The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Kamiccolo9]

Meta-Cooler (only one) Gauntlet

First Form Cell (before absorbing humans)
Android 18
Android 17
Piccolo (against 17)
Android 16
First Form Cell (after absorbing humans)

I'm one who believes in the: SS Goku (M6) > SS Goku (M5) > Base Goku (M6) Base Goku (M5) = SS Goku (Namek) hax, so I have Metal Cooler stronger than Final Form Cooler who I'd place around 2nd form Cell or so. That being said, I'd say even the initial Metal Cooler would take all of these fights handily.

Back when I did such things, I had M5 base Goku at 11 million, with an invisible 10x Kaio-Ken throughout the fight. That fit in pretty well with how his SSJ did against a 470 million Cooler as well.

[supercat]

Meta-Cooler (only one) Gauntlet

First Form Cell (before absorbing humans)
Android 18
Android 17
Piccolo (against 17)
Android 16
First Form Cell (after absorbing humans)

I think Cooler beats all of them except 16 and post absorption Cell.

Which Metal Cooler are we talking about, though? He powers up a few times throughout the movie.

I should have elaborated on it a bit more. Let's use all stages of his power ups.

-Initial Meta-Cooler (against Goku)
-After repairing himself
-After being defeated by Goku / Vegeta (if he even powered up at this point)
-Actual Cooler at the end

[Kamiccolo9]

Meta-Cooler (only one) Gauntlet

First Form Cell (before absorbing humans)
Android 18
Android 17
Piccolo (against 17)
Android 16
First Form Cell (after absorbing humans)

I think Cooler beats all of them except 16 and post absorption Cell.

Which Metal Cooler are we talking about, though? He powers up a few times throughout the movie.

I should have elaborated on it a bit more. Let's use all stages of his power ups.

-Initial Meta-Cooler (against Goku)
-After repairing himself
-After being defeated by Goku / Vegeta (if he even powered up at this point)
-Actual Cooler at the end

Well, any Metal Cooler is stronger than Super Cooler, who I have around 17/18 in strength. Cooler also OHKO'd, Kamiccolo, so I'd place the stronger ones around 16/Cell level. I don't think the actual Cooler at the end is anything special, so any of the people here could beat him. Goku and Vegeta were exhausted by that point.

[Kaboom]

Great Ape Future Trunks (Pre-ROSAT Androids Saga) VS Base Goku (25th WMAT) -- No blowing up of moons, tail grabbing/cutting. Future Trunks is solely focused on attacking Goku.

If this was Trunks during his first appearance, then Goku could take this. But this Trunks is easily several times stronger than that, and at Oozaru he's a little too much for Goku to handle without being allowed at least the Kaio-Ken.

Future Android 17 and 18 VS Great Ape SSJ Future Gohan (with two arms, just multiply his SSJ power level by 10, no GT Golden Great Ape or SSJ4 multiplier/logic)

Gohan becoming ten times stronger than he is as a Super Saiyan makes the Androids easy pickings for him (assuming he's got some amount of control, at least). I'm sure he wasn't THAT far behind them.

3rd Form Freeza vs Lord Slug
MSSJ Kid Gohan (w/ full resolve to fight and win) vs. SSJ Goten and SSJ Trunks (Post-RoSAT; no fusion)
Two Cell Jrs. vs SSJ Goten and SSJ Trunks (Post-RoSAT; no fusion)
Meta-Cooler vs Android 19 and Android 20
Dabura vs MSSJ Goku (Cell Games)
Bojack and Broly (2nd coming) Vs. Super Perfect Cell and Dabura (no spitting)
Super Vegito vs Freeza Final Form (F)
Buuhan vs Freeza Final Form (F)
Kid Buu vs Freeza First Form (F)
Shisami vs Imperfect Cell (post-absorptions)

