Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[BlackCatScott]

Here's a look at the exclusive Golden Freeza funko pop available at SDCC this year. I want.

[Vegard Aune]

That's strangely adorable.

[supercat]

That actually looks really cool!

[ShadowWolf87]

But he also knew Freeza was so weak he couldn't even hurt him.

Except if Goku decided to power down so much (that even a random laser ring can almost kill him) in front of a still able to fight Freeza. Then, Goku becomes easy prey to a fast sneak attack by Freeza or anyone else.

It doesn't matter how strong or weak Freeza is if Goku decides to power down to a much inferior level to his in front of him. In that situation, instead of Sorbet attacking, what if Freeza just attacked the planet like he did with Vegeta later? What if Freeza managed to rapidly attack Goku with an unseen sneak, faster than Goku could power up again? It wouldn't even have to be powerful since Goku powered down so much.

Goku simply failed in caring about the lesson that has existed since the 21st tournament.

Except your cited example has literally nothing to do with that lesson. Freeza opting to blow the planet or Goku lowering guard because he didn't expect any threat other than what was right in front of him had nothing to do with whether or not there's "always a stronger opponent".

Heck, Goku straight-up dropped out of SSJ on Namek in the same scenario, at least here he kept his form.

[ShinGaijin]

Here's two new videos from FUNimation about Resurrection 'F'.Region unlocked !

Goku answers your questions ! : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLx2k97As4Q
Vegeta answers your questions !: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oDAylip7mI

Hey, wait a second...

Spoiler:

Josh "Kendamu" ? Hey, I've already heard that name somewhere... Congratulations man !

[ShadowDude112]

Here's two new videos from FUNimation about Resurrection 'F'.Region unlocked !

Goku answers your questions ! : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLx2k97As4Q
Vegeta answers your questions !: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oDAylip7mI

Hey, wait a second...

Spoiler:

Josh "Kendamu" ? Hey, I've already heard that name somewhere... Congratulations man !

I prefer Chris' answer to the Japanese perfromance to their own perfromance more than Sean. Sabat seems to understand what it means to use that more than Schemmel. I'm not saying Schemmel is bad, but he says he wants to own the role, but I would think it should have more to do with sounding like the person in the original lanuguage. I dunno. It's 2 AM, so I'll probably wake up later today and make a better post. But so far, Sabat's answer sits better with me.

[Mewzard]

I feel both answers are correct in their own way, or at least both have some validity. There is something to be said for trying to capture and convey the feel of the original source material (to a certain degree, I feel this is very important), but at the same time, if you're not going to put something special to your performance to make it your own...why even bother?

If every single James Bond after Sean Connery just tried to be Sean Connery's James Bond, they'd just blend together at best, and be inferior at worst. But every actor gave Bond a unique flair, despite being the same character, and that make it far more interesting. It's easier to care about each actor when they give you something special to remember.

[Super Saiyan Swagger]

If every single James Bond after Sean Connery just tried to be Sean Connery's James Bond, they'd just blend together at best, and be inferior at worst. But every actor gave Bond a unique flair, despite being the same character, and that make it far more interesting. It's easier to care about each actor when they give you something special to remember.

Nicely said. I totally agree.

[Sora Saiyan]

Re: Taking inspiration from the Japanese voices.

Judging from BoG it seems as though Schemmel has taken some inspiration from the Japanese version, maybe subconsciously going from that video. I found Schemmel was much better in BoG than in previous works, he had his own style and Goku's charm mixed in too.
Anyway, Sabat really does take inspiration from the Japanese version, and he's a really cool guy.

[buutenks]

You guys still on about goku getting severly wounded by the beam rifle/ring attack?

Freeza pretty much states that goku is naive and lets his guard down,that even a mere beam rifle can hurt him(these are freeza's words from the movie).

So goku got hurt and he learned not to let his guard down in the middle of a fight.That is good.

[Ajay]

If every single James Bond after Sean Connery just tried to be Sean Connery's James Bond, they'd just blend together at best, and be inferior at worst. But every actor gave Bond a unique flair, despite being the same character, and that make it far more interesting. It's easier to care about each actor when they give you something special to remember.

I think that's a bit of an apples and pears comparison. This isn't like Bond, where they're all unique incarnations of the character; each with their own flair appropriate to the film's content. This is an English adaptation of a pre-existing product. The character is there for you, your job is to adapt that into English authentically. You don't have to sound like a carbon copy of the original, but you shouldn't be ignoring what you're adapting from.

He's right, you definitely do need to give a culturally-appropriate performance, but I find he likes to stray a little too far from the character during more serious scenes. He's nailed that goofy side of him, so it's no surprise that that's the form he loves the most. His serious Goku still needs a bit more work, and I think that's really where he needs to take some cues from Nozawa.

From an actor's perspective, it definitely makes a lot of sense. You want to give your own performance, you don't want to be going into a booth and doing exactly what the Japanese cast did. I can't think of anything more mundane for an actor. However, I think there's a balance that needs to be struck. Sabat seems to get it, Schemmel seems a little too focused on his own interpretation, but I guess that's just the way he is, unfortunately.

Anyway, not really trying to be confrontational. I understand your point, I just don't think that's the best comparison, and kinda used it to weigh in with my own thoughts on the video.

