convincing.

Unless you actually have significant professional experience and background info on the issue, I don't see how your opinion is more sound than them. Not to mention that, apparently, the incidence of psychopathy among CEOs is about 4 percent, four times what it is in the population at large. Unless those numbers are outright wrong, I don't see what argument can be made against that notion.

[ABED]

<br abp="688">I find this conclusion to be questionable. I have read articles on this topic but never found them convincing.

<br abp="689"><br abp="690">Unless you actually have significant professional experience and background info on the issue, I don't see how your opinion is more sound than them. Not to mention that, apparently, the incidence of psychopathy among CEOs is about 4 percent, four times what it is in the population at large. Unless those numbers are outright wrong, I don't see what argument can be made against that notion.

Assuming if it's even true, many of the articles I've read talk about how it has something to do with how capitalism is structured and how it is a physical manifestation of psychopathy. Given how badly understood genuine capitalism is, I'm suspect right off the bat. Running a business well requires trust, so I don't see how lying is supposed to help facilitate that. I'm not going to just take someone's word on it. I'd like to read the material for myself and reach my own judgment. I don't like appeals to authority. I find this topic interesting, but it seems beyond the realm of DBZ.