Holy crap. *cracks knuckles*

— Giving it to Slug. I think at his strongest in Movie 4, he was right around equal in power to this version of Freeza, but as a Warrior-type Namekian, he's going to have other abilities and advantages that give him the edge.
— The kids get their butts whooped. It'd be easier than beating down two Cell Juniors at once, which I'm entirely confident Gohan could do without too much trouble.
— The Cell Juniors win. They're a little bit stronger, tougher, more tenacious, and if filler's any indication they've got a bunch of moves to use, too.
— Metal Coola wins. 19 and 20 start out a good chunk weaker than him already, and since I assume they can't absorb any ki from him to even the odds, it's all downhill for them.
— Flip a coin, 'cuz I think this could go either way. Goku's immensely skilled, but so is Dabra, who also has his magic tricks up his sleeves.
— I think Broli's a good chunk stronger than any of these guys, and without Dabra's spit ability as their one hope to neutralize him, I think Cell and Dabra are going down.
— I'm going to say Vegetto, only because I think there's probably a good power difference between Goku and Vegeta's base and SSGSS forms, and thus also between Freeza's true and golden forms, and I think Super Vegetto could very well squeeze in comfortably between that range.
— My gut tells me that Freeza can't quite win this one either. He might be on-par with Boo, but may not be able to overcome that pesky regeneration and such.
— This one Freeza can definitely win, at least.
— Assuming Shisami got himself up to Piccolo's general range, then he's quite far ahead of 1st-form Cell. BY 5+ years after Majin Boo, I'd say Piccolo is definitely well above the Cell Juniors' level, and probably closing in on Goku or Gohan at the Cell Games.

Alright here's one from me:
Manga Base Gohan (25th WMAT) VS Manga Great Ape Future Gohan (Two-armed, first appearance in the Manga) -- No blowing up of moons, no tail-cutting/grabbing, and Great Ape Future Gohan is bloodlusted and solely focused on attacking present Gohan

Teenage Gohan can win pretty easily. He's roughly twice as strong as his Great Ape future self by my made-up numbers.

Here's another one about Gohan:
Post Z-Sword SSJ2 Gohan vs Majin Buu (Vs Vegeta).

Gohan does moderately better than he did against Boo before, only by virtue of being at Super Saiyan 2 this time. But he still gets his butt kicked. Badly.

LSSJ Broly (2nd coming) vs Majin Vegeta
SSJ2 Kid Gohan vs SSJ Goku w/ energy of others (1st Broly movie)
Bardock (1st special) vs Tullece (w/o fruit)
Cooler (regular form) vs Lord Slug (young)

— Vegeta does better than Gohan did, but still probably loses. I consider M10 Broli to be between the SS2s and Fat Boo in power, though closer to the former. His durability seems like it's nothing to sneeze at, too.
— Gohan's able to withstand Goku's attacks until that intense but fleeting power dissipates. Then daddy is easy pickings.
— We actually have a halfway-official number for Tullece, and it's 19,000. That's pretty much the bare minimum of how strong he could be at the start, and it's well above Bardock's "almost 10,000" power level. Tullece wins.
— Coola wins pretty easily. In my book he starts at around 5 million in power level while Slug topped out at 1-2 million.

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I concur with Kamiccolo9, on both his points. A) Please don't post unnecessarily large images, and B) Ultraman is essentially Superman, and thus likewise still stronger than Goku by most or all indications.

SSJ Future Trunks (first appearance) - Gauntlet. If it becomes too much for Trunks, feel free to change it to SSJ Future Trunks (Android arc).

Final Form Freeza 100% (no stamina issues)
Mecha Freeza 100% (no stamina issues)
Fifth Form Cooler
Final Form King Cold (assuming he gets the same multipliers as Freeza)
FInal Form King Cold 100% (assuming he gets the same multipliers as Freeza)

If the battles with King Cold seem too one-sided, feel free to change it to Grade 2 or Grade 3 Future Trunks.

The only one to really give Trunks a lot of trouble is Super Coola, but he can still win.

SS3 Goku (BoG) vs. Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT)

Goku goes all the way down to Super Saiyan 1, vaporizes Gotenks with a casual one-hand blast, and wonders if he overdid it.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

SS3 Goku (Beginning of GT, pre-Space Battles) vs. Base Rild

[supercat]

Well, any Metal Cooler is stronger than Super Cooler, who I have around 17/18 in strength. Cooler also OHKO'd, Kamiccolo, so I'd place the stronger ones around 16/Cell level. I don't think the actual Cooler at the end is anything special, so any of the people here could beat him. Goku and Vegeta were exhausted by that point.

I presume this would only be applicable with all movie characters having inflated battle powers correct?

How would things turn out if we assume all movie characters keep the same battle powers as the main timeline? My guess is that this would put initial Meta-Cooler on par with Android arc SSJ Goku (before getting sick).

After repairing himself, I could see him almost rivaling 17/18. At the very least, he should be able to give either one of the Androids a good fight, before eventually getting trashed.

[Lord Beerus]

SS3 Goku (Beginning of GT, pre-Space Battles) vs. Base Rild

Goku whoops Rild's ass

[Kamiccolo9]

Well, any Metal Cooler is stronger than Super Cooler, who I have around 17/18 in strength. Cooler also OHKO'd, Kamiccolo, so I'd place the stronger ones around 16/Cell level. I don't think the actual Cooler at the end is anything special, so any of the people here could beat him. Goku and Vegeta were exhausted by that point.