[Mr.Judge]

There's really nothing to discuss here, the ring nearly took out SSGSS Goku which means it's something very extraordinary, unless you think Goku is secretly a weakling. And yes, Freeza did say it was a "mere laser cannon", but that's obviously a lie meant to mock Goku, unless, again, you think he's really a weakling.

there are actually many inconsistencies in the new movie. If only the Japanese Director, Screenplay Writer and Storyboard Artist interacted with DB fans, the DB fans would have rightly pointed out the inconsistencies which are being introduced in DB since BOG.

it is mostly because to keep Vegeta relevant, Goku is being brought down a level or so, just so Vegeta can be considered an equal to Goku when he was never in the race to begin with. In DB Super, Vegeta should be taken out from the story. Even the character of Gohan has been affected and his rage boost has been given to Vegeta, Gohan no selling Cell attacks is how Vegeta no-sells attacks from Golden Freeza. Both Characters(Goku and Gohan) are being subjected to ridiculous level of nerfing only to keep Vegeta relevant.

[VegettoEX]

The last thing I want is Toriyama being told by fans what he should do. If you have problems with inconsistencies and plot holes, Dragon Ball never was the series for you.

That's not to say I wouldn't mind someone within the studio(s) it/themselves maybe pointing out some stuff, but...

...

... OK, I'll be "that guy": I don't care about the strength stuff, so he can nerf/whatever anyone he wants at any time and I'm fine with it and laughing all the way to the fandom bank over it. I'd rather they concern themselves with in-universe time placements and such :/. That's the stuff that bugs me, because it's so easy to fix and generally has no relevance to the underlying story being told.

[fadeddreams5]

I don't recall DB (excluding movies and GT) ever being inconsistent as far as power levels go. It was probably one of, if not the most consistent shonen series in this respect. F and BoG are about the only "canon" products that have screwed with this. >_>

[Doctor.]

I'm not really sure HOW you can screw up power levels with a series like this, where everything is decided with how many transformations you have, but they managed to anyway...

[Lord Beerus]

I don't recall DB (excluding movies and GT) ever being inconsistent as far as power levels go. It was probably one of, if not the most consistent shonen series in this respect. F and BoG are about the only "canon" products that have screwed with this. >_>

The only really thing inconsistent with either of BOG and ROF was Vegeta's "rage boost" scene, which was meant to nothing more than a gag in the first place.

[Rocketman]

The only really thing inconsistent with either of BOG and ROF was Vegeta's "rage boost" scene, which was meant to nothing more than a gag in the first place.

Despite being by far the weakest active Z Dude, SS1 Vegeta does better against Billy than SS3 Goku, Mystic Gohan and Super Gotenks.

[fadeddreams5]

I don't recall DB (excluding movies and GT) ever being inconsistent as far as power levels go. It was probably one of, if not the most consistent shonen series in this respect. F and BoG are about the only "canon" products that have screwed with this. >_>

The only really thing inconsistent with either of BOG and ROF was Vegeta's "rage boost" scene, which was meant to nothing more than a gag in the first place.

- BoG has SSJ Gohan and Mystic Gohan, for one. Their little editing doesn't change that since he was still SSJ in the ritual.

- There was an "elite" mook who gave Piccolo, someone well above SSJ level, a hard time. No explanations over what makes this mook so special.

- Again, Gohan was a SSJ, and confirmed weaker, in F. No explanation why he lost his powers.

- Master Roshi, who should NOT be the same level as even Raditz and spent 50 years trying to master the kamehameha, fights against Frieza's army. Unless he did some off-screen gravity and RoSAT training, that makes no sense.

- Frieza's ridiculous jump of power because he's a "prodigy."

- And yeah, the rage boost crap. SSJ1 Vegeta became stronger than SSJ3 Goku, SSJ3 Gotenks, and Ultimate Gohan. You know, despite he's raged in the past and could not even scratch his enemies.

[Doctor.]

- BoG has SSJ Gohan and Mystic Gohan, for one. Their little editing doesn't change that since he was still SSJ in the ritual.

People keep throwing this around and I keep asking: What's the problem? Was it ever stated "You cannot turn Super Saiyan anymore"? No, you just assumed he couldn't. From my point of view, and I've always thought this, his ultimate state is just another form similar to Super Saiyan 3. Turning Super Saiyan just takes that boost away and gives him a smaller boost instead.

- Master Roshi, who should NOT be the same level as even Raditz and spent 50 years trying to master the kamehameha, fights against Freeza's army. Unless he did some off-screen gravity and RoSAT training, that makes no sense.

It doesn't make sense because...? You're assuming Freeza's army is strong, it's not, even Toriyama says so in the Volume F script. Raditz thought that Goku, at 300, could be useful for Freeza's, Freeza lost his best warriors on Namek AND on Earth, Gohan and Kuririn at 1,500 on Namek one-shotted two soldiers and Appule is a named soldier and only has 3,000.

[TheGmGoken]

Gotta make up for lost time since Toriyama dedecided not for them to appear in RF.

If they appeared as kids in ROF again then it would be just as much waste of time anyway. What's the point of seeing them doing exactly the same thing they've been doing since 20 years yet again, it's beyond tired at this point.

Transfered! Goten and Trunks was noticeably missing when I watched itit. Their absence made the movie a bit lackluster. Movie could had created the funniest gags with them too and great battle scenes with Gotenks.