I presume this would only be applicable with all movie characters having inflated battle powers correct?

How would things turn out if we assume all movie characters keep the same battle powers as the main timeline? My guess is that this would put initial Meta-Cooler on par with Android arc SSJ Goku (before getting sick).

After repairing himself, I could see him almost rivaling 17/18. At the very least, he should be able to give either one of the Androids a good fight, before eventually getting trashed.

Not inflated. It's a different continuity. It's not subject to the same sequence of events as the manga/anime.

If you really want to tie it to the timeline....

Dende is god of Earth, so that means we're dealing with Kamiccolo. Kamiccolo was one-shot by Cooler, while Goku and Vegeta managed to put up a decent fight. That puts Metal Cooler in the same tier as 16 and Cell, or higher. So Goku and Vegeta would have to be, if nothing else, above 17 and 18 because they put up a fight against a guy who one-shotted somebody equally as powerful as 17.

[ZombieVito]

18 (After training for the 25th TB) vs 17

According to AT they can get stronger by training. How well does 18 do against her brother?

SSJ Vegeta (pre Majin) vs SSJ Kid Gohan.

No SSJ2 or rage boost.

[supercat]

SS3 Goku (Beginning of GT, pre-Space Battles) vs. Base Rild

SSJ3 Goku trashes Rild with relative ease.

As I've mentioned in my earlier posts pertaining to Rild, if we assume Goku was comparing Rild to Buuhan, then he would have likely mentioned how Rild is even more powerful than Majin Buu was during the time Buu absorbed Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks. Such an acknowledgement would also serve to further emphasize how Rild is so powerful that he is potentially stronger than Buu plus four other fighters.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

18 (After training for the 25th TB) vs 17

According with AT they can get stronger by training. How well does 18 do against her brother?

SSJ Vegeta (pre Majin) vs SSJ Kid Gohan.

No SSJ2 or rage boost.

-17 still wins. I doubt training for a month is going to yield noticeable gains, especially when training with Krillin.

-Vegeta still wondered if a gap existed between himself and Gohan's power, despite knowing Gohan had been slacking off for 7 years. Vegeta also had to be brought far beyond his limits, just to become "perhaps" greater than Kid Gohan. That implies a big gap between the two for me. Gohan wins handily.

[Lord Beerus]

18 (After training for the 25th TB) vs 17

According with AT they can get stronger by training. How well does 18 do against her brother?

SSJ Vegeta (pre Majin) vs SSJ Kid Gohan.

No SSJ2 or rage boost.

- I'd still give this to #17 because we don't really know how much stronger cyborgs become through training.
- Kid Gohan wins but Vegeta puts up one hell of a fight.

[supercat]

18 (After training for the 25th TB) vs 17

According to AT they can get stronger by training. How well does 18 do against her brother?

SSJ Vegeta (pre Majin) vs SSJ Kid Gohan.

No SSJ2 or rage boost.

-Hard to tell. Although the gap between their power was likely small, I doubt she could surpass her brother by much with the little amount of training she did. I do, however, believe that it is a possibility that she at least managed to catch up to him.

-This could go either way. Vegeta seemed pretty confident during this time, so that would imply he was at the very least extremely close to SSJ Gohan (Cell games). Without the rage boost at Gohan's disposal, I could see Vegeta taking this.

[LightBing]

King Kai goes against these Saiyan arc characters:

vs Gohan

vs Chaotzu

vs Yamcha

vs Krilin

vs Tien

vs Piccolo

vs Nappa

18 and 17 vs Imperfect Cell (First appearance)

[Kamiccolo9]

King Kai goes against these Saiyan arc characters:

vs Gohan

vs Chaotzu

vs Yamcha

vs Krilin

vs Tenshinhan

vs Piccolo

vs Nappa

18 and 17 vs Imperfect Cell (First appearance)

Kaio beats all of them except Piccolo and Nappa. He has a chance against Piccolo, given that he may be able to use some weaker variation of Kaio-Ken, but he flat-out said that Nappa was stronger than he was.

Or he is smart, and materializes a shoe in their lungs, and one-shots everybody. But no one will ever do that because Dragon Ball characters are dumb.

Cell loses. He was weaker than the Androids when he first appeared.

[LightBing]

King Kai goes against these Saiyan arc characters:

vs Gohan

vs Chaotzu

vs Yamcha

vs Krilin

vs Tenshinhan

vs Piccolo

vs Nappa

18 and 17 vs Imperfect Cell (First appearance)

Kaio beats all of them except Piccolo and Nappa. He has a chance against Piccolo, given that he may be able to use some weaker variation of Kaio-Ken, but he flat-out said that Nappa was stronger than he was.

Or he is smart, and materializes a shoe in their lungs, and one-shots everybody. But no one will ever do that because Dragon Ball characters are dumb.

Cell loses. He was weaker than the Androids when he first appeared.

You think Nappa would let him charge a genki dama? It's possible if Vegeta isn't there directing the fight.

Wouldn't those cloth beams work like the Dragon Balls, if the shooter isn't stronger than the target, it wouldn't work inside they're body. Makes me wonder also about Buu's candy beam. Vegetto got shot but still had control, the others characters (I might be wrong) we're all weaker and turned completely.

[Kamiccolo9]

King Kai goes against these Saiyan arc characters:

vs Gohan

vs Chaotzu

vs Yamcha

vs Krilin

vs Tenshinhan

vs Piccolo

vs Nappa

18 and 17 vs Imperfect Cell (First appearance)

Kaio beats all of them except Piccolo and Nappa. He has a chance against Piccolo, given that he may be able to use some weaker variation of Kaio-Ken, but he flat-out said that Nappa was stronger than he was.

Or he is smart, and materializes a shoe in their lungs, and one-shots everybody. But no one will ever do that because Dragon Ball characters are dumb.

Cell loses. He was weaker than the Androids when he first appeared.

You think Nappa would let him charge a genki dama? It's possible if Vegeta isn't there directing the fight.

Wouldn't those cloth beams work like the Dragon Balls, if the shooter isn't stronger than the target, it wouldn't work inside they're body. Makes me wonder also about Buu's candy beam. Vegetto got shot but still had control, the others characters (I might be wrong) we're all weaker and turned completely.

I don't think Kaio can do the Genki Dama.

The clothes beam is never mentioned to have such a limitation.

[LightBing]

I don't think Kaio can do the Genki Dama.

The clothes beam is never mentioned to have such a limitation.

In the manga, he goes out of his way to mention that he didn't master the Kaioken, since there was no mention of the Genki Dama it's safe to assume that he can do it.

Yes there's no mention of any limitation, it's just a theory.

[supercat]

King Kai goes against these Saiyan arc characters:

vs Gohan

vs Chaotzu

vs Yamcha

vs Krilin

vs Tenshinhan

vs Piccolo

vs Nappa

18 and 17 vs Imperfect Cell (First appearance)

Kaio beats all of them except Piccolo and Nappa. He has a chance against Piccolo, given that he may be able to use some weaker variation of Kaio-Ken, but he flat-out said that Nappa was stronger than he was.

Or he is smart, and materializes a shoe in their lungs, and one-shots everybody. But no one will ever do that because Dragon Ball characters are dumb.

Cell loses. He was weaker than the Androids when he first appeared.

You think Nappa would let him charge a genki dama? It's possible if Vegeta isn't there directing the fight.

Wouldn't those cloth beams work like the Dragon Balls, if the shooter isn't stronger than the target, it wouldn't work inside they're body. Makes me wonder also about Buu's candy beam. Vegetto got shot but still had control, the others characters (I might be wrong) we're all weaker and turned completely.

I always assumed that King Kai wasn't capable of using the Spirit Bomb. Either way, Nappa doesn't have the patience to let his opponent allocate time into something like that. The only way I could see that happening is if King Kai challenges Nappa to take his Spirit Bomb head-on. Knowing Nappa, he may eagerly accept the challenge and try to tank the attack like he did with Krillin's Kienzan. This is all, however, assuming King Kai can even use the Spirit Bomb.

Materialization seems to work pretty randomly, so I don't know if it is bound by the same restrictions as Buu's candy beam.

As for the vs, King Kai clears the list of Z-Fighters pretty easily with the exception of probably having a drawn out battle against Piccolo that could go either way. There's no way King Kai is taking down Nappa. He may be able to get a decent hit or two in, but ultimately he would end up getting crushed by the Saiyan.

Both Androids 17 and 18 could trash Imperfect Cell before he absorbs humans.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

SSJ3 Goku trashes Rild with relative ease.

As I've mentioned in my earlier posts pertaining to Rild, if we assume Goku was comparing Rild to Buuhan, then he would have likely mentioned how Rild is even more powerful than Majin Buu was during the time Buu absorbed Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks. Such an acknowledgement would also serve to further emphasize how Rild is so powerful that he is potentially stronger than Buu plus four other fighters.

Well, regardless of which form of Buu that General Rild is comparable to, there's still a large gap implied between Goku @ Ledgic/Luud and Goku on M2. The multipliers for SS/2/3 are also implied to be very tiny